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[squacksquack]

Also slightly dubious about the oldest daughter for the same reasons. She lived in the home. I’m not sure I could have left my brothers and sisters knowing what they were going through. Her reports alone would have been enough to spark suspicion, especially with any from the wider family

I don’t think I can blame S for getting out. She’s a victim as well and trauma like that would impact your choices etc. It sounds like she has tried to tell people what went on, not sure whether it was family or the authorities.

 

[curious cookie jar]

Rubys talking absolute bullshit … lies lies and more lies
That little boy is the most gentle caring kid ever and his monster mother needs locked up for life her and Jodie are scumbags.

I can’t believe what she’s said about him im so angry

All this shit about how R was watching porn at 3 years old. How? 3 year olds can’t access porn by themselves. In my opinion it’s lies. And even if it isn’t duct taping your children up and starving them is not the way forward. Absolutely disgusting

 

[OliviaPope]

I wonder if any of her family’s feelings will change now that the full evidence has been released? I have to admit that I was utterly shocked by how bad the wounds were and then the journals were beyond anything I could’ve imagined. It does make me question how much they understood about the severity of it all and whether they will be shocked also.

What’s in the journals I bet it’s just the tip of the iceberg. What was in Rubys journals was the only stuff that they admitted too.

The abuse those kids went through they were completely incontinent and having to wear adult nappies. Shaving the girls head completely.

I thought the only reason that they plead guilty was the real truth of what the kids went through would have been worse than the journals, which were BAD! It’s like the Chris Watts case that the reality of what happened was even worse than you could imagine.

 

[account70032]

This is heartbreaking to listen to that poor child his little voice in the background and him blaming himself saying it’s his fault he’s been tied up and starved he’s clearly been so psychologically abused he was made to think he deserved to be treated like that I hope him and his little sister will get through all of this trauma and one day be able to have a happy normal life again aswell as his other siblings too and I hope all those kids get the justice they deserve

 

[CabalofBolorneaise]

The neighbour, poor man he was really struggling to comprehend what must have been happening to them. Can't begin to imagine what was going through his mind having to make a phone call like that. R was so brave asking for help.

Hopefully it means he’s not quite as brainwashed by them as feared when the police dispatch wasn’t clear whether he was afraid and had asked for police or was afraid of the police… asking for police hopefully means he knows on some level it’s Jodi and Ruby that are wrong not anything wrong with him.

Poor kid, I don’t know why but I’d assumed the neighbour was female but hearing an older male voice that upset is somehow so much more heartrending, I can’t imagine how bad R must have looked.

 

[prinnygrace]

My mum made my lunches right the way through school until I was 18 and went to uni she was making her own so she said she may as well just make another sandwich too. It didn’t mean I went to uni unable to do anything. 5 is definitely too young. Maybe ask her to put it in her bag herself after it was made but as a mother you should still be making sure she has it before leaving. No way would you let your child go without food.

 

[invisibleotter]

Not justifying it but Eve didn't forget to make her lunch. Ruby asked her if she'd made the lunch and Eve said she had made it. Ruby was under the impresssion Eve had made her lunch as that is what Eve had told her. When she asked Eve later why, Eve said she didn't want to pack her lunch.

I wouldn't have handled it that way personally. I'd have told the school to give her hot lunch and then took it out of her allowance cause imo that is a real world consequence. If I forget to make my lunch for work or college I have to buy food or starve. Eve is old enough to know if you don't bring a lunch to school you're going to be hungry, and if she didn't know it she does now. Not to mention her 5 siblings had been packing their lunches that same morning. Even if she had forgotten, all her siblings doing it while she was in the kitchen would have reminded her.

I'm not saying I agree with Ruby's parenting but she didn't starve her child for the sake of it.

The child is 5, firstly who expects a 5 year old to make their own lunch. And honestly how nutritious is a lunch made by a 5 year old going to be in the first place. The way Ruby spoke about it, it clearly wasn't the first time Eve hadn't got a lunch. Maybe the child finds it difficult & so gives up. Ruby has too high expectations of what children should be able to do.
What is wrong with Ruby (it's not as though she is busy & rushing out to work) that she can't make her little girls lunch leave it in a lunchbox on the counter & then the child only has to pack it. Personally, I think that is an adequate expectation of a 5 year old, but not to make a lunch themselves.Better yet Ruby could make it with Eve, so that she can show Eve how to do it, help with things she may find difficult, make sure it's healthy & it's a way to bond with your child while teaching them some life skills.

 

[SELdnGal]

The photos of Russell’s injury’s is horrific and I wish I hadn’t seen them but I didn’t realise what I was clicking on in the subreddit. I don’t think they would be alive today if it wasn’t for him breaking out either!

I just came here to see if anyone had seen the photos. I don't know why but I had seen so many videos talking about the evidence and they all seemed to show the photos of R with the cling film/duct tape, so I just assumed the photos were more of the same, which is horrific enough. But I wasn't at all prepared for what was in the case files. Those poor, poor children. Utterly horrifying, and they will never have anonymity because of the exposure they had on the youtube channel prior.

I cannot fathom this at all. And I feel that Kevin needs to be held accountable - ignorance is not a defence. As a parent I would absolutely not put up with the other parent withholding the children from me, and I know my husband wouldn't. It is neglectful. The interviews with him are telling in that he thought some of the discipline was justified.

Those poor, poor children. Just horrifying.

 

[account70032]

The youngest two kids R and E always had a lovely bond and even in photos over the years you can really see the bond so although the abuse they’ve been put through is so awful and heartbreaking and they’ll have so much trauma to work through , I hope in time they’ll be able to be there for each other , have a close relationship and have the lives they deserve to have because they both deserve so much happiness.

What worries me is if in the future Kevin or any of the other family members that are trying to justify what Ruby did or still keeping a relationship with her are ever around those kids because all those kids need to be far away from anyone who thinks Ruby deserves forgiveness. These kids need people supporting them and never letting them get hurt and manipulated ever again. I don’t trust Rubys parents or sisters I don’t care how much you love a family member, what Ruby did to those kids is evil and unforgivable. If they want to keep a relationship with Ruby that’s their choice but I hope those kids are kept far away from all of them. Kevin is a terrible father and I hope he’s filled with guilt and shame for the rest of his life. As for Ruby and Jodi they both should of been charged with attempted murder!

 

[invisibleotter]

Eve's not expected to make sandwiches or anything like that. She's grabbing fruit and protein bars from a drawer and putting them in her lunchbox.
I really don't think putting things in a lunchbox is a difficult task for a child of 5. She can dress herself.
If she was expecting her to cook alone and cut things with a knife then yes absolutely. She's putting things into a bag. I'm sorry but my 2 year old niece knows how to put her toys back into her toy box. Eve can manage grabbing snacks from a drawer.

When is an appropriate age for a child to pack their own in lunch in your opinion? Cause they have to learn eventually.

I'm sorry but who doesn't put a sandwich or roll in child's lunchbox, it's fills them up & when I hear the phrase make a lunch, I think of sandwiches/bagels/rolls, maybe it's due to me being from Ireland and sandwich is a staple part of lunches. I feel this isn't appropriate for children of 5 to be able to do on their own.

Also you say grab some fruit is easy, kids at 5 start to lose their teeth and I know from my kids & from volunteering with youth groups, they find biting into apples/pears difficult, so they need them to be cut up. Kids at that age also have difficulty opening bananas, so what a lot of parents do is cut the top off, so all kids have to do is peel the sides off. Kids of this age also aren't great at being able to do portion sizes, so if you expect them to be able to get some berries & grapes and put them in a container they either overfill the container try to close the lid and end up squashing the fruit & there is mess all over the place & half the fruit is inedible or they barely put any in, which means they aren't getting enough food.

As for protein bars, I personally don't feel these are appropriate for children, I feel they are for adults & should not be given to kids. I know from my kids schools, if you sent then to school with one, they would be taken & you would get a phone call from the school saying not pack one in the childs lunch in future. But our schools all have healthy eating rules,so no junk food allowed in lunches.

I feel it's appropriate for a child of 5 to pack a lunchbox in their own bag, when the lunch has been prepared for them. I think kids should start making their own lunches at about 7/8 with a bit of help & by 9 make they can be responsible for their own lunches.

 

[lip1]

^ And anyway, it's the parents responsibility and duty to hinder kids to gain access to +18 media. = Her asspulled excuse is only incriminating herself.

 

[Emmapism]

I only found out about this today but isn't it chilling the way she talks about her kids. Sorry but what 6 year old is expected to make their own lunch for school? She just sounds like she resents having kids and doesn't want to be a Mum. Glad it's all been exposed and hope the kids can heal and she's put away for a long time.

 

[bassetbumpkin]

I despise how much Ruby has played the victim. She isn‘t sorry, she’s sorry she got caught. Big difference.

 

[prinnygrace]

I saw a video where the oldest girl (don’t know names) goes to say something about her bedroom then corrects herself to say it isn’t her bedroom, it’s a room her mum kindly lets her use. How sad that they don’t even feel like that they have their own room.

 

[tinkertailorsoldierspy]

The 911 call audio is on tiktok and it’s horrible, you can hear how emotional the neighbour is about the state R is in. It does confirm R asked the neighbour to call the police though (early reports were mixed), just what a brave boy he truly was.

The neighbour, poor man he was really struggling to comprehend what must have been happening to them. Can't begin to imagine what was going through his mind having to make a phone call like that. R was so brave asking for help.

 

[boychik0830]

All this shit about how R was watching porn at 3 years old. How? 3 year olds can’t access porn by themselves. In my opinion it’s lies. And even if it isn’t duct taping your children up and starving them is not the way forward. Absolutely disgusting

She was saying that as payback for him escaping Jodi's house and calling the police on them. It would be sad if r never gets to see his siblings again all because ruby claimed he was watching porn at 3 years old. He wouldn't have access to any porn unless he was exposed to it from his siblings or his parents.

 

[OliviaPope]

I think the incontinence was in large part due to starvation, diarrhea can be a symptom of this. They are so skinny in the pictures.

I think it’s probably more to do with drinking dirty water to survive. Or the pool water, since he was being made to sleep outside at some point before he ran away the first time.

Kevin’s second interview…Jodi is a complete fruit loop!! And he was happy for his kids to be with Ruby and Jodi, he knew she was nuts.

 

[Namima]

Why would a mother leave her 3 daughters alone with her deviant 12 year old son for 5 days ??? And then the 2 older daughters leave the 10 year old daughter with him for the whole day ? Ruby's story just does not make sense. She is evil.

 

[account70032]

Those aunts/uncles are more worried about their own channels and income which is selfish. They feel annoyed that if they keep posting like they normally would that they’ll get negative comments and they don’t want to stop posting because they rely on exploiting their children to bring in the money. It’s disgusting these parents are allowed exploit their kids like this. If they’re so worried about losing money then they should go get actual jobs to provide for their children instead of making the children responsible for providing. As for the the child abuse of their nieces and nephews they obviously knew psychological abuse was taking place , don’t know if they were aware of the physical abuse but either way if they knew all that was going on I truly hope they are being honest that they did everything they could to report it. I’ve read comments from people on videos saying that even if you report psychological abuse that police most likely won’t take it seriously unless there’s enough proof or proof of physical abuse too and maybe that’s true cause there are cases when abuse has been reported but police do nothing about it until it’s too late.

I just can’t understand how these aunts/uncles all these years have been happily posting videos in their giant expensive houses and acting like everything is all good when their nieces and nephews were going thought an awful time it makes you question how hard did they try to report it. Shari said on her Instagram that the whole family have been trying to report it for years so did the police just not take it seriously until now? I don’t blame Shari at all as she’s a victim in this too and I’m happy she’s been able to build a life for herself, I just wish her siblings can have a better life now too.

As for Kevin he is to blame for a lot too he took part in the psychological abuse for years supported it and as for the physical abuse if he wasn’t living with them then fair enough he might not of been part of that but he’s their father did he just cut contact with all those kids? did he not see his kids in person or on a FaceTime call? has he been an absent father and not noticed or did he not care? there’s so many questions. Of course Ruby and Jodi are horrible people they make me feel sick and I hope all those kids get justice.

 

[Scottishfalpal1]

I hope in the summer they make both Jodi and ruby stand in the sun and leave them there
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Just watched the abc doc Russell and Eve are together