Caroline Flack #2

[banf83]

Why ring the police? He was hit once. He woke up. And could have just been like wtf. Could have calmed her down and spoken to her and sorted out the situation. This wasn't a frenzied attack....where his life was in danger? Not that we know of. Fair enough if he really thought she was going to kill him but I doubt it. We know he lied about the lamp. The blood wasn't even his. So why ring the police, she wasn't holding a knife to his throat that we know of. He was caught out cheating and turned it around on her, in my opinion. He even supposedly had said he was gonna ruin her. Then for social media he played the loving and doting boyfriend. Yes she shouldn't have hit him but I imagine she was so upset that he was cheating on her and she had a moment of madness where she's clipped him with her phone on his head and obviously because he's been asleep, it's probably a huge shock and makes it seem worse than it is?

The thing which gets me is the photo...imagine your partner has slit their wrists and you're alone in your partners house. You take a photo of your partners blood and send it to a mate/ex. That isn't normal behaviour either and if that photo hadn't got out, maybe it wouldn't have seemed half as bad for Caroline. Just my opinion and I know others will disagree

He didn’t lie about the lamp. If you had read the CPS review someone posted earlier he didn’t know what he had been hit with. He thought it was a lamp or maybe a desk fan. Remember he had been woken up by being assaulted, maybe he absolutely did in that moment think his life was in danger. It wasn’t until later it was established it was a mobile phone. He also wasn’t caught cheating as far as we know either. Reports suggest it was an 60 year old tennis client. And it shouldn’t matter either way, she attacked him, you can cookie crumble it all you want. He is the victim, she is the perpetrator. Just because it wasn’t a knife to his throat this time, doesn’t mean to say it might not be some other time. She obviously wasn’t in control of herself if she whacked him on the head with enough force to draw blood.
It’s also shitty of whoever sold the picture to the The Scum and also The Scum for publishing it. Lewis didn’t sell it to the scum. But we don’t know on what basis he sent the photo. Why is he responsible for everyone else’s shitty actions in this scenario?

 

[EatTheInfluencers24]

Why ring the police? He was hit once. He woke up. And could have just been like wtf. Could have calmed her down and spoken to her and sorted out the situation. This wasn't a frenzied attack....where his life was in danger? Not that we know of. Fair enough if he really thought she was going to kill him but I doubt it. We know he lied about the lamp. The blood wasn't even his. So why ring the police, she wasn't holding a knife to his throat that we know of. He was caught out cheating and turned it around on her, in my opinion. He even supposedly had said he was gonna ruin her. Then for social media he played the loving and doting boyfriend. Yes she shouldn't have hit him but I imagine she was so upset that he was cheating on her and she had a moment of madness where she's clipped him with her phone on his head and obviously because he's been asleep, it's probably a huge shock and makes it seem worse than it is?

The thing which gets me is the photo...imagine your partner has slit their wrists and you're alone in your partners house. You take a photo of your partners blood and send it to a mate/ex. That isn't normal behaviour either and if that photo hadn't got out, maybe it wouldn't have seemed half as bad for Caroline. Just my opinion and I know others will disagree

She still assaulted him and he has every right to phone the police. You are making out it was a spilt second of madness but for someone to then cut themselves to the point theres blood all over the bed and then when taken into custody goes batshit crazy again....that's an episode and you and I have no clue if he feared she would do him more harm.

As for the photo im pretty sure he took that so she couldn't claim he had done that to her. He was the victim in this instance but she could have swung it round and said he had done that. Im sorry but if the shoe was on my foot and my partner assaulted me then started cutting themselves im sure as hell going to document it so I dont get accused of being the instigator!

 

[ahtisyourself]

Are you a mother? I'd say 100 percent of all loving mothers still see their child as their little girl. I think the vast majority of people on here are forgetting that this is want mothers do. Mother bear instinct comes in and mothers protect their own flesh and blood. And is it to the point of delusion? Probably. Do I blame her? No. Cause if Caroline was my daughter and my best friend I'd be protecting her, no matter.

There is mothering her and then there’s infantilising her to the point where she minimised, and at points completely airbrushed Caroline’s behaviour in order to paint her as the victim. I think they should have left it at the documentary that was previously aired. It explained it all in a way that highlighted her MH struggles but didn’t look to seek blame, and you still came away sympathetic to Caroline and how her life turned out. All this documentary has done is annoy people that her mother has rewritten the past and played down abusive behaviour and proper course of action, looking to seek blame in every direction but at the person who made a decision to be violent that night.

 

[ahtisyourself]

Unfortunately the mother is not a reliable narrator. She is insistent on infantilising Caroline throughout and has airbrushed Lou Teasdale and her dad out of the whole narrative, so what else has been glossed over or airbrushed? When she started minimising throwing the phone saying she just tapped it off him to wake him up that was enough for me. She wasn’t there, how could she possibly know this? Lewis had a wound on his head and l’d imagine it would take some force from a phone to make that kind of impact. The downplaying of Caroline’s violence that night was uncomfortable to watch.

 

[GalaxyGirl70]

I really feel for Lewis that this is being dragged over the coals yet again. He's in a happy relationship, is a father and this serves no purpose other than indulging Caroline's Mum in her melancholy.

I still think she hit him with a lamp, he woke up and was terrified enough to call 999 when he's a strapping bloke who towered over her. She must have been incandescent with rage/on a drug high/drunk and he feared for his life. Brushing that under the carpet because we all need to #bekind and Caroline had MH issues? Fuck off. Abuse is NEVER acceptable in any relationship, and shame on Carolines Mum for pushing that it is.

 

[Sparkly23]

I never knew Caroline Flack but I do know some of the people in her circle with due to the work I do, and to not put too fine a point on it, it's a snakepit. A lot of drink and drugs(coke), they live and die for fame and Insta followers, genuinely think they are somehow better and superior in every way to 'civilians' (ie, non famous people) and spend their entire time when out socialising looking up stories about themselves and each other. They would sell each other out in a heartbeat for money/fame/stories in the press - this was (I think) the catastrophe of her life. They are all absolutely desperate to stay in a world where they are miserable, anxious and have no real, genuine friends. A real friend would have helped her out properly in that level of crisis (ie, pushed her to go into an institution) the press 'finding out' be dammned and/or, said 'look, mate, worse things happen at sea, and this WILL blow over' but instead they fed into her panic, because they themselves have bought into this daft notion that being toxically famous or a celeb is the be all and end all, when in reality, most people are having far nicer, happier lives than them.

 

[Harlot O'Scara]

Just read through this whole thread and some people really do have absolutely disgusting attitudes towards domestic abuse.

I can't believe there's a whole thread dedicated to DARVO on behalf of an abusive person who isn't even still alive.

Caroline's death was still a tragic waste and of course heartbreaking for her family and friends but demonising her victim and minimising her actions is disgraceful.

 

[Caitlin44]

Why ring the police? He was hit once. He woke up. And could have just been like wtf. Could have calmed her down and spoken to her and sorted out the situation. This wasn't a frenzied attack....where his life was in danger? Not that we know of. Fair enough if he really thought she was going to kill him but I doubt it. We know he lied about the lamp. The blood wasn't even his. So why ring the police, she wasn't holding a knife to his throat that we know of. He was caught out cheating and turned it around on her, in my opinion. He even supposedly had said he was gonna ruin her. Then for social media he played the loving and doting boyfriend. Yes she shouldn't have hit him but I imagine she was so upset that he was cheating on her and she had a moment of madness where she's clipped him with her phone on his head and obviously because he's been asleep, it's probably a huge shock and makes it seem worse than it is?

The thing which gets me is the photo...imagine your partner has slit their wrists and you're alone in your partners house. You take a photo of your partners blood and send it to a mate/ex. That isn't normal behaviour either and if that photo hadn't got out, maybe it wouldn't have seemed half as bad for Caroline. Just my opinion and I know others will disagree

The police body cam footage showed the attending officers had to physically restrain her. I would assume to stop her attacking Lewis or the police themselves.

You’ve obviously never been around an emotionally erratic person under the influence of alcohol (and if rumours were to be believed ). Said person has woken you up by battering you over the head then proceeded then to cut themselves again I assume with something glass as this was mentioned in the 999 call. Any normal person would be terrified regardless if they themselves are a cheat

 

[Jollyb]

Yikes Lewis has just posted this

 

[Flowerpotgirl]

Just read her brother hung himself. What a sad situation for the family!!

 

[ahtisyourself]

It’s possible to think that Lewis is potentially a bit of a douche, but that he was a victim of assault perpetrated by Caroline and he was right to call the police due to her violent behaviour, and think that it’s desperately sad that she ended her life over this all at the same time.

 

[banf83]

I haven’t watched the doc nor do I intend to. I did read today that her mum said;

In the new documentary Caroline's mum Christine is keen to ensure people realise it was a "myth" a lamp was ever involved in the altercation.

I think her mum is trying to minimise what her daughter done. Whether it was her hand, phone, lamp, desk fan is irrelevant. She still struck him when he was asleep.

Then, Caroline’s lawyer Paul Morris then takes up the story: “Caroline had found out that there were messages from a third party on the phone. She was upset. She was holding on to the phone. It was the confirmation of her worst fears, and she kept it in her hand, and with that, she's trying to wake Lewis up. “It's a firm gesture, but the phone's in the hand.

Again more minimising what she done. Whacking him over the head to the point he has an open wound is not trying to wake someone or a firm gesture imo and whether or not these were her worst fears, she shouldn’t have hit him over the head with a phone.

I think it’s time she is allowed to rest in peace. Nothing is going to change. The CPS are standing by their decision. It’s been over 5 years now. Is it sad she took her own life, absolutely, but doesn’t take away the fact she committed a crime.

 

[Boogs]

I understand how painful the situation must be for them but they are just trying to rewrite history. She lived a chaotic, impulsive, life and death. Sad yes, but she was an adult who was accountable for her actions and choices who could not handle the consequences. I think trying to suggest blame on her friends or the victim of her assault and manipulation is vile. Is Lewis a prick? Maybe. Did Lewis cheat on her? Maybe. Did Lewis want the bloody photo out there? Maybe. None of this changes the fact that he was the victim of assault and she was the perpetrator.

 

[ChastityDingle]

I haven't actually watched it but I'm gathering from reading here that the woman who actually found her body, has been airbrushed out of the story. How can anyone believe anything then that is in it? Shouldn't a documentary be factual? Sounds more like a rewrite of the story than anything else. And I know it's been said a lot but I think it bears repeating. Caroline wanted to keep her mental health struggles private. Now everything is splashed out in this programme. It seems disrespectful of her memory, at best, regardless of what her mother's intentions were.

 

[LadyWeatherwax]

As several people have experienced, it's hard to impossible to get help when the person in difficulty is screaming out for it. From what I can tell, Caroline wasn't really engaging despite having struggled for years. She'd told the police she had no history of mental health problems, was seeing someone for her 'issues with relationships', but not her general mental health and continued to drink and possibly take substances.

This is exactly what people mean when they say that (in most cases) nobody else is responsible when someone takes their own life. Depression/suicidal ideation is a horrible hole to climb out of and it's hard but ultimately, nobody but the person experiencing it can do it. All their family and friends can do is offer support, and no matter how hard they try, sometimes that's not enough.

By the way, believing that Caroline was guilty of domestic violence doesn't equate to not thinking her death was a tragedy, because it really was. I just think it's extremely unfair to blame her partner for calling the police - he did the right thing, and nobody regardless of gender should be encouraged to believe that they should hide abuse because doing otherwise might cause harm to the abuser. That's how people end up seriously hurt or dead.

 

[GrunkaLunka]

Caroline didn’t deny it though - her police statement on the night apparently shows she admitted she did it and there was no excuse for it. The prosecution also described Lewis’s injuries as significant when it was pretty much a nick on the head that didn’t need any treatment (his refusal notwithstanding). At the time, there was no evidence to suggest it was anything other than a drunken argument that had escalated out of hand. Given her mental health issues (which were apparent from the self-harm/suicide attempt that night) a caution would have been an appropriate response.

I think the ‘Not Guilty’ plea at the magistrate’s hearing was to do with the specifics and level of the charges rather than an attempt to deny any wrongdoing at all.

There's a big difference with regards to criminal charges, between not denying it and giving a clear and consistent admission of guilt. She was not willing to take responsibility for what she had done, and was blaming the victim saying he had made her do it because he was cheating. The police who took her statement were not satisfied that they had received a clear admission of guilt.
Caroline had attacked him whilst he was asleep, and therefore vulnerable. She had used a weapon, although there was confusion around what weapon she used as her victim had been asleep when the attack began.
There was an obvious head wound.
She had been assessed by the mental health services before being interviewed and was found to be fully capable of understanding her own actions. Being suicidal isn't a free ticket to break the law.
All of these things together mean that a caution was absolutely not appropriate, and explain why she was charged.

 

[RinsedHoops]

There was stories about them months before, and they were photographed arguing on a yacht in ibiza (it's on the Lewis Burton thread) so I'm guessing she was suspicious for a long time about cheating etc...so I'm only guessing. I've been in situation before where my ex would completely gaslight me and tell me I'm crazy and tell me i am insane etc when in reality I was exactly right with my intuition. Whilst I didn't hit my ex, I'm sort of emphasising with her tbh because I was so mad I felt like I could have done. If she had been mistreated for months by him, I can see why she did something so wrong broke the law by assaulting him in a moment of complete and utter turmoil.

You absolutely wouldn’t be saying this if a 40 year old famous man had awoken his 20 something girlfriend by smashing something against her head after suspecting she was cheating

 

[banf83]

Things have changed since then, sadly.

When I tried to commit suicide I was left sitting in the waiting room at A&E alone, after 4 hours of sitting there I went to the reception and said I’m leaving, they said ok and let me, no questions asked. My sis in law was waiting for me at home (my neighbour had found me and called the ambulance) and had she not been there I would defo made another attempt. No one followed up with me after. I’m on an antidepressant now which works for me and I have made huge changes in my life, still struggle at times but yeah, that was my experience.

 

[tiktokuser]

Personally I find the whole documentary to be distasteful. Caroline was unfortunately unwell and tragically the illness won in the end. The documentary will neither change that nor help anyone revisiting what happened. The poor woman should be left to rest in peace.

I can of course completely understand where her mother is coming from, but her mother needs to understand her daughter was not well and none of what happened can or should be blamed on other people, which is what comes across strongly to me in the documentary: i.e. everyone is to blame except for Caroline herself.

This documentary has, once again, initiated a witch hunt against her ex-partner and it can even be seen by some of the replies here that he is again incorrectly seen as the cause, or part of the cause, of what happened to Caroline. This is a false narrative. He was a victim.

As others have said. If the genders were reversed, the narrative would have been totally different.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

Yes I would if a female sent a pic to a friend of a boyfriend’s blood all over the bed who’d been self harming. Knowing the press interest in the case and that he didn’t want to press charges, he had no business stirring things up and sending a pic to someone.

you don’t know when he sent it.

also can we stop with the ‘he didn’t require medical treatment. He was treated at the scene by paramedics. Christine is distorting the facts.