As someone who is close to Caroline’s family, please don’t lie. Caroline needed urgent medical attention - her wrists were cut to the muscle - more than just first aid. There was not much more than a half hour difference between her being pronounced dead and it hitting the news, so I’d be surprised if you knew before. And she was not ‘off her face on it’, they were both drugs tested and she came back clear. They had both been drinking a lot.
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to be fair we could all say that we are close to Caroline’s family
Yes, but it wouldn’t be true for everyone. I don’t have anything to prove to anyone here, I just don’t like to see lies spread that she was on drugs that night, when she wasn’t.
You claimed I lied about knowing about the suicide before it hit the news and her receiving first aid lol, not just that. I posted texts earlier and everyone kicked off about confidentiality - the post was reported and deleted (same for the following comments) but at least I can prove it’s all true
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I'd be careful putting that on here. I know it's an anonymous site etc but you could be getting your friend (or whoever they are to you) in a lot of trouble by disclosing information like that. Even though Caroline has since died, confidentiality still stands. Plus with the way her mum has been going after reporters etc then she may see this post and try to get more information in one way or another.
I said I’d be surprised if you did know before the press - not saying you’re necessarily lying about that. She received more than first aid and had to go to hospital for her injuries. He had the scratch on his head wiped with an antiseptic wipe. Not downplaying his injuries, but they were not comparable.
But he still had an injury. Which she inflicted on him. Caroline’s mum saying her injuries were worse is not comparable- she assaulted him, and then injured herself (badly by the sounds of it ) afterward.
Imagine if a man punched a woman, which might not result in any visible injury, and then self harmed to the same extent. It doesn’t absolve him of assault.
I wonder if she's seen it. Would that be allowed?
Exactly. All of the injuries on both of them were caused by Caroline. Trying to absolve her of any responsibility and place the blame on the victim of her assault because she harmed herself more is wrong.
Why the hell would they have drug tested the victim of the crime? I cannot see how that could possibly have been authorised, as he was not arrested for anything.
It absolutely made sense to drug test them both in this situation.
It absolutely did not. Under what authority? The victim was not arrested for anything. I don't mean to be rude, but it seems to me that you are speaking out of your a.
Unless perhaps you are suggesting that Caroline was suspected of drugging him? I guess in that situation a victim would be drug tested. Is that what you meant? Did Caroline drug him as well as attack him?
Police would not drug test either of them as standard. Carrie might have been drug tested due to her erratic and wild behaviour (to rule out a mental health episode) but unlikely that Lewis would have been
No, he was not arrested for anything. And I don’t know why you’d think I was suggesting Caroline drugged him - absolutely no way. They had both been out drinking separately before coming together and then having this argument. He was (understandably) confused, she was having a mental health episode, for the purposes of having a full picture for the investigation, they were both asked to be drug tested and obliged.
The reason I'm asking whether she was suspected of drugging him is because it is really the only plausible reason that I can think of as to why police would be authorised to drug test a 'confused' (your words) victim of a crime, to establish whether he had been drugged as part of the crime. I'll gladly hear any other explanations as to how they were granted the authority in this case.
I don't know whether you understand this, but police can't just go around requesting drug tests of innocent people, there's a pretty strict legal framework. They'd have to explain and prove how it had a bearing on the criminal case they were investigating.
I just think it's really important to bear in mind that information coming from friends and family members of Caroline Flack can sometimes seem implausible for very good reason, and it's always good to stop and think about whether what they're saying is even possible.
I don't know whether you understand this, but police can't just go around requesting drug tests of innocent people, there's a pretty strict legal framework. They'd have to explain and prove how it had a bearing on the criminal case they were investigating.
I just think it's really important to bear in mind that information coming from friends and family members of Caroline Flack can sometimes seem implausible for very good reason, and it's always good to stop and think about whether what they're saying is even possible.
If they were asked to take a drug test that’s completely different and not implausible though.
What is implausible, is that they were at Shoreditch house until 2/3am in the morning not on drugs.
What is implausible, is that they were at Shoreditch house until 2/3am in the morning not on drugs.
The police can only ask you to take a drug test if a crime is suspected or you are a threat to public safety. They can't just ask anyone to take one. The police have to follow exceptionally strict procedures as has been said. It's not a free for all here.
Waking someone up by hitting them over the head with an object isn’t really an argument though. Are you Caroline’s mum? She down plays it as that too
Again, why would they ask the victim of a crime to take a drug test? What reason would they have to ask this of the victim? How could it possibly be plausible?