2024 US Election #2

[Yel]

I've always wondered what the value of rolling out these big names to endorse onr candidate or the other is. Looks like zero.

It was a hindrance in 2016 when Hillary went heavy on Hollywood names and that remains the same today.

Jlo, Jennifer Aniston, Cardi B, Beyonce etc would have helped more if they stayed at home.

 

[thegirlscout]

Owen Jones is upset so that’s a plus.

 

[Caledonianprincess]

Most abortions are performed in the earliest stages of pregnancy before it’s a viable baby, therefore it’s not murder. A tiny percentage are late abortions, usually because the baby is not viable and/or the mothers life is at risk, would you accept an abortion in these cases out of interest?

I had to abort my very much wanted baby at 24wks as he had a fatal heart anomaly that could not be fixed and this he was incompatible with life. He would of lived a matter of minutes had he even made it to the point of me giving birth. I shudder to think how my situation would of panned out had I had the same pregnancy in america

 

[Ultimate Lurkee]

Well where's the funding for all these children with special needs? Where's the funding for pregnant women and mothers in poverty?

No, no, no, you have to remember they only care about the UNBORN child, once they're born they don’t give a fuck

 

[veronica71]

Bit of light relief



Can I say that it is so unfair that tattle gets such a bad rep cos if more real life discussions went like todays has gone the world would be in a much better place

 

[Doc]

Well this thread is a bin fire now, isn’t it?

 

[elliebee27]

That is exactly why a lot of people didn't vote for her. Because of attitudes like that. It is rampant among Democrats I know personally. They have zero interest in others' opinions: theirs is the monolith, the only way, the truth, the light and if you don't, you are evil and worthless.

Trump is a piece of shit, true; but 'destruction and suffering'? Come on now.

It is because their politics = their identity so it is like a personal attack when someone thinks differently.

 

[bluefoot]

Ah yes, 'reproductive rights'. 'Essential healthcare'. It's great listening to fart smelling vegetarian beatniks describe the mass murder of unborn children in such euphemistic terms.

Do you understand what a ‘managed miscarriage’ is and what is happening where women are denied this? They get sepsis and die. This is apparently what God wants.

So, there’ll be lots more children but no services to look after them?

 

[kev1974]

I'm all for a Trump win purely so that Supertanski and various other unnecessarily vocal twitter twats have an absolute melt down.

 

[Gym&Tonic]

Looking at all the U.K flag shaggers on social media celebrating this and gloating when they were chucking their own toys from the pram a few months ago. If they think America is so wonderful they can always go and live there, see how wonderful it is when you have no access to universal health care and run the risk of being shot at any moment

 

[miss n thropy]

Do you understand what a ‘managed miscarriage’ and what is happening where women are denied this? They get sepsis and die. This is apparently what God wants

This is the thing for me, abortion bans don’t get rid of abortions, they get rid of safe abortions. Women will still get them and then some will die.

I don’t like the smell of farts, am a pescatarian, and happily indulge in a bit of capitalism, especially shopping. My euphemism for abortion rights is, what a person does with their own body is none of my business. As far as a an abortion is concerned, it’s between them and their medical professional. Fully pro choice though, if anyone doesn’t agree with abortion rights, that’s fine, don’t have one. It’s lovely having different opinions isn’t it? X

 

[Lady_H]

I don’t understand this. Are young children to be led to believe the only type of relationship is heterosexual? What if there’s a child in the class who has lesbian or gay parents ? Shouldn’t they feel represented ?

You don’t need to feel “represented” at 6 years old; you just need to feel safe and accepted so that you can focus on learning. Teachers can create this environment by (for example) having children bring in pictures of their families and discussing how all sorts of different families are equal, welcome and accepted.

Ideologically driven “education” such as Rainbow assemblies, pictures of “LGBTQ+ heroes”, celebrations of sexuality and concepts around gender identity are all entirely inappropriate for young children.
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Absolutely, I just get why some parents might think that 6 is too young to explain LGBTQ+, as I said, I wouldn’t care. I understand that some parents would object because they are bigots, and that isn’t going to change because of work in schools sadly, but some will just want to preserve their children’s innocence for want of a better word I suppose x

I do think it’s important to preserve innocence but apart from that, how does anyone explain Queer to a 6 year old?

 

[rageinducing]

Do you understand what murder is? It's the killing of another human being without justification or valid excuse. So when a woman has ten vodkas at an office party, sleeps with the guy in accounts, gets pregnant, decides she can't be arsed to raise the baby and decides to have it terminated... Do you see where I'm going with this? You have no argument, so never patronise me.

P.S. I know full well you're not interested in what God wants. That's pretty obvious

Your god?? Religion has no place in law. Not everyone follows the same religion or any religion for that matter. Also do you think that person who gets pregnant at the office party takes an abortion decisions lightly generally speaking, would you have a clue about their circumstances? Would you even care? Again compassion is astounding from so called pro-lifers. Your life, your choice. No business making decisions for other people’s bodies. Pro-lifers should make all men get vasectomies until they’re ready to raise children. Wonder would laws about men’s bodies be passed as easily

 

[moldwarp]

Owen Jones is in New York. And Owen Jones is upset. He's tweeted his dismay that his 'Pakistani Muslim taxi driver' voted for Trump.

Owen Jones is always at his funniest when he's upset.

 

[Smca53]

Phew, I see I missed the absolute nutcase troll.

I honestly couldn’t live in the US. The thought of someone dictating what I can do with my body in that way fills me with absolute fury. And I really do feel that fury for the women actually impacted. They’ve been in my thoughts a lot today.

I truly do wonder if certain people with such backwards views were raped and / or found themselves carrying a foetus with issues that were a threat to their own lives, what they’d do. They’re all talk. I can’t see any one of them go “well fine Sir, I’d quite like to just die instead”.

Perhaps I’m wrong, but I haven’t seen any news stories of women dying by choice after refusing to terminate a pregnancy? Perhaps they’re not so anti abortion after all. I suspect Old Whiffy wouldn’t be so keen to lie down and die a horrible preventable death if actually faced with the reality of it. But alas, such people want others to suffer for the sake of control. Sad

 

[Onetwofour]

Frankly, it was a suicide mission for Kamala Harris to attempt running so late in the election race. The DNC and democrats donors should have said in no uncertain way to Biden ages ago they won't support him for a second mandate. Primaries could have allowed to find someone having a stronger support from the vote base. But it was too late to do that in July + it would have meant that all the money campaign for Biden couldn't have been used.

 

[Yel]

I'm surprised that anyone is surprised. For ages now it's been level in the polls and every other year these underestimated the trump support.

The democrats won't learn. They didn't in 2016, or 2020 when trump only just missed out on winning by some 44000 votes. It wouldn't have taken much to beat him this year. Mamala was never up to it.

 

[moldwarp]

Some of the Democrat voter meltdowns on social media are genuinely concerning. There's a woman who's posted that she's lying on her living room floor in tears and her husband is in the kitchen screaming and banging his head off the kitchen cabinets. Their two children are crying and asking if they are safe (they are both trans-identified) and she is telling them that no, they are no longer physically safe.

So much for protecting and reassuring your children?!? Honestly with parenting like that, surely a Trump presidency is the least of their fears!
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Frankly, it was a suicide mission for Kamala Harris to attempt running so late in the election race. The DNC and democrats donors should have said in no uncertain way to Biden ages ago they won't support him for a second mandate. Primaries could have allowed to find someone having a stronger support from the vote base. But it was too late to do that in July + it would have meant that all the money campaign for Biden couldn't have been used.

I agree. That was ridiculously bad planning. There's some good Democrats like Gavin Newsom and Pete Buttigieg who I absolutely think could have won it had they been put in through a proper primary system in 2021.

I also think it's bad form for Kamala to drop out of her own election night party I appreciate she will be very disappointed and needs to strategise but I still think she should be there to thank and console her campaign staff.

 

[miss n thropy]

It's not your body. It's the body of a baby, which gets killed. 'Don't like murder? Don't have one!' Silly and repugnant, both at the same time

Most abortions are performed in the earliest stages of pregnancy before it’s a viable baby, therefore it’s not murder. A tiny percentage are late abortions, usually because the baby is not viable and/or the mothers life is at risk, would you accept an abortion in these cases out of interest?

 

[moldwarp]

It's crazy that a man who is

I think that there was an overestimation of the importance of abortion rights in the election by Democrats and the media. At the end of the day, I think the economy and immigration were the deciding factors. People, even women who are pro-choice, voted on the economy. If you're going to the shops and your money isn't stretching far enough, that's going to be more far more important than something that is unlikely to affect you personally no matter what your views on it are.

People feel that they were better off under Trump. Harris was basically the incumbent and she didn't really try to differentiate herself from Biden. She called herself the change candidate, but didn't explain what she would do differently from Biden.

The Democrats really messed up by not forcing Biden to withdraw last year. I honestly don't understand why they didn't. We could all see that Biden was declining. Did they really think he was up to another 4 or 5 years as it would have been?

They ended up being saddled with a weak candidate who was further weakened by being part of the unpopular existing administration. They really screwed up.

I agree with all of this, and I also think the results point to a longer term problem with the Democrats: ever since Clinton they've been able to count on the Black and working class vote, so they've taken that vote for granted and never bothered to pay as much attention to the wants and needs of these groups as they should have done.

It's a similar story with the UK Labour party. A thoughtless assumption that certain constituencies (working class, ethnic minorities) will always vote for them, so they end up moving too far away from what those constituencies actually want. Both Dems and Labour have made it worse by adopting identity politics at the expense of class politics and economic needs. And interestingly, both the Dems and UK Labour have seen a transformation of their membership base over the past 15 years, from mostly wokring class to mostly middle class professional. In both countries, the working class has moved to the centre right on a number of issues, and in both countries, the working classes and many ethnic minorities are utterly turned off by the etxremes of identity politics.

This is a phenomenon I'm very interested in because I'm an immigrant (and VERY proud to be a British citizen now) and my background is working class; two of my children workmanual labour. I would NEVER vote based on my gender or my ethnic background or my sexuality (became lesbian later in life that's a looooong story in itself lol). I'm much more concerned about the constant low level crime and drug activity in my neighbourhood, and that fact that my sons aren't earning much more in real terms than their father did as a car mechanic, and the hollowing out of public services, and the ridiculous cost of housing, and the lack of growth in the economy. Basically all the trends that began happening from 2001 onwards and were worsened by the financial crisis. I don't know what you do about a thing like globalisation, which massively exploits and damages the working classes, but I do know that shouting about gender or ethnic identities and expecting to get votes on that basis, is NOT the solution.

Hopefully now the Democrats will have a proper reckoning with this.