she is a bully who has stolen from and screwed over Black, Brown and FN women over the years how quickly some people forget!
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EXACTLY! She is truly a piece of tit.
Thank you Clem Ford for giving us permission to go to our friends weddings 
however if I go around asking my friends if they have plans for if/when the marriage doesn’t work out I’m not sure I’ll have many friends left. If you don’t agree with marriage honestly just don’t go to the wedding.
I’m not sure what kind of friends she has but this isn’t appropriate or any of my business! (If a friend was in a DV situation or in trouble of course I’ll do what I can to help)
however if I go around asking my friends if they have plans for if/when the marriage doesn’t work out I’m not sure I’ll have many friends left. If you don’t agree with marriage honestly just don’t go to the wedding. I’m not sure what kind of friends she has but this isn’t appropriate or any of my business! (If a friend was in a DV situation or in trouble of course I’ll do what I can to help)
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I cannot believe she said the bit at the end.. she could have left it without that but no wonder she is losing friends, don't freaking tell people what to doThank you Clem Ford for giving us permission to go to our friends weddings
I’m not sure what kind of friends she has but this isn’t appropriate or any of my business! (If a friend was in a DV situation or in trouble of course I’ll do what I can to help)View attachment 2575988
Imagine if your single friend kept having conversations about your marriage. It’s just so weird. Some people are in happy marriages and happy relationships and they don’t want to be alone. They want to live with the father/mother of their children or just their life partner.I cannot believe she said the bit at the end.. she could have left it without that but no wonder she is losing friends, don't freaking tell people what to do
This really rubs me the wrong way- planning and executing a wedding is SO MUCH WORK, not to mention expense- I truly believe most people getting married these days are doing it because they’ve thought long and hard about it and really want to make it happen. Personally I adore weddings and the only ones I’ve ever been to are for couples who I imagine will be together forever- but even if they aren’t, they are all brilliant people who wouldn’t ever cause harm to each other. This isn’t 40+ years ago where society dictated that unmarried couples shouldn’t be living together or having kids etc etc.Thank you Clem Ford for giving us permission to go to our friends weddings
I’m not sure what kind of friends she has but this isn’t appropriate or any of my business! (If a friend was in a DV situation or in trouble of course I’ll do what I can to help)View attachment 2575988
OMG this is so bleeping patronising! Also, does she not see that the same argument applies to anyone in any kind of long term relationship? Heaps of my friends aren't married and won't be but imagine the response if I said "yeah but before you signed that lease together did you think about what would happen if you grow as people"Thank you Clem Ford for giving us permission to go to our friends weddings
I’m not sure what kind of friends she has but this isn’t appropriate or any of my business! (If a friend was in a DV situation or in trouble of course I’ll do what I can to help)
My thoughts exactly. These days I really don't see that's there's a difference between a long term partnership and marriage...except a piece of paper. Is she against anyone being in a relationship? That's kinda how it's starting to seem..
What a weird unit she is. I’m not married. I’m in a long term relationship of 15 years, kids and a mortgage. Being de facto isn’t any safe / financially stable / sain for me. I guarantee if Clem came up and asked me if I’d planned for if it didn’t all work out like to know what her idea of a getaway plan was. I guarantee she wouldn’t have thought about what I’ve discussed and actioned in my relationship.Thank you Clem Ford for giving us permission to go to our friends weddings
I’m not sure what kind of friends she has but this isn’t appropriate or any of my business! (If a friend was in a DV situation or in trouble of course I’ll do what I can to help)View attachment 2575988
Marriage in Australia is (for the most part) voluntarily entered in to. “For better or for worse” actually forewarns you that by 3 years in his chewing becomes frikken annoying, you’ll blame his mother for the 30 years before you met him and we all wonder why he falls asleep rather than chat post coitally.
There are so many religious, social and cultural reasons to get married. Any wedding I’ve been to I’ve genuinely been happy for the couple. If I wasn’t sincere, I’d have no right to be in the circle of invitees.
Feminism isn’t about opting out of life. It’s about the equity and equality. Then succeeding in what you do. Also respecting that you are a Venn diagram with your significant other… and all the satellite people. I wouldn’t go up to an immigrant and ask them why all their stuff is important to them and they should just be Aussie.
I feel sorry for the next generation of women who take in every word she says like a bible. I know a handful of super feminist women my age who never settled for any man, claim to have super high standards, are extremely obsessed with their own persona and what everyone thinks of them and their opinions. Very much like Clem- they also worship her and have similar aesthetics- the tats, piercings, super vintage-indie type tattoos, trawl the streets of Fitzroy, Brunswick etc… any way my point is this. The way they acted was “cool” and fun in their 20’s, was getting a bit unusual in their 30’s and now they have just hit 40 or are about to. They’ve never had a long term partner because no one is good enough, and now, unless they somehow come up with $$$$ for ivf they will never have children. I can sense in some of them a certain regret. But they are so egotistical they could never “go back” on their beliefs or attitudes towards men so they will be forever alone. I feel sad for them, but I don’t believe you can fully “be against” the heteronormative lifestyle and spend your life bagging it out and acting as though you are better than it if you’ve never even come close to experiencing it. I guess Clem had her “blip” in which she partnered up and had her child, so she won’t suffer bitter loneliness in the same way as these women and at least she got to experience being a mother. Anyway the point of my rant is I think it’s sad that naive and impressionable young women won’t get to enjoy the joy life can bring with love and children because they were so influenced by folk like Clem that they truly believe you can’t be feminist and have a relationship with a man!
I feel like in my regular social circle most of us do really appreciate Clem’s work and have read all her books except this one (both the men as well as the women), also most of us do have tattoos and piercings and have lived in Brunswick at one point or another, and are mostly childfree by choice while being in either hetero or same sex long term relationships. Some are married, some are planning to be, some don’t care. I’m sure a couple of us will have a child down the track. I can’t see any of us reading the new book because it just doesn’t apply to us, we are lucky to have healthy happy relationships where we are completely equal with our partners. I don’t think her influence is that extreme, there are many other feminist writers that we also learn from.
I do wonder what her next issue will be to focus on, as I think a lot of her regular audience won’t really identify with this one at all.
Clem purports to be all about supporting other women / not competing etc but I wonder how she’s feeling about Hannah Ferguson of cheek media having her book out in the same proximity. They’re not at all about the same topics but my sense is Hannah has a very broad appeal and would certainly pull the younger demographic.
This morning I listened to Clem being interviewed by Yumi Stynes on her podcast Ladies, We Need To Talk regarding the new book. It was an interesting interview and Clem sounded quite moderate and sensible in most of what she said- though I still firmly believe her target audience are NOT the people who would really get much out of what she had to say. The part that might interest you all is that she mentioned that she recently attended her cousin’s wedding and said she was still happy for her and really likes the man she was marrying. Just thought this was an interesting tidbit to hear that she is still happily attending some weddings so my assumption that she didn’t want to/didn’t feel she could attend Amy’s wedding is most likely wrong!!
She was on The Briefing podcast with Antoinette Latouf on Saturday and I thought the was a good interview
Careful the pitchforks will come out because you're not snarking
The juxtaposition of how she comes across in these interviews compared to her current erratic and aggressive presence on social media is very interesting to me. I really do wonder what her publisher and management make of it.
I'm not one of those fans of hers that worship everything she says and have not liked it when she has attacked women she doesn't know or doesn't know their stories just based on the fact that they're getting married.Careful the pitchforks will come out because you're not snarking
But as a single woman in her 40's I'm sick of society's impression that it's so easy to find a partner if you just tried, or assuming that a woman over a certain age has children or telling you that you'd be happier or having a better life if you just had someone, or the trope of the crazy lonely cat lady that men in media try to place you in.
But yes, she can be problematic took agree but I'll let myself out and leave this thread to the people who want to snark
I'm with you - I agree with Clem on this one, women are fed this narrative that we need to get married, and have children else we will live a miserable life. And if no man "chooses us" then there must be something wrong with us.
I don't agree with a lot of what she does, but the premise of this book, that women deserve more, that women deserve more than just being someone's wife, I am 100% on board with.
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Are you going to buy her book? I’d be interested to see if she talks about motherhood in it.
So true
she could have summed up her argument in an article not an entire book. I think she thinks her views on marriage are new and revolutionary.
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