Coronavirus Disease Outbreak COVID-19 #117

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

What's the point in bringing back measures when they didn't stop covid. We're what over two years down the line and it's still rife.

Why don't we just empower the NHS so we can handle the people getting very ill. If people are vulnerable and feel they want to self isolate there should be a support package for them. Otherwise everyone else should just get on with their lives.

Masks do fuck all apart from raise the fear factor. It's very easy for those that don't have a problem wearing them to say it's no big deal, but wearing them is a big deal for some of us.

 

[Piff paff puff]

I know this will fall on deaf ears but I will post it anyway.

COVID-19 Vaccine Facts

What you need to know about COVID-19 vaccines, myths and facts.

www.cdc.gov

When the news of the new vaccine broke the first person I called was my brother. He has spent his whole working life (nearly 50 years now) working for pharma companies. In the later stage of his career he worked for a company that audits pharma companies. By that I mean his company scrutinises the components of the drugs. Given that not one vaccine is 100% safe to 100% of the recipients, his advice was that it was better to risk any possibly adverse effects from the vaccine than risk getting Covid without the vaccination. As we know, Covid has killed millions around the world either directly or as a high contributing factor to the deaths of people suffering from other ailments. The virus has also caused long term effects that many are still suffering with. These are facts and are supported by people who know what they are talking about.
If the new vaccines at the time had been remotely problematic he wouldn’t have had them nor let his children have them. We are several years in now and the reason that many used for not wanting the jabs, that they had not gone through the full vetting progress, are not longer valid.
We know much more about them and the effects they have on the recipients. If there was any risk outside of the normal risks that any vaccines pose, don’t you think that they would be banned?
The notion that the original vaccines were somehow “new” is also fake news. These vaccines were already being produced and were tweaked for Covid.
When my own children were young I had long discussions with my then wife (who was a nurse) about whether our three daughters should have the MMR jabs. We decided to go ahead and were glad that we did. I feel for the people who have refused the MMR jabs for their children after reading the conspiracy theories about vaccines and the risk that they are putting their children at.

You're a sanctimonious smug prick. My previously healthy 42 year old sister in law died suddenly of a heart attack after having these jabs and nothing will convince me otherwise.

 

[OH.FFS]

You're a sanctimonious smug prick. My previously healthy 42 year old sister in law died suddenly of a heart attack after having these jabs and nothing will convince me otherwise.

I’m so sorry for your loss.

I’ll add to this my 59 year old very very healthy (he’s never been to the doctors in the whole of our marriage) husband took the vaccination to protect me. I’m housebound and very sick, and I decided my body would not withstand the vaccine and that I also felt it hadn’t gone through rigorous enough testing for me to take that risk. I’d rather take my risk with Covid, as anxious as I was about catching it. Two weeks after him after the vaccine he started to get chest pains. He was clearing out our outbuilding for renovation. So we put it down to a pulled muscle. He rested up. Then he had to go into the office to get his security pass renewed and was breathless, chest pains, and had to sit on the roadside to rest. He rang the doctor, who he’d never been to, and they made an emergency appointment with the hospital. They kept him in. He had a huge left ventricular blockage. Massive. 90% blocked. Commonly known as the widow maker (I think they said). He was very lucky. He had a double heart bypass and And returned home weeks later a very different man. We both know 100% it was the vaccine. 100%. And there are too many others we know who have had issues to convince me otherwise.

 

[Poddular]

I don't know anyone who thinks the vaccine contained micro chips .
We all have our opinions but I prefer to go by what I saw with my own eyes
and that is ;
Most people were exposed to the virus before lockdowns , during the late 2019, early 2020.
People weren't dropping like flies before the vaccines came in late 2020.
Supermarket workers and postal workers and everyone else who carried on being exposed to the " dangers" during lockdowns did not die in large numbers .
The policies put in place in care homes and health care services resulted in a lot of vulnerable people being exposed to the virus and dying unnecessarily.
Many of the policies that lasted well beyond necessary were damaging long term in many ways.
There is no proof whatsoever that the vaccines saved lives. They certainly didn't stop people catching or being ill with Covid.
Those Of us who chose not to get vaccinated did not fare any worse than the vaccinated.
There was never any emphasis on building natural immunity or boosting your own immune system, infact this was laughed at . It was ALL about the vaccines.
Many people around me of all ages had short term and long term reactions and side-effects from the vaccine. And that in itself is a red flag.

 

[Poddular]

Nah still don't get it. Testing was NEVER reliable and people STILL testing is purely a hangover of the "lack of common sense disease" that overcame a lot of the population in 2020.
If you are feeling ill then you are ill, stay home,rest and try not to infect others (especially those with weakened immune systems). End of.
There is no different treatment for different strains of cold/ flu / winter illnesses . They ALL spread easily. They can ALL cause complications to certain sections of society. And they are ALL easiĺy overcome by the rest of us.
Ridiculous.

 

[rainbowlemon]

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I don't think she was the only one.

 

[EllenDeGenerate]

I just want to say here, because I'm feeling sorry for myself, that despite being vaxxed/boosted, I got Covid at Christmas and am only now 'coming around'-. I was so sick. The last few weeks have been a blur.
Thats all. Thanks for listening.

 

[Ding]

I can't even be bothered with reading the covid headlines anymore. Not heard anything for ages but seems to be rearing its ugly head again. I know its here forever, but wish they wouldn't scare monger on the news when there's people suffering from anxiety.

 

[InkBlot]

Doesn't sound really wierd to me. Got bad tinnitus after the bad virus early 2020 and lots of people I know got tinnitus with last winters flu and also after the covid vaccines.
Cant believe people are still testing themselves .

It depends where you're based but many care staff still have to test. Where I work there's an added incentive because a COVID positive absence doesn't count towards your BFI score, so it helps your sickness record.

I have relatives who are on immune suppressing drugs, so I test before I visit them. If they get ill, they have to stop the drugs until they get better which really flares up their condition. I know I can't test for other illnesses but I do what I can not to inconvenience them as COVID can be passed on before symptoms appear.

There's lots of reasons why people still test, I find it strange that this would surprise anybody.

 

[50sGirl]

Yes, quite concerned. Hearing of an increasing number of people ill with it. Immunity from infection and/or vaccines is likely wearing off, plus new variants coming. A young relative (in their 30s) was kept in hospital overnight a few days ago because of horrible heart & breathing symptoms, turns out it's covid - they're back home & pretty ill with it.
I wouldn't want the return of heavy restrictions or lockdowns but I feel this government has buried its head in the sand about covid, disregarding the fact it was new & likely to mutate & return several times. It never 'went away'. Reintroducing masks in hospitals, gp surgeries and public transport, plus widening boosters to below age 65 might well help, but Sunak & the Tories are not interested in spending money on people's health, in any context. Covid infection itself might not be a life-threatening risk to many younger people, but long covid is becoming very concerning, especially for younger & middle-aged people.

They will never be able to order another lockdown. After the way they behaved last time, I doubt anyone would adhere to it this time anyway.
Sadly it will be something we will just have to live with, like the flu. Flu has always caused deaths and this will be the same. We don’t hear about different variants of flu each year so do we really need to know about any new variants of Covid? We know it’s not gone away but we need to live our lives without the endless reporting of every new case/variant.

 

[Lollylaylow]

I fully believe we are suffering worse because of the vaccines. My same friends over and over getting COVID again and again but sadly still thinking they are very lucky to be vaccinated as who knows how ill they would be without it.

I just cannot get my head around people still not seeing what is under their noses. WE WERE LIED TO over and over again

 

[struggs123]

It's tricky isn't it as so many workplaces have shockingly bad sick pay and allowances and so many feel forced into work when feeling crappy (either with covid or some other gross snotty illness)- so can't really blame them.

I think masks etc should still be in place in healthcare settings, even if they only make a small difference its better than nothing. Surprisingly even during covid though we could see my dad in ICU without testing (although we always did) but when he was on his deathbed in another ward we weren't allowed in without a negative test even though literally everyone on the ward had covid? Doesn't make sense! He sadly died and I miss him so much, everyday. He was healthy before his stroke and then was recovering until he caught covid, he was so careful during lockdowns etc as well and no underlying conditions bless him.

 

[dottynotty]

The main reason for lockdown was because intensive care units couldn’t cope, the initial virus was deadly - the mutant variants not so from what I’ve seen. I don’t anticipate another lockdown but if intensive care units were as bad as they were then things would have to be enforced. I work in itu and atm the only cases are few and incidental positives. (Unsure about the wards) So I’m not worried yet - lots of people are getting it and poorly but managing to ride it out without being critically ill. We may got back to mask wearing in hospitals which is fine and personally I think we should in some respects to protect those with low immunity I wouldn’t be adverse to that ,even if to give patients and relatives peace of mind - but as it stands I don’t think we will ever be in the state we were. It was a deadly virus when it started.

 

[givepeasachance]

Maybe everyone is so quick to forget, because they don't want to remember how they behaved.

This is exactly what I think. I saw the true nature of those around me revealed. Blaming the unvaccinated gave people an outlet for their unhinged rabid disgusting selfishness

 

[Warpaint]

The worst of it all was the wildly inaccurate statistics they were pumping out every day to keep us all sticking to the rules. It was like mass brainwashing. Not to mention them stood on podiums looking like numpties.

 

[ThirdWorldGlam]

As we know, Covid has killed millions around the world either directly or as a high contributing factor to the deaths of people suffering from other ailments. The virus has also caused long term effects that many are still suffering with. These are facts and are supported by people who know what they are talking about.

What a lot of people cannot grasp, is that there is a whole group of people as myself, which hold 2 different ideas at once:

• This virus is terrible and killed / injured millions AND
• The vaccines are deficient and also have killed / injured millions

It is also silly to state that all COVID vaccines are the same. We have quite a few to pick, let's say this clear.

The mRNA vaccines are a new technology from which we do not have any long term safety data. Zero. None.

The Vector based option, unfortunately, is AstraZeneca, which was eventually banned in several European countries. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n699

Finally, protein based vaccines are the safest option, from which I would have taken NovaVax, but it was virtually impossible to do so. Why was that?

If people feel comfortable vaccinating their kids with vaccines that have ZERO long term safety data, I wish them the best, will keep them in my prayers. Hopefully we're all wrong here and next generations grow strong and healthy. Is just seems a bit ignorant to point fingers towards the people that are requesting safety data for a new product that allowed pharmaceutical companies and corrupted governments to bill BILLIONS.

 

[Oohthedrama]

Jesus I forgot this thread, I haven’t read any posts so don’t know the general tone but,


Said it before I’ll say it again, we were mugs.
Still haven’t got the first vaccine

 

[underwhelmed1985]

Supposedly "experts" want people to return to no socialising indoors now.

I take it with a pinch of salt as it's just the tabloids being their usual shit-stirring selves, along with the resurgence of their obsession with printing pictures of empty shelves to try and incite panic buying but...if it does happen, will people comply?

fuck no, they can get to fuck!

 

[Baby Giraffe]

It's what used to be known as "hypochondria".

It’s not that at all, I know several fit and healthy people who since having covid have really struggled with quite simple physical tasks they could have done easily before. They weren’t very ill with actual covid but the post viral infection has meant they’ve gone from running half marathons to getting breathless going upstairs and needing to go to bed when they get in from work. I appreciate it’s not a new thing as post viral infections have been around forever but the numbers of people with it are far increased. Obviously there will be people who exaggerate things but that doesn’t mean it’s made up.

 

[Ensay]

It's what used to be known as "hypochondria".

Some people who have long covid have physical scarring on their lungs, so it's hardly hypochondria.

But it's easy to be heartless when you're not affected by something.