Clementine Ford

[Michy02]

I honestly feel like Clementine's take on marriage is based on a) her own partnership falling apart and b) WAAYYY too much time spent reading mums groups complaints about their shit husbands. Everyone knows horror stories about men who literally never change a nappy, can't be left alone with their own children, and complain their wives aren't earning any money while they run the entire household. Those women are in borderline (and sometimes outright) abusive situations and they do need help. But no one goes online to sing the praises of the partner who takes on night wakes, daycare drop offs, uses his parental leave and actually loves his wife! It just feels like the most sensationalised, black and white take.
I actually agree with so many criticisms of marriage and to be honest I don't know if I would do it again - I was young, what can I say. But I also really believe in trying to make a long term relationship work, which you can't do by calling ultimatums and slamming doors as you leave.

I do agree because my experience of early motherhood was your first example (all that shitty behaviour) but it took me socialising with my mum group friends and seeing how their husbands parented and handled things that really opened up my eyes. 2 of the dads were so hands on and caring and I was like woah I want this too for myself (and my baby) or I want to be single.

 

[leeeeleeee]

Not to WK but I wonder how she can win here. Any mention of Palestine (even prior to recent events) labelled as performative. If she didn’t mention it at all she’s be equally called out. I wonder what she would have to do to be seen as genuine. I suspect there’s nothing for some. For me I take her views as someone who is informed and has been engaged with the issue for a long time, which is more than a lot of people commenting.

 

[Amyzep]

I totally forgot I was following her, but then this post popped up on my feed earlier and there’s simply no words. I wasn’t expecting the image, I feel absolutely disgusted and distraught at what’s happening in Gaza but I wish I hadn’t seen this. There was no trigger warning and in the comments it’s so horrible to see people being targeted by her and her minions for asking for there to be warnings in future.

I think she believes she’s helping but honestly, this is so misguided and so disrespectful for her to share the image of the child and make everything about her! :/

I'm exactly the same. I really appreciated her posts about equality in relationships and women providing free labour etc because it resonated with me. Over time I started scrolling past her hate-filled posts and not even watching her stories. Then this awful post randomly appeared on my screen while my daughter was sitting on the couch beside me. I have no words. How dare she. I have never unfollowed someone so quick.

 

[snarklife]

 

[jalnxx]

Posting a child's mutilated, dead body to her grid has firmly put me offside with Clem. I can fully appreciate the atrocities of war. I have heard plenty of stories from my Nanna and pop before they passed. Pop served in WW2 and nan and her family fled Germany during the lead up to WW2. I did not ever need to see what she posted. What is happening is absolutely awful, all war is. I just don't see how her posting that child like that is helping anyone except potentially causing trauma or triggering other people who were just trying to scroll their social media.View attachment 2751953

I totally forgot I was following her, but then this post popped up on my feed earlier and there’s simply no words. I wasn’t expecting the image, I feel absolutely disgusted and distraught at what’s happening in Gaza but I wish I hadn’t seen this. There was no trigger warning and in the comments it’s so horrible to see people being targeted by her and her minions for asking for there to be warnings in future.

I think she believes she’s helping but honestly, this is so misguided and so disrespectful for her to share the image of the child and make everything about her! :/

 

[frenchiefern]

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I'm not sure if anyone is following Nurse Merowyn on Insta but she has posted some great stories which are obviously directed to Clem but she makes some great points and articulates them well. What Clem is doing is just not okay in any way, it could actually be making things worse for Palestine people and that makes me feel sick

I know Merowyn. She’s a legend.

Clem has lost the plot. She needs to put her phone down and take herself out of this.

 

[Squelch]

This might be why. This is the first time I've seen huge drops in her followers. She's driving away her own supporters now.

 

[atome74]

The doxxing and coming after anyone who you think is against Palestine has surely gone too far. Clem is obsessed and this cannot be good for her, her son or anyone around at this point, what good is she actually doing?

I am actually finding this whole development with the chat leaks to be horrendous. I am so opposed to this war and do believe it's genocide, but I just cannot see how demonising Jewish people in Australia is meaningful action, as though if you persecute enough of them, they'll call up their family in Israel to call off the war. As if that psychopath Netanyahu gives a shit. It reeks of Lauren Dubois' "follow the money" post about the Lowy's, which has of course ended up on the whatsapp.

It's also so hypocritical. Clem is obviously seething that they've contacted her publisher, but has decided to play an eye for an eye.

Ruby Hamad had a story in which she also called out the doxxing and noted that it would be Arab Australians who would ultimately pay the price for this action, and I think she's right. Clementine will tantrum until she's blue in the face and never admit she's put a foot wrong.

 

[Mickybrowneyes]

Weird. was this in her stories or posts? She seems to target select people and rail road them but is allowed to carry on however she wants. I saw something about her mocking a public marriage proposal at a young womans graduation ceremony but didnt know about this one.

Hmmm not sure about this…
Asking your partner to marry you at THEIR graduation ceremony makes me feel a little gross…

 

[blahblahboring]

I 100% agreed with her stance on this. Guy proposed to a woman at HER graduation. Not cool.

Hmmm not sure about this…
Asking your partner to marry you at THEIR graduation ceremony makes me feel a little gross…

 

[gooridoori]

Yes, I have and I kind of agree. I think we’re in the midst of a scary time where people don’t understand there are no good guys here. I’ve seen people saying Hamas are heroes. Life isn’t a Disney movie, there is evil on both sides here

Yes there are good guys. Palestinian civilians are innocent and i am tired of reading people like Mia frame this as a war.

 

[Sure…Media!]

Stay chaotic… or use a tool which may help… or just give it a few more cycles and ye olde peri peri will kick in to stuff you up.

If you can write a book or attend speaking engagements you can also organise your life… or invest in some Napisan and throw caution to the wind… or buy period undies.

The other little trick I use; every time I get angry at a man I think I’m about due. When I get LIVID with them I know I’m right on. They weaponise our cycles against us. Just check your socials analytics. When you get an extra spike of vitriol you know you’re ready to go. 🩸

 

[Michy02]

Ok so Clem has clarified she’s #freepalestine

Personally I found this post by Saint Hoax (see her page for the rest) to make a lot of sense to me. Don’t want to get into any debate just showing an example of someone’s post condemning ALL acts of violence.

 

[loveinfluenzas]

The doxxing and coming after anyone who you think is against Palestine has surely gone too far. Clem is obsessed and this cannot be good for her, her son or anyone around at this point, what good is she actually doing?

 

[robbolife]

You're just as bad as CF. Hope it makes you feel better hating Jewish people so much.

Calling out Zionism isn’t Jewish hating. Conflating the violent and racist political ideology that is Zionism with the peaceful religion of Judaism. Now that’s antisemitic.

 

[savefloss]

I feel sorry for the next generation of women who take in every word she says like a bible. I know a handful of super feminist women my age who never settled for any man, claim to have super high standards, are extremely obsessed with their own persona and what everyone thinks of them and their opinions. Very much like Clem- they also worship her and have similar aesthetics- the tats, piercings, super vintage-indie type tattoos, trawl the streets of Fitzroy, Brunswick etc… any way my point is this. The way they acted was “cool” and fun in their 20’s, was getting a bit unusual in their 30’s and now they have just hit 40 or are about to. They’ve never had a long term partner because no one is good enough, and now, unless they somehow come up with $$$$ for ivf they will never have children. I can sense in some of them a certain regret. But they are so egotistical they could never “go back” on their beliefs or attitudes towards men so they will be forever alone. I feel sad for them, but I don’t believe you can fully “be against” the heteronormative lifestyle and spend your life bagging it out and acting as though you are better than it if you’ve never even come close to experiencing it. I guess Clem had her “blip” in which she partnered up and had her child, so she won’t suffer bitter loneliness in the same way as these women and at least she got to experience being a mother. Anyway the point of my rant is I think it’s sad that naive and impressionable young women won’t get to enjoy the joy life can bring with love and children because they were so influenced by folk like Clem that they truly believe you can’t be feminist and have a relationship with a man!

 

[gooridoori]

So are Israeli civilians.

Yes and thankfully they are not being slaughtered by the thousands

 

[Michy02]

Are you First Nations?

I’m not First Nations but everyone is given the opportunity to vote so we ALL make the decision collectively. It’s mandatory and we don’t have a choice unless we want to get a fine. Personally I’m looking at all of the information from the government and watching videos and reading information from both sides. Clem has every right to share information and if you like her or not she will do so as it’s everyone’s right.
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We are voting because we HAVE to not because we want to be involved in these decisions.

Are you a First Nations person on land that is yours but has been stolen and now everyone votes to decide if you get a say on First Nations things/other things? Cause if you're not you don't get to tell First Nations people how they should feel or vote. We don't need every white influencer having a say. Anyway last I'll say on this, it's freaking exhausting and people just need to listen more and stop telling First Nations people how they should feel. It's so freaking dangerous and brings up so much for us.

i get what you are saying but there are no winners here. If she shares her opinion she get slammed by people and if she doesn’t share she then also gets slammed We can’t be ignorant to the fact that we are in this position that we have to vote. Personally I hate that it’s brought out so many racists and feel it’s taken out country back years. Hoping for a Yes outcome.

 

[Sure…Media!]

I’m not quite sure where she lives, but clearly a bit more inner Melbourne than me. There are literally people in my neighbourhood who have fled very recent war. What’s the ‘mansplain’ term for middle aged white women who became woke to world events yesterday and lack the lived experience?

 

[Michy02]

Safe to say that any credibility she did have is long gone. She's clearly mentally unwell and just completely unhinged. People are allowed to be devastated about more than one thing at the same time. People are also allowed to not post something on SM about a tragedy - generally this does nothing anyway! People are also allowed to actively disengage from trauma and traumatic events for whatever reason. She's an idiot thinking she can write all the rules and say when and what people should be posting/outraged about.

Also I don’t want to post images of dead children, children with burnt off limbs or children with stitches all over their faces and that’s ok! I’m not go into be pressured or feel guilty by Clem Ford (or anyone else) The photos she’s shared have been so triggering and never with a warning because those went out the window ages ago.