I'm not the tidiest of people either. I live in an organised mess. However there is a big difference in being untidy and being unclean.I'm not the tidiest of people but the conditions my husband and my ex both seemed to have really low cleanliness standards (especially the ex). When my dad lived on his own he did try but there were things he was oblivious to. I do think men are less observant than women .
I have seen women with poor cleanliness too.
Yes! If I don’t point it out, he won’t do it but would happily oblige if I did. Sometimes it’s quicker/easier just to do it yourself but it ends up pissing you off.This is our situation too, I've just learnt that he doesn't notice it like I do, if I do point it out he'll happily do the work, so I just let him know what my expectations are regarding what needs to be cleaned that day/weekend/whatever and we get it done, I learnt that silently seething whilst doing it myself just made me cross and got me nowhere.
Same re exes though, I kick myself for essentially becoming their mothers whilst we lived together because they were lazy sods.
These are the kind of men who are clean when they live alone but when living with a "woman" they expect her to clean after themI honestly think men who "don't see mess" are full of shit and generally just spoiled and are used to women doing everything for them, mothers then girlfriends, then wives. They don't need to bother because they know you will eventually just do it. Women make excuses for men all the time and treat them like children imo and then complain when they have do most of the housework themselves.
Agree!No, I think there are tidy men and tidy women and feral ones on both sides.
This is our situation too, I've just learnt that he doesn't notice it like I do, if I do point it out he'll happily do the work, so I just let him know what my expectations are regarding what needs to be cleaned that day/weekend/whatever and we get it done, I learnt that silently seething whilst doing it myself just made me cross and got me nowhere.Usually, yes. My husband claims he “doesn’t see the dirt” the same way that I do. I’ve told him to get an eye test. Any excuse to not have to clean, particularly the bathroom. I don’t think he’s ever cleaned it.
My ex was worse tbh.
I know a couple and they are both as bad as each other. Their house is disgusting and I'm talking dog hair everywhere (which I know can't be helped but other friends have cleaner houses with dogs), there are takeaway cartons all over the table and kitchen surfaces, mess everywhere (I have mess too but my kids mess that is easily tidied up before she goes to bed, theirs is stuff like old post, sun lotion bottles, remotes on the floor, full nappy sacks etc), they have washing up that needs to be done on every surface in the kitchen, clean and dirty washing everywhereNo, I think there are tidy men and tidy women and feral ones on both sides.