Children with allergies / gastro problems / asthma

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Spin off from the Ashley James thread but open to anyone who wants to share and get or give help with these challenges ❤

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So sorry I totally missed this. You okay?
I wanted to ask something that’s quite sensitive then delete it but I’ll just ask it in a different way. I’ll just reword it.

If a 3 year old won’t take their treatment and you can’t convince them with any nice measures, would you insist if they were in extreme pain? I don't mean physically force, it wouldn't be possible, but use 'if you don't you cant have...' or 'you'll end up in hospital' or whatever scary, threatening type of language until they concede.
My thought is no, it’s damaging/traumatising. Someone else argues they're too young to make the decision, it's medical, they wouldn't consent to an injection either but it has to be done, in their best interest no matter what it takes.
What do you think?
 
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I wanted to ask something that’s quite sensitive then delete it but I’ll just ask it in a different way. I’ll just reword it.

If a 3 year old won’t take their treatment and you can’t convince them with any nice measures, would you insist if they were in extreme pain? I don't mean physically force, it wouldn't be possible, but use 'if you don't you cant have...' or 'you'll end up in hospital' or whatever scary, threatening type of language until they concede.
My thought is no, it’s damaging/traumatising. Someone else argues they're too young to make the decision, it's medical, they wouldn't consent to an injection either but it has to be done, in their best interest no matter what it takes.
Yes. Absolutely. But honestly a bit like tooth brushing sometimes you have to literally hold them firm and do it.

I don’t know if the idea of hospital is right because it may instil a fear as it’s seen as a ‘bad thing to avoid’ so just in case of future appointments I probably wouldn’t use that one.
And I don’t know at 3 if there’s the understanding to really know that x will feel better if you do y.

But I bribe. Whatever will work. Done it recently as started inhalers and I bribed with Haribo! Before that comics.

Trying not to say some words to protect your LO’s privacy… is it an oral medication / solution that needs to be taken, or a ‘different route’?
 
Yes. Absolutely. But honestly a bit like tooth brushing sometimes you have to literally hold them firm and do it.

I don’t know if the idea of hospital is right because it may I still a fear as it’s seen as a ‘bad thing to avoid’ so just in case of future appointments I probably wouldn’t use that one.

But I bribe. Whatever will work. Done it recently as started inhalers and I bribed with Haribo!

Trying not to say some words to protect your LO’s privacy… is it an oral medication / solution that needs to be taken?
Yes actually, I should say we try not to make hospital scary, but to say you’ll get really sick and have to go to hospital but mummy won’t be able to stay with you, which would scare them. We’ve tried bribing with toys, food treats which goes against me trying to avoid making food an issue, days out etc but sometimes they won’t budge. Positive reward and praise doesn’t do it.
I know threatening not to see people, to be put in a room alone or a ‘mummy’s disappointed’, would probably work but emotional blackmail seems so wrong.
 
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Yes actually, I should say we try not to make hospital scary, but to say you’ll get really sick and have to go to hospital but mummy won’t be able to stay with you, which would scare them. We’ve tried bribing with toys, food treats which goes against me trying to avoid making food an issue, days out etc but sometimes they won’t budge. Positive reward and praise doesn’t do it.
I know threatening not to see people, to be put in a room alone or a ‘mummy’s disappointed’, would probably work but emotional blackmail seems so wrong.
It is SO hard to find that balance. The way I see it, if it has to be done for their wellbeing (which it does) then it’s necessary medical care.
It’s awful to feel like you’re casing them pain or discomfort or worry but flip it - if you DON’T do it, they will still have pain and discomfort and worry.

In this situation I honestly think just do it, quick as possible, loads of reassurance and a simple ‘this is going to make x better so mummy has to do it. I’m sorry, I know you don’t like this, we’ll do it super quick’ or along those lines.

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Also I haven’t had to do this sort of medical treatment but wonder if you could try when asleep…?
 
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It is SO hard to find that balance. The way I see it, if it has to be done for their wellbeing (which it does) then it’s necessary medical care.
It’s awful to feel like you’re casing them pain or discomfort or worry but flip it - if you DON’T do it, they will still have pain and discomfort and worry.

In this situation I honestly think just do it, quick as possible, loads of reassurance and a simple ‘this is going to make x better so mummy has to do it. I’m sorry, I know you don’t like this, we’ll do it super quick’ or along those lines.

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Also I haven’t had to do this sort of medical treatment but wonder if you could try when asleep…?
Thank you, it’s so true that it’s probably equally as bad to leave them in pain, either way they’re suffering.
It’s so frustrating when they refuse because they do understand it’ll help but they can’t grasp a few moments of discomfort will save them from hours of it.

In the past they’ve consented to the more invasive stuff because they get desperate so maybe that’s just perseverance with reason and kindness. (I don’t think being asleep would work but have considered it).
And if I resort to being harsh to get them to take the oral treatment but it works, we might not get to the stage that I’m uncomfortable with anyway.

Other mums are crying over vaccinations, I’m all “tough, they need it”, I restrained LO for blood test and don’t rush in if they fall. But when it comes to me being responsible (they want me not OH), I’m desperate not to get it wrong. My mum and OH are old school so it’s good to hear from someone I know is mindful that children have rights but can be pragmatic. Thank you x
 
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Other mums are crying over vaccinations, I’m all “tough, they need it”, I restrained LO for blood test and don’t rush in if they fall. But when it comes to me being responsible (they want me not OH), I’m desperate not to get it wrong. My mum and OH are old school so it’s good to hear from someone I know is mindful that children have rights but can be pragmatic. Thank you x
You aren’t getting it wrong. You are thinking about your LO’s body autonomy and trying not to cause more upset while trying to provide necessary care.

The intention is what makes the difference, in situations like this. In the intention to heal, or hurt? Absolutely to heal x
 
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Has anyone’s LO ever had a planned hospital admission to “help” as they are running out of options at this point?
 
Has anyone’s LO ever had a planned hospital admission to “help” as they are running out of options at this point?
We haven’t, managed to clear impaction at home but honestly I’d have taken any option by that point although I think it would have felt a big thing. How do you feel about it?
 
We haven’t, managed to clear impaction at home but honestly I’d have taken any option by that point although I think it would have felt a big thing. How do you feel about it?
Consultant thinks we are nearly at that stage as movicol and the like has been completely refused for a long time (to the point of them refusing to even drink plain water etc). We are now at the stage where water intake is fine so don’t want to risk it again, plus they have always been a medicine refuser (even hates Calpol etc) but we are managing to achieve a small dose of Sodium Picosulfate daily and have done so for almost 6 months now. Which is a huge huge breakthrough.

Still not achieving movement anywhere near daily, so they think we might need to start over from scratch and a hospital admission would help as they can get the play specialists, psychologists etc involved too due to the knock on effects. It’s clearly a chronic issue that has now had a psychological impact and is causing them to also withhold due to being scared of the pain/medicine etc.

Consultant is very aware of my particular situation (3rd trimester with twins) so thinking hospital admission sooner rather than later would be a good idea. I desperately want to get on top of it and help them (especially as due to start school in Sept) but feels so extreme and I know they will be absolutely terrified x
 
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Consultant thinks we are nearly at that stage as movicol and the like has been completely refused for a long time (to the point of them refusing to even drink plain water etc). We are now at the stage where water intake is fine so don’t want to risk it again, plus they have always been a medicine refuser (even hates Calpol etc) but we are managing to achieve a small dose of Sodium Picosulfate daily and have done so for almost 6 months now. Which is a huge huge breakthrough.

Still not achieving movement anywhere near daily, so they think we might need to start over from scratch and a hospital admission would help as they can get the play specialists, psychologists etc involved too due to the knock on effects. It’s clearly a chronic issue that has now had a psychological impact and is causing them to also withhold due to being scared of the pain/medicine etc.

Consultant is very aware of my particular situation (3rd trimester with twins) so thinking hospital admission sooner rather than later would be a good idea. I desperately want to get on top of it and help them (especially as due to start school in Sept) but feels so extreme and I know they will be absolutely terrified x
It’s so hard trying to know what to do. What the ‘right’ thing is.

Play specialists are amazing, they make such a difference. But it’s still a lot.

Do you know the plan if you did go ahead? Eg little by little or one big initial action to clear and then maintenance (if that makes sense!)

It’s really good that the consultant is being proactive. Do you think they would be making the same suggestion if you weren’t pregnant? That might help the decision, if you know it’s what would be recommended anyway.
 
It’s so hard trying to know what to do. What the ‘right’ thing is.

Play specialists are amazing, they make such a difference. But it’s still a lot.

Do you know the plan if you did go ahead? Eg little by little or one big initial action to clear and then maintenance (if that makes sense!)

It’s really good that the consultant is being proactive. Do you think they would be making the same suggestion if you weren’t pregnant? That might help the decision, if you know it’s what would be recommended anyway.
will find out more info Monday as she wants to discuss with a colleague but sounds as though it would entail a couple of days in hospital including tubes etc. She said she thinks we are already at the point where a hospital admission would be the next stage (within the next few months) however due to my particular situation she thinks maybe rushing it through so it can be done before the babies arrive would be the best idea.
 
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We've just been referred to Paeds Gastro for ongoing constipation.. praying it doesn't take too long.
What I really want is just to know if my daughter is impacted or not... ultrasound says no but then they followed up with 'ultrasound isn't reliable for poo' so who knows.
She goes fairly regularly but has constant tummy aches so they are saying to just keep pushing movicol and lactulose.
I hate poo. The last 18 months I have never obsessed over poo so much :ROFLMAO:
 
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will find out more info Monday as she wants to discuss with a colleague but sounds as though it would entail a couple of days in hospital including tubes etc. She said she thinks we are already at the point where a hospital admission would be the next stage (within the next few months) however due to my particular situation she thinks maybe rushing it through so it can be done before the babies arrive would be the best idea.
We’re doing of home disimpaction. 4 sachets today (adult movicol). They are not a total refuser but getting any liquids in is hard. So far OJ, lemonade or smoothies have disguised it but 4!? We’re getting a lot of distress, tummy pain, disturbed sleep. Trying to give them cuddles on the floor while on the potty, they uncharacteristically want carrying and cuddling, at 29 weeks preg it’s not easy, let alone with twins! Plus I hate being the baddie, especially when hormonal and we’ve got all the new baby coming emotional conflict & I just want to protect them from everything.
I totally appreciate the distress your LO will feel from an admission but it’ll probably be distressing either way. If I had the option, given your additional challenges, I think I’d take it.
 
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We've just been referred to Paeds Gastro for ongoing constipation.. praying it doesn't take too long.
What I really want is just to know if my daughter is impacted or not... ultrasound says no but then they followed up with 'ultrasound isn't reliable for poo' so who knows.
She goes fairly regularly but has constant tummy aches so they are saying to just keep pushing movicol and lactulose.
I hate poo. The last 18 months I have never obsessed over poo so much :ROFLMAO:
If she is going regularly-ish it could still be overflow. That’s what happened here. He was clearly in pain, hiding to try and withhold, tummy hard. We had explosive poo which is what I knew was overflow, and he told me (he was 2) “my poo is sad because it can’t come out” 😔

Managed to get into a brilliant GP who agreed when I said I’m sure it’s impaction. He also did an exam and found a fissure so prescribed a numbing cream - that helped loads with the fear and stoped so much withholding.

He was already on daily laxido but had been on 4 sachets a day for the week prior. When we saw that GP he increased to 6 for two days, then 8 for two days with an instruction to go back if it hadn’t helped.
Then 8 until I was sure it was cleared, then 6 for a few days and a gradual step down.

Our GP confirmed impaction by feeling abdomen. I think we were lucky that he was happy to be bold and push ahead with treatment to be honest. Next step would have been hospital.

The change came after that when I removed gluten from my LO’s diet. He got SO bloated after bread and pasta. Since then he has never ever struggled with his bowels again. It’s finding the trigger combined with the right treatment for the blockage, I think. We were lucky to see a wonderful paeds gastro who really validated it all for me.
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We’re doing of home disimpaction. 4 sachets today (adult movicol). They are not a total refuser but getting any liquids in is hard. So far OJ, lemonade or smoothies have disguised it but 4!? We’re getting a lot of distress, tummy pain, disturbed sleep. Trying to give them cuddles on the floor while on the potty, they uncharacteristically want carrying and cuddling, at 29 weeks preg it’s not easy, let alone with twins! Plus I hate being the baddie, especially when hormonal and we’ve got all the new baby coming emotional conflict & I just want to protect them from everything.
I totally appreciate the distress your LO will feel from an admission but it’ll probably be distressing either way. If I had the option, given your additional challenges, I think I’d take it.
Mine can’t have dairy so I used the chocolate Oatly a lot to hide it in!
 
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We’re doing of home disimpaction. 4 sachets today (adult movicol). They are not a total refuser but getting any liquids in is hard. So far OJ, lemonade or smoothies have disguised it but 4!? We’re getting a lot of distress, tummy pain, disturbed sleep. Trying to give them cuddles on the floor while on the potty, they uncharacteristically want carrying and cuddling, at 29 weeks preg it’s not easy, let alone with twins! Plus I hate being the baddie, especially when hormonal and we’ve got all the new baby coming emotional conflict & I just want to protect them from everything.
I totally appreciate the distress your LO will feel from an admission but it’ll probably be distressing either way. If I had the option, given your additional challenges, I think I’d take it.
4! My god you are wonder woman. It’s challenging enough getting 1.5ml of medicine in mine! They won’t drink squash, juice, fizzy, anything! Only water and soya milk 😬 it’s great you’re managing to disguise it and of course you want to do as much as you possibly can to help your LO, but the at home disimpaction and maintenance really does feel like a huge commitment and big ask for everyone involved, doesn’t it?!

We’ve also got the huge distress and pain/upset and knock on effect of disturbed sleep, up and down appetite and behaviour. It’s really is making them miserable and it’s so upsetting to see. I just hate the thought of how traumatic a hospital admission could be, but it feels like we’ve tried everything and I am just so so desperate for a resolution now.
 
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4! My god you are wonder woman. It’s challenging enough getting 1.5ml of medicine in mine! They won’t drink squash, juice, fizzy, anything! Only water and soya milk 😬 it’s great you’re managing to disguise it and of course you want to do as much as you possibly can to help your LO, but the at home disimpaction and maintenance really does feel like a huge commitment and big ask for everyone involved, doesn’t it?!

We’ve also got the huge distress and pain/upset and knock on effect of disturbed sleep, up and down appetite and behaviour. It’s really is making them miserable and it’s so upsetting to see. I just hate the thought of how traumatic a hospital admission could be, but it feels like we’ve tried everything and I am just so so desperate for a resolution now.
There’s so much distress tied up in this kind of thing. We had bloods done at hospital, he remembers that but he also remembers the game he was allowed to play on the iPad with the play specialist. Sometimes, as parents, we have to (try to) trust the professionals to do the right thing. Because in the end, it will be for the best x
 
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