Chardonnay James

[chattycatty]

That really doesn’t make any bleeping sense to me. How can rules apply to one and not the other? I don’t have children but if I did, an education would be a main priority for them. Why do these travelers not get an education?

I think they don’t like how influenced they get at high school and being teenagers and mixing with non travellers i could be wrong

 

[AngelBabes]

I couldnt agree more but I think the authorities often tiptoe around traveller communities for fear of being labelled prejudice or something.

I’m still baffled, what is the difference between non traveler communities and traveler communities when it comes to being schooled and having an education? There is nothing prejudice about children or adults going to school, surely this is just normal and a part of life? Sorry, I’m not having a go at you, I’m venting my thoughts and it’s frustrating as to why should a non traveler child have to be educated (which is the best thing possible) and a non traveler child can go without an education when we all live in the same country. It’s selfish to deprive any British / English citizen of an education in the UK when we are blessed to have free education.

 

[nicalibres]

I could be wrong so any travellers feel free to correct me but I don’t think they place the same value on mainstream education as wider society. Like, not being able to spell just wouldn’t be something they’d think was an issue. Plus concerns about outside influences which could have wider implications on traveller culture as a whole. I’m speaking in general obviously, not all travellers are the same. I worked with one who finished school and was super intelligent but her main goal in life was to get married and have kids. I think they just have different values and cultural norms which ultimately as non-travellers, we might not agree with or understand.

 

[AngelBabes]

I could be wrong so any travellers feel free to correct me but I don’t think they place the same value on mainstream education as wider society. Like, not being able to spell just wouldn’t be something they’d think was an issue. Plus concerns about outside influences which could have wider implications on traveller culture as a whole. I’m speaking in general obviously, not all travellers are the same. I worked with one who finished school and was super intelligent but her main goal in life was to get married and have kids. I think they just have different values and cultural norms which ultimately as non-travellers, we might not agree with or understand.

You wouldn’t think that we’re living in the 21st century,

 

[laynelo_]

Yeah traveller families don’t like their kids mixing with non-traveller people (aka country people or gorjas) so they remove them from school usually before high school as we are seen as a bad influence, especially for girls. By that age the boys are usually working with their dads and uncles and girls are helping their mums with cleaning/cooking/childcare.

Obviously there’s some exceptions and there are loads of travellers that have friendships/marry out their community but generally speaking they are strict in that they don’t want their kids mingling with regular people. Some wealthier travellers do get their kids a tutor for their senior schooling. If they do get any qualifications it’s usually within trades. On the whole though, given the fact that most of the jobs done by the males are labour and women aren’t expected to work, education really isn’t a priority. Hence the poor spelling that is rampant among them.

They are very traditional in that they are to only be married to one person in their life with majority of them are very staunch Catholics (and will only leave the home when they are married), so obviously sex outside is very much forbidden alongside divorce and if a woman is getting cheated on she’s just expected to get on with it, even more so if she has kids with him. The boys usually have a lot more freedom than the girls, who are seen as sneakier and less truthful than boys unfortunately.

 

[pommynoir]

You wouldn’t think that we’re living in the 21st century,

I think the great thing about living in the 21st century is the freedom to choose how to live your life

I don’t disagree with the way they live theirs but I do think that if they wanted an education they should be allowed to pursue one and I’m not sure that’s always the case.

 

[AngelBabes]

Yeah traveller families don’t like their kids mixing with non-traveller people (aka country people or gorjas) so they remove them from school usually before high school as we are seen as a bad influence, especially for girls. By that age the boys are usually working with their dads and uncles and girls are helping their mums with cleaning/cooking/childcare.

Obviously there’s some exceptions and there are loads of travellers that have friendships/marry out their community but generally speaking they are strict in that they don’t want their kids mingling with regular people. Some wealthier travellers do get their kids a tutor for their senior schooling. If they do get any qualifications it’s usually within trades. On the whole though, given the fact that most of the jobs done by the males are labour and women aren’t expected to work, education really isn’t a priority. Hence the poor spelling that is rampant among them.

They are very traditional in that they are to only be married to one person in their life with majority of them are very staunch Catholics (and will only leave the home when they are married), so obviously sex outside is very much forbidden alongside divorce and if a woman is getting cheated on she’s just expected to get on with it, even more so if she has kids with him. The boys usually have a lot more freedom than the girls, who are seen as sneakier and less truthful than boys unfortunately.

What a tragic life to live in this day and age.

 

[nichew]

@nichew where is ‘are’ invitation beaut? @pommynoir why oh bleeping why has your beautiful name just RUNG A BELL to me? Are you Jo Malone’s Pomegranate Noir? I wore that perfume on my wedding day nearly 10 years ago. I still wear it now, I love, love, love it! If you are indeed Pomegranate Noir, have you tried ‘The Noir 29’ fragrance by Le Labo? Mr. AngelBabes has ‘Bergamote 22’ also from Le Labo, it smells absolutely amazing!

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I know beaut we could of worn out finest travel lodge head gear and had our septic toe on display in our lovley primark sliders and we could end the night by shitting in a bush after calling the bride a wick of a basterd before escaping out of a upstairs window beut

 

[AngelBabes]

I know beaut we could of worn out finest travel lodge head gear and had our septic toe on display in our lovley primark sliders and we could end the night by shitting in a bush after calling the bride a wick of a basterd before escaping out of a upstairs window beut

I need to go awaaaay beaut. Let Julia’s theme commence. xx

 

[nichew]

Yeah traveller families don’t like their kids mixing with non-traveller people (aka country people or gorjas) so they remove them from school usually before high school as we are seen as a bad influence, especially for girls. By that age the boys are usually working with their dads and uncles and girls are helping their mums with cleaning/cooking/childcare.

Obviously there’s some exceptions and there are loads of travellers that have friendships/marry out their community but generally speaking they are strict in that they don’t want their kids mingling with regular people. Some wealthier travellers do get their kids a tutor for their senior schooling. If they do get any qualifications it’s usually within trades. On the whole though, given the fact that most of the jobs done by the males are labour and women aren’t expected to work, education really isn’t a priority. Hence the poor spelling that is rampant among them.

They are very traditional in that they are to only be married to one person in their life with majority of them are very staunch Catholics (and will only leave the home when they are married), so obviously sex outside is very much forbidden alongside divorce and if a woman is getting cheated on she’s just expected to get on with it, even more so if she has kids with him. The boys usually have a lot more freedom than the girls, who are seen as sneakier and less truthful than boys unfortunately.

If you find Tom Hartley sr page he’s put a video on of his son Tom jr when he was 12 I think it was for news round or blue Peter!
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I need to go awaaaay beaut. Let Julia’s theme commence. xx

Let’s just inhale a egg for old times sake
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[Longgtimelurker]

How about ‘beying?’ There should be some kind of law that children should be educated until they’re 16 and choose to do what they want afterwards. This is proof that an education is needed. One word that totally pisses me off is ‘gawguss.’

It pisses me off when they call everything ‘handsome’

 

[laynelo_]

It’s sad from our POV but it’s the only life they’ve ever known and will ever know. Anything that deviates from that for them is seen as sinful/bad so it’s just not worth engaging in with them anyway.

 

[AngelBabes]

It pisses me off when they call everything ‘handsome’

It makes me want to put hot pokers in my eyes!

 

[Zaggerzoo]

One of my friends at high school was a traveller, she joined in year 10 and just didn’t have a clue bless her. Was bottom class for everything but was really much lower than that, had lots of support to try help her but what was more concerning was her lack of common sense, no sense of danger etc. She went missing multiple times with random men that she fell in love with, if a stranger told her they had puppies in their van or whatever she 100% would go with them like a little child. Absolutely stunning girl with such a pure kind heart, she got pregnant at 16 and left school a few months before we all finished and is now 25 with 5 beautiful children which are her world but it’s all so strange yet interesting to me with travellers.

 

[mgexo]

I have yet to come across a traveller who has broken their ‘norms’. I’ve never met someone that went on to get a degree or get a ‘proper’ job outside the trades. I’m not speaking for all obviously but I haven’t seen it myself. I know some people have different values, it’s just interesting to me. Surely not EVERY single person born into the like has that outlook in life?. Personally I’ve always wanted to be a mum from a very young age and would love to stay home from work and look after my children (judge me if you want) so I do understand it’s just surprising I havent met a traveller who has gone on to do something different with their life. Have you guys?

 

[JRH2022]

I have yet to come across a traveller who has broken their ‘norms’. I’ve never met someone that went on to get a degree or get a ‘proper’ job outside the trades. I’m not speaking for all obviously but I haven’t seen it myself. I know some people have different values, it’s just interesting to me. Surely not EVERY single person born into the like has that outlook in life?. Personally I’ve always wanted to be a mum from a very young age and would love to stay home from work and look after my children (judge me if you want) so I do understand it’s just surprising I havent met a traveller who has gone on to do something different with their life. Have you guys?

I know some of them run online businesses e.g. chardonnays which maybe they wouldn’t have done in the past but as far as hearing about them going to uni I haven’t heard about it either and it probably would be frowned upon as they’d have to stay in school until 18 and move out before marriage.

 

[higos827]

Crystal smith is one that broke ‘norms’ shes in higher education and her partners a non traveller, she runs a page for travellers with mental health etc her parents are supportive but she gets a lot of hate from travellers saying she isnt one…. Despite living in a caravan before etc shes super sweet

 

[mgexo]

Crystal smith is one that broke ‘norms’ shes in higher education and her partners a non traveller, she runs a page for travellers with mental health etc her parents are supportive but she gets a lot of hate from travellers saying she isnt one…. Despite living in a caravan before etc shes super sweet

Oh really! what’s her ig please?

 

[AngelBabes]

Crystal smith is one that broke ‘norms’ shes in higher education and her partners a non traveller, she runs a page for travellers with mental health etc her parents are supportive but she gets a lot of hate from travellers saying she isnt one…. Despite living in a caravan before etc shes super sweet

When you read the name briefly and you think you’re reading ‘Crystal Meth!’

 

[pommynoir]

I have yet to come across a traveller who has broken their ‘norms’. I’ve never met someone that went on to get a degree or get a ‘proper’ job outside the trades. I’m not speaking for all obviously but I haven’t seen it myself. I know some people have different values, it’s just interesting to me. Surely not EVERY single person born into the like has that outlook in life?. Personally I’ve always wanted to be a mum from a very young age and would love to stay home from work and look after my children (judge me if you want) so I do understand it’s just surprising I havent met a traveller who has gone on to do something different with their life. Have you guys?

I’m Irish so maybe it’s different, but Hughie Maughan from BB, he’s a gay traveller he’s spoken a lot about his experiences being gay and a traveller, I think he was shunned originally but he has a relationship with his immediate family.

Laura Collins is an British / Irish traveller and women’s rights activist , her mother is too.

Eileen Flynn is an Irish traveller politician and the first traveller to serve in Oireachtas

ive focused on women and a gay man as they are the ones most likely to have less freedom, but did you also know Shayne Wards parents are Irish travellers, and Sean Connerys grand parents!