Candice Brathwaite

[GiveMyHeadPeace]

I feel this 'revelation' about candice is simply a way to distract from MOD having been outed as a bully

Why? It’s not a new ‘revelation’. For those who are saying MoD is trying to use it as a deflection tool, I think that’s nonsense. I think CB and her fan club are using the MoD deflection argument to try and deflect themselves from the fact that CB is a liar & an ex-pimp who is trying to play the victim card as a poor sex worker who was taken advantage of rather than the one who was pulling the strings and running the business

 

[Gonefishing29]

Whichever term you use, pimp, madam, etc. Lining up clients to sleep with women and then taking a cut of the money is illegal in the uk.

Running an escort agency like Candi was doing involves being a go between clients and working girls, and for that work as a go between she will take a fee from the client.

There are several escort agencies here in central London, all doing the same thing as we speak. Call it whatever you will, label it however you want but it is what it is and nobody, not a journalist, not someone you’ve worked with, and especially not TLC can change that.

It actually isn't illegal to run an escort agency.

There are elements of sex work that are legal and illegal but what she was reported as doing, wasn't illegal.

This net could be thrown far and wide if we want to talk about those who make a profit from the fact sex sells and that vulnerable people might be involved - page 3 photographers, booking agents for young glamour models, hotel staff who turn a blind eye to the fact sex workers are using their rooms etc.

There are plenty of sex workers, women's groups etc who are passionate about making sex work safe because like it or not, there will always be people who want to buy sex. And one of the ways they make sure this happens IS by working a business model which includes ensuring girls are safe when they do it. I believe, from what I've seen from the stunning piece of journalism by jodie, is that this is what candice was doing.

The real issue as I see it, is that Candice was invited by a registered midwife to discuss her experiences of childbirth on a podcast. And to also discuss the fact that black women are more likely to die in/post childbirth and this podcast was a discussion between a black woman who developed sceptacemia after giving birth, and a midwife. The midwife had been posting racist comments about the woman anonymously on this website.

Regardless of what kind of job candice has or hasn't done in the past, she's been subjected to racist comments from MOD and this is being overlooked
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Pimping is illegal in the UK and running an escort and pimping out girls is illegal in the UK. I didn’t make the rules but that’s the law.

MOD was racist and she is disgusting for that but unfortunately it still doesn’t change the fact that what CB did was illegal.

It actually isn't illegal to run an escort agency.

There are elements of sex work that are legal and illegal but what she was reported as doing, wasn't illegal.

This net could be thrown far and wide if we want to talk about those who make a profit from the fact sex sells and that vulnerable people might be involved - page 3 photographers, booking agents for young glamour models, hotel staff who turn a blind eye to the fact sex workers are using their rooms etc.

There are plenty of sex workers, women's groups etc who are passionate about making sex work safe because like it or not, there will always be people who want to buy sex. And one of the ways they make sure this happens IS by working a business model which includes ensuring girls are safe when they do it. I believe, from what I've seen from the stunning piece of journalism by jodie, is that this is what candice was doing.

The real issue as I see it, is that Candice was invited by a registered midwife to discuss her experiences of childbirth on a podcast. And to also discuss the fact that black women are more likely to die in/post childbirth and this podcast was a discussion between a black woman who developed sceptacemia after giving birth, and a midwife. The midwife had been posting racist comments about the woman anonymously on this website.

Regardless of what kind of job candice has or hasn't done in the past, she's been subjected to racist comments from MOD and this is being overlooked

Pimping is illegal in the uk. Taking a fee from a prostitution in return for finding them work (men to have sex with in return for cash) is illegal. Call it what you want but it is pimping and it’s against the law.

 

[Mrs loizou]

OK, I'm not going to get into a discussion about how you can legally work as a sex worker or legally run an escort agency as I don't think the moderators of this site will show it.

What I will say is that, escort agencies often work very closely and in cooperation with the police to ensure the safety of sex workers. And if there was anything illegal going on then that arrangement wouldn't happen.

 

[Gonefishing29]

OK, I'm not going to get into a discussion about how you can legally work as a sex worker or legally run an escort agency as I don't think the moderators of this site will show it.

What I will say is that, escort agencies often work very closely and in cooperation with the police to ensure the safety of sex workers. And if there was anything illegal going on then that arrangement wouldn't happen.

Oh yeah of course , because all the pimps that run escort agencies are best mates with the police and they all walk side by side holding hands skipping into the sunset together, on unicorns.

I mean really!!! Listen to what your talking about. Have you ever been to central London before?

 

[Basicbasic]

Haha, I'm flattered that you think it could be CB. Unfortunately not! Just someone who has a bit more insight into the world of sex working than others on here and can probably provide a bit more insight than the average person.

My point, which seems to have been a bit overlooked, is that the role of 'pimp/madam' doesn't really exist outside of american films or tit Jodie Marsh documentaries. It's a very sensationalist and defamatory term and seems like it's being chucked about on here to distract from the real issue

Tacks for the reply candice. I think you're missing the point. It's not me who is saying you were a pimp. It's all there in the documentary and in your old cake making videos. You've certainly played this well, bravo. Unfortunately for you when you sold your pimp story to jodie you forgot it would stay around forever.

 

[Mrs loizou]

Oh yeah of course , because all the pimps that run escort agencies are best mates with the police and they all walk side by side holding hands skipping into the sunset together, on unicorns.

I mean really!!! Listen to what your talking about. Have you ever been to central London before?

I don't know if you missed my previous posts, but I explained that I have previously worked with sex workers in a public health role. I actually live in London and all my work with sex workers has been in London.

I know it's probably a bitter pill for you to swallow as all of your knowledge seemingly comes from watching one jodie Marsh documentary on TLC, but I know what I'm talking about. I'm writing from first hand, on the ground experience.

There was, and no doubt still is, a huge amount of multi agency working between public sector agencies in order to keep sex workers safe. It just doesn't sit well with people who sound like they believe everything they read in the Daily mail.

Tacks for the reply candice. I think you're missing the point. It's not me who is saying you were a pimp. It's all there in the documentary and in your old cake making videos. You've certainly played this well, bravo. Unfortunately for you when you sold your pimp story to jodie you forgot it would stay around forever.

Oh geez, are we seriously back on me being candice?
Is this what happens when someone puts across an intelligent argument which you don't have a reply to? They get accused of being the person they are talking about?

 

[Gonefishing29]

I don't know if you missed my previous posts, but I explained that I have previously worked with sex workers in a public health role. I actually live in London and all my work with sex workers has been in London.

I know it's probably a bitter pill for you to swallow as all of your knowledge seemingly comes from watching one jodie Marsh documentary on TLC, but I know what I'm talking about. I'm writing from first hand, on the ground experience.

There was, and no doubt still is, a huge amount of multi agency working between public sector agencies in order to keep sex workers safe. It just doesn't sit well with people who sound like they believe everything they read in the Daily mail.



Oh geez, are we seriously back on me being candice?
Is this what happens when someone puts across an intelligent argument which you don't have a reply to? They get accused of being the person they are talking about?

I too have some very first hand experience in this world and mine was nothing like yours.

Pimping does happen, it is a thing, it does go on, it isn’t all policed by the police. God image if it was. Candice is a big girl and made some bad choices to appear on a tv show admitting to running and escort and selling sex. Should she be punished for that forever, no defo not. But facts are facts and what she’s done has be done, nothing you, i or anyone else can say will change that. Sorry.

 

[Basicbasic]

I too have some very first hand experience in this world and mine was nothing like yours.

Pimping does happen, it is a thing, it does go on, it isn’t all policed by the police. God image if it was. Candice is a big girl and made some bad choices to appear on a tv show admitting to running and escort and selling sex. Should she be punished for that forever, no defo not. But facts are facts and what she’s done has be done, nothing you, i or anyone else can say will change that. Sorry.

But then she goes on and on about being authentic and having no more shame... yet lying about her role as a pimp. Own your truth cb, stop lying and insinuating you were exploited and poor when in fact you were raking in the money and selling women's bodies.

 

[Gonefishing29]

But then she goes on and on about being authentic and having no more shame... yet lying about her role as a pimp. Own your truth cb, stop lying and insinuating you were exploited and poor when in fact you were raking in the money and selling women's bodies.

I don’t know how she will be able to come back from it. She will protest she was on the breadline and did it to survive but the documentary tells otherwiSe and sounds like she was rolling in it. Her best bet now is to write a tell all book and turn it into a best seller.

The ad work will dry up QuickTime because she’s a huge risk to brands now. They’ll be scared to work with her in case there are more skeletons in the closest. Ex clients could resurface, videos god knows what, a lot
Of ways people could
Damage a brand she’s attached too. They’ll all be very very wary moving forward, as she hasn’t been honest at all, the trust has been broken.

 

[notcoolenoughfortheclique]

I don’t know how this is a shock to anyone or brands haven’t picked it up much sooner? I suppose she was actively lying as I first saw the jodie documentary on here months and months ago so she knew it had been resurfaced and shared but continued courting new brands

 

[Sprinkleofno]

I don't know if you missed my previous posts, but I explained that I have previously worked with sex workers in a public health role. I actually live in London and all my work with sex workers has been in London.

I know it's probably a bitter pill for you to swallow as all of your knowledge seemingly comes from watching one jodie Marsh documentary on TLC, but I know what I'm talking about. I'm writing from first hand, on the ground experience.

There was, and no doubt still is, a huge amount of multi agency working between public sector agencies in order to keep sex workers safe. It just doesn't sit well with people who sound like they believe everything they read in the Daily mail.



Oh geez, are we seriously back on me being candice?
Is this what happens when someone puts across an intelligent argument which you don't have a reply to? They get accused of being the person they are talking about?

Then why are you on a site which is berating a woman who is a pimp if you are a professional person who supports sex workers. Surely that is a massive conflict of interest?

 

[GiveMyHeadPeace]

This could apply equally as much to Candice though it was probably directed at MoD.

 

[Sprinkleofno]

I don't know if you missed my previous posts, but I explained that I have previously worked with sex workers in a public health role. I actually live in London and all my work with sex workers has been in London.

I know it's probably a bitter pill for you to swallow as all of your knowledge seemingly comes from watching one jodie Marsh documentary on TLC, but I know what I'm talking about. I'm writing from first hand, on the ground experience.

There was, and no doubt still is, a huge amount of multi agency working between public sector agencies in order to keep sex workers safe. It just doesn't sit well with people who sound like they believe everything they read in the Daily mail.



Oh geez, are we seriously back on me being candice?
Is this what happens when someone puts across an intelligent argument which you don't have a reply to? They get accused of being the person they are talking about?

Let’s face it Candice,you don’t give a flying monkeys about me, her or she. You literally would sell her soul, my soul and your soul for the ‘money green’. Your ‘business model’ is embarrassing. Education level - zero, but it’s ok because let’s sell women’s bodies and earn the green for those Gucci shoes eh?! Lick mother of daughters ass hole when it suits you. I hope selling your soul (and other women’s bodies) was worth it.

 

[Pommes]

What I will say is that, escort agencies often work very closely and in cooperation with the police to ensure the safety of sex workers. And if there was anything illegal going on then that arrangement wouldn't happen.

The NHS also provide sharps and sharp boxes, and host sharps exchange schemes, for drug users. Yet drug possession is illegal.

 

[OhhBacon]

The issue I have with this whole situation is her lying about owning her truth.
She has suggested that someone (mod) has told people about her work, and that the person who was told had been confided in by Candice. It reads as if Candice had told someone confidentially and that someone has blabbed.

From following her on insta that's what I would have thought and in light of this week I would have thought that was shady and would have backed CB.

But no the truth is she made a documentary on national TV telling everyone proudly what she did. She hasn't mentioned that on insta.
Then the second layer is she hasn't mentioned being a madam!

How can that be owning her truth, she has has shown me what a liar she really is.

 

[Dibble10]

she sounds like a knob

 

[teebag]

I think she has been given the wrong advice. Someone has told her to admit to part of it. I feel she would have been better off to come out with all of it. Young, misguided, a mistake maybe, all of those reasons would have been accepted. People are much more accepting of that. Those videos would have been out there for a while and are still available for people to watch and they contrast with the message she has put out there.

My two pence worth is this, a documentary by jodie Marsh on TLC should not be held up as a beacon of investigative journalism that holds any kind of authenticity or reflection of how the world of sex working/escorting truly works. And I say this as someone who used to work with sex workers from a public health perspective, and would regularly visit off street brothels and work with women who sold sex on the street.

The role of madam/pimp doesn't really exist.
There is a kind of business model (if you like) whereby more experienced or older sex workers would ensure younger and less experienced workers were safe and not being ripped or or putting themselves in vulnerable situations. It's not pretty or pleasant but it's the reality of sex work.

Both types of women selling sex are vulnerable in their own way and one should not be seen as more worthy of a victim status than the other. They both are.

However, this won't make for a good dialogue on a jodie Marsh documentary on a trash TV show.

I understand that Candice explained her role as a madam but to truly explain and go into the workings of selling sex takes a lot of time, and needs a non judgemental audience willing to listen and to try and understand it.

In addition, some of our best volunteers and employees within 3rd sector agencies who worked with sex workers, were themselves ex sex workers. I valued their previous experience and they could see things from a perspective I couldn't, having not sold sex myself. Some of them would probably be viewed as having previously been pimps/madams but I worked alongside them and valued them as work colleagues. And would have happily gone for after work drinks or had them over to my house.

I feel this 'revelation' about candice is simply a way to distract from MOD having been outed as a bully

I don't think it has distracted from MOD. She has a lot more followers than CB, most of whom are probably not even aware of or could care less about CB. There are lots of threads still running about MOD, I guess others are waiting to see what her next move will be.

 

[yootubesuperstar2]

The whole 'now I'm shame free' is a complete PR stunt. She said in her first story that she wasn't ashamed of what she did so what is this new-found 'freedom from truth' that she has gained? Again, it was out there, it wasn't a dark secret that someone spilt.

 

[Buddy2019]

Is there a link to the documentary available? Thanks

 

[HasnaEmilia]

So I left this, deleted straight away. So I’ve unfollowed and can move on with my life. Any recommendations on anyone to follow who’s raising racial awareness in the UK (but better) greatly appreciated