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As promised, my long post detailing my thoughts on the verdicts. I will do another post soon regarding today's sentencing and some other matters arising from the trial

The 8th of August (Tuesday) was when the first verdicts were delivered. I had come back from lunch to see through the doors that Court 7 was in session. After they had filed back out I asked a reporter who I have been on speaking terms with what had been going on and I was informed that the was going to be called back in about 45 mins, asked if they had reached any unanimous verdicts and to be directed that majority verdicts would be accepted. From that point you could almost feel the tension building amongst the Hummingbird team and my fellow members of the public who were within Court 8, so I can't even imagine what the Court 7 atmosphere was like.

When the jury foreman was asked whether they had reached any verdicts upon which they had all agreed, I was saying to myself in my head "please be the right verdicts, please be the right verdicts" and right they were, two guilty verdicts on the two insulin poisoning attempt murders. I felt a strange combination of relief and numbness after those verdicts- relief that every member of that jury had seen straight through the "Nice Lucy" facade and numbness that I had been witness to such important verdicts, but I couldn't say a word to anyone outside of court about them- this feeling of numbness was to become a familiar feeling during the period in which the reporting restrictions on the verdicts were in place. I left court that afternoon and went to watch my beloved Blackburn Rovers that evening and can recall sitting in a beer garden with my pre-match pint and thinking to myself "literally nobody else here is aware of what has happened at Manchester Crown Court this afternoon" surreal doesn't even come close.

The second set of verdicts were a bolt from the blue, as soon as the court began sitting on the 11th (Friday) and were the verdicts on four of the murder charges. I can safely say that it was the closest I had come to tears during my time attending the trial. Although I had been convinced of her guilt for some time and especially after the attempted murder convictions knew what was coming, to hear the jury return those verdicts was utterly overwhelming. I must have looked horrified and shell shocked when I quickly returned back into Court 8 in order to escape the truly awful sound of the defendants mum whaling uncontrollably, two of the detectives asked me if I was ok- I just replied that I was glad the jury had seen things how we had all seen it. Further guilty verdicts were returned last Wednesday and although the jury acquitted her of two counts of AM and failed to reach verdicts on others, I fully respect the jury's decision making- we have all made jokes about the absences and whatnot, but to undertake 22 days of deliberations after hearing nine months of evidence and only need to ask three questions to the judge was proof of their intense concentration and diligence throughout.


I would like to say thank you to the Operation Hummingbird team, many of whom I have had the honour and privilege of speaking to over the last few months- particularly the one who shook my hand and told me I was a "good man" on the Friday afternoon after the first murder convictions had been returned. Your professionalism and dedication to ensuring justice for those babies and their families has been nothing short of awe-inspiring and your decency and compassion stand in stark contrast to the vile and inhumane creature that all of your combined investigative efforts have helped to secure the conviction of. Another massive thanks of course to Nick Johnson KC and his two juniors, Phillip Astbury and Simon Driver, for their work in exposing to the jury the real, calculating and heinous nature of the defendant.

As for the babies and their families, I simply say that you will forever be in my thoughts

This case has genuinely solidified my belief that there shouldn’t be a death penalty.
Imagine knowing that at 33, with probably 50 more years of life left, you’re never ever going to be able to make a life decision…

Never going to be able to pop to the shops, or bake some biscuits. Never going to be able to go on holiday. Never going to see your friends weddings or go to your parents funerals. The list goes on.

That’s on top of the terror she will constantly feel with people wanting to get at her because of her crimes.

To me that’s a far better punishment then just killing someone. Why should they get an easy out? I think the mental anguish that you’re going to have to live that life for the majority of your life would be far worse then knowing you’re going to get a lethal injection. And good.

The thing is, anyone following closely from the beginning or understands how she came across in court knows that the narrative of sweet innocent nurse except for all the murdering she did, simply isn’t true.
- she absolutely had fallings out with other nurses there and maybe more will speak out or they’ll want to never be associated with it all ever again. Letby refers to the “not so nice things” people have been saying about her capabilities and her insistence on always being in room 1 which definitely pissed people off
-something happened with Dr B the female doc from the Gang of Four as letby said on the stand she didn’t have a good working relationship with her. I imagine this doc saw straight through her and letby didn’t like it.
- ‘at least there’s some nice people on tonight’, the faces that don’t fit, slagging absolutely anyone at any opportunity. The idea she was sweet to everyone is bollocks. Including texting snidely about parents of the babies. She would belittle people regularly.
- on more than one occasion in the case, she was overriding and being snappy when others suggested babies needed to be moved to nursery one (babies that would soon be dead). Why would a good nurse do that? Why would they ignore advice, why not reflect on their opinion? The people describe being put out by it and being shocked by her tone. Her mask slips. She wasn’t nice.
- she made herself a nuisance on a number of occasions. Had tantrums over which room she was in - shown in texts and the accounts of the shift leaders. She told them the other nurseries were boring - what nice nurse says this? The babies aren’t there for your entertainment. What made her think she was special and didn’t have to work where she was placed? That’s not something a nice or quiet person kicks off about. She thought she was special and superior. Her needs should be met at all times and when they weren’t she would take it into her own hands.
- she told off student/younger nurse for (correctly) shouting for assistance when a baby was deteriorating. They were shocked and taken aback by her attitude.
- the day after baby Ps death she is texting laughing about everyone being in chaos at work and running around and being stressed “lol” she didn’t have a caring bone in her body.
- she CONSTANTLY text and checked Facebook at work. There is no way she was a dedicated committed nurse. She either skipped that feed that NJ called her out on or she shoved it down that baby. I expect she was skipping feeds or inappropriately feeding babies at every opportunity in favour of texting and doing things she found more entertaining than “just feeding and changing babies” her words again. Vile. That means those babies are well and progressing- you’d think she’d welcome that kind of care given she’s been around 13 deaths and scores of near fatal collapses in a short space of time
- several times texts with “friends” were tense. Some calling out her utter weirdness and bitchiness and then at the other end of the scale many times people replied with “get some sleep now”(eg shut up and get the message that this is too much) “well you should get counselling if you’re just crying then, why wouldn’t you” etc. I really don’t doubt that many people found her draining, annoying and self absorbed. Jesus the way she went on about her needle prick - after two healthy babies had died, lord above. There would 100% people that saw her for the attention seeking narcissist she was. Mel Taylor I’m sure did.
- she constantly draws everything back to herself. Now maybe Dawn and Janet enjoy that in a friendship, they could be sweet and look after her. Please Lucy, tell me your traumatic birth story again so I can hug you and feel wonderful about myself. Same vibe as to why Noname got his rocks off being her saviour. Some people enjoy taking that role in a friendship. She played the victim superbly. However many noticed this behaviour. Screeching “it’s always me” and wailing on after baby I’s death shocked the trainee GP. Everyone on that unit knew baby I well and were mortified by her death, they wrote a letter to management about how hard it had been. How many times does she text people to tell them she’s crying, she’s sad and then if they point out anything about her bad luck she snips and shuts it down and gets shirty.
- that’s because she’s not getting the response she wants. She kills baby C because of this. She even says in police interview “I hadn’t gotten the response I wanted” from her friend that told her yes you’re being mean and weird demanding you should be back in room one. People serve her needs and when they don’t she is frustrated and rude. The babies don’t serve her entertainment needs then she forces them to. She was cross with baby Ms parents once their baby had survived. How could they take away her special moment? Her sympathy. Her attention. imagine being a parent in that situation and recognising the nurse is being rude to you ‍
- the nurse that believes her baby was attacked by letby (I fully believe this) said she made a FORMAL complaint over Letby’s comments to her. And you have many of the parents noticing her bad and inappropriate behaviour. She wasn’t nice and she wasn’t kind.
- call me old fashioned but nice people don’t engage in months of late night texts and meals out with married men - puke. That’s why she found these revelations excruciating. She probably desperately wanted to say the real reasons she was doing these things - because she could talk endlessly about herself and the baby deaths.
- she’s been described as quiet and awkward. She went out but left early. She did salsa and concerts but did she engage much in social situations that actually require in-depth conversation or complex social cues? No relationships. Her friends could come to drink but they couldn’t stay. Did she ever not just switch things back to herself? Alison Ventress was moving to New Zealand and yet somehow letby managed to make it about her and the distance for her parents . Did she ever have interest in her friends if it wasn’t just to support them (get off on their grief and stress) over the deaths that she repeatedly wanted to engage in conversation about even when others were tired of it.
- she even made it about herself at the triplets death, so much so it sounds like the parents felt the need to console her. It was picked up on multiple times that she enjoyed this aftermath, having to be forcibly told to leave parents to grieve, acting excited about taking the triplets photos as if it was a bounty pack, buzzing at baby Ps debrief when everyone else was distraught.
- She’s quiet, shy and awkward because she’s a shape shifter with no actual interest in anybody not because she’s a little sweetie pie. Everyone is a pawn in her game. Obsessed with real people and their raw real emotions because she has nothing inside her at all.
- how many times in court did the mask slip? Baby E&F’s mum thanked her for taking the stand and used that exact phrase the truth came out. Petulant. Snippy. Barely able to control it even with her whole life on the line. Not able to emote for the babies. Only for her room. Her life. Her cats.

“I’m a problem to everyone that knows me”

MY SON HAS JUST SAID MUM FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER.

I HONESTLY CANNOT PUT INTO WORDS JUST HOW MUCH THIS MEANS.

12 YEARS I'VE WAITED FOR THIS

Alright which one of you mad fuckers is DCI Nicola Evans?

I’m here, the last 10 days have been the strangest of my life. My heads all over I’m not intentionally ignoring, I go away tmoro night (so will miss sentencing ) and haven’t packed a single thing. I promise I’ll be back when I’m there and got head around things. She’s a psychopath- I have no doubts- I hope she suffers everyday of her life… the hurt she’s caused I’m struggling to comprehend…

First things first: LL looks like shit. Think that picture of her leaving the police station, but like she’s gained a bit of weight in her face and her face has dropped significantly. She’s got quite a posh accent IMO, not cut glass but you can tell she’s definitely not northern.

Second: She’s moody as fuck! Comes across as argumentative, dismissive. Not the nice sweet Lucy people thought she was. Apparently this is nowhere near her worst either!

There’s a lot about BNE that doesn’t come across in the reporting I’ve seen from today. He’s very clear in what he alleges - for example today when he talked about her lying in the datix saying one of the triplets IV access was lost, he then turned to her and said ‘if there was no IV access, it wouldn’t be possible for you to give an air embolus would it?’. Then when she said no, he then tied it in a neat little bow by saying that’s why she’s lied and said there was no IV access!!! The explanation is much clearer in court than it is in the reporting. BM and BNE then had a spat! He’s totally got them in hand IMO. He made a few mistakes today (which piece of evidence he wanted pulling up, that LL was looking after a baby initially but it was then given to another nurse) but did correct himself on these and apologised.

LL does get the info before she is questioned about it, and thank god she fucking loves paper because she’s got tons to look through on the stand in front of her. She comes across ridiculous in her answers - that she collects paper from various sources, that she doesn’t think Baby Q’s deterioration was very serious. BNE caught her out on the stand, she alleged she didn’t have a feeding chart but then admitted she did. There’s contradictions between what she said on the stand and her defence statement and BNE makes her read out her statement to drive it home to the jury. The ‘loopy bowel’ moment was a really impressive bit from BNE too, he got LL’s note; then pulled up Sophie’s where she’s used that wording on the other triplet the day before. It’s the same wording. Then pulled up the reg’s note with the timing, and showed it didn’t match LL’s note.

There is so much evidence, but they seem to have laid it out well. It appeared to be in a system where there’s a timeline for each and every baby, and I assume it’s laid out the same on the jurors iPads. There’s timeline of all the activity in the unit, and you can see really easily with that where LL has stopped taking obs because she was walked in on by another nurse and wanted to get herself out of the room. The police in the room with us seemed really passionate about the case, and the evidence looks like they’ve done a brilliant job.

Overall I have absolutely zero doubt. The bitch did this IMO.

Court in general has been the weirdest, heartbreaking, yet interesting time.

There were so many odd things that happened mainly to do with LL’s mum, she had a massive argument with Jan one day shouting at her in the corridor shouting ‘you just stick up for them again then’ meaning the prosecution she used to be really nice to one of the court regulars, say hi etc to him, then got him into a corner and asked if he was LL’s friend, when he said no a law student she never spoke to him again except to moan at him once. She had a go at most people in court 8 at one point or another. Don’t get me wrong it must’ve been horrific for them but it did seem odd. She took photos of the press too and collared them if she wasn’t happy with what they’d written about her. Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree and I can see where LL gets her narky side from im afraid.

In general, the police the crown prosecution etc have all been incredible, you couldn’t ask for a better team, I’m actually missing court days already. And made friends - how bizarre!

The babies families I have nothing but the hugest respect, the dignity, and strength they’ve shown is incredible. All I can say is you don’t know how strong you can be till strong is all you can be, they all seemed to lean on each other too which was lovely. It’s all for them

The verdicts jeez
I arrived about an hour after the first ones. I walked in and it just felt ‘off’ I had to be warned that anything I may hear cannot be repeated and that I’d be in contempt of court and possibly face a 2 year sentence hence why I came off here altogether. It was the strangest feeling. Happy for the right result for the insulin babies. But I was more in shock that after all that time they’d only reached 2 verdicts. We all thought it was going to be a longgggg wait. That’s why he offered them a majority verdict I think. At the same time we all thought that they’d done the hard part, they’d said someone was harming babies. They said it was her so with cross inference they should’ve followed. But nothing for 3 more days. Jammy Radnor blabbed on fb! I’ve never reported something as quick in my life, also heads up they have a social media team working 24/7 monitoring every single comment on here and fb and reddit etc etc

So Friday… I got the train with @O'lee but I needed my lunch so grabbed a sandwich and walked into court for 1pm start then he said he was going to ask for anymore verdicts my jaw must’ve been on the floor I wasn’t expecting it at all. I could barely breathe. The official said in an almost town crier voice ‘it’s been x hours and x minutes’ then asks them in order on count 1 have you reached a verdict then the Forman said yes or no, on the ones he said yes they then say on the count of the murder of Mickey Mouse do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty and they said guilty and honestly I was so tense, I realised after I was holding my hands so hard over my face I had left marks, it was relief scared, happy sad and everything inbetween there was 6 verdicts that day and they became a blur. 4 were murder 2 were attempted. After a couple of the verdicts there was this wailing crying guttural sobbing, it could be heard above everything else, I couldn’t tell who it was it was horrific, I was filling up in shock it was the most surreal horrific moment. LL left, so I knew the noise wasn’t her, the babies families left and then I realised it was LL’s mum. I left the courtroom as her mum left so I ran back in. It was awful we all split up needed some time for it to sink in and have a little moment. Apparently one of the babies parents put their fingers in their ears and walked out.
Afterwards I felt awful for them, that was their moment and instead of being about them it was all about LL’s mum. I get that she’s upset and horrified but she still has her daughter! Those poor babies families don’t!!! And they should’ve had their moment their justice…
It was horrific I don’t even have the words for how it felt like even though I went on the fence and then thought she was guilty it’s the finalness the fact like she really is a serial killer. I’ve sat and looked at this cold narky woman and she’s actually killed these babies. LL saw the first 2 lots of verdicts but then she didn’t come to any of the end of day court sessions only mornings. Judge asked BM about it he said he would find out. Then that was it the low life scum never ever came back out not even in the mornings! She hid in her cell with her comfort blankets and wouldn’t come up. The last power she had and she used it! She’s sick!
The week after there was more verdicts, I missed those first ones. On the Thursday they were asked again and gave 2 more verdicts and were asked if they thought they would be able to reach verdicts on the others and they thought ‘maybe’
Friday came and the video of her being arrested was leaked and it seemed suddenly tense and we were called in again, they were asked if they had anymore verdicts, they didn’t he asked them if given more time they could reach Verdicts and they said no, that was it… one heartbroken family ran out, that was the hardest part. All along I thought the Verdict would be a good job well done moment, but without answers for some it wasn’t… I wish they’d all got an ending, some closure, it was awful. I actually don’t understand with cross inference how they didn’t find all guilty’s if I’m honest and it felt cruel to the NG or no verdict parents. But that’s the law that’s how it works and I really do think they’ve done a thorough job.

That was it he let the jury go and thanked them and it ended. The press knew it was coming I had to get out I needed air it was horrifically sad the press were all filming already we waited around to hear what they had to say in the press conference and then we went to a cafe and talked for the first time in the open, it was hard not being able to offload even to family before then. We all pretty much felt the same glad for the right results in the guiltys but we couldn’t shake the sadness for the other families…
I went on holiday before sentencing, but cried my eyes out listening to the pod and watching the sentencing.

Even 2 weeks on I can’t get my head around it all, not sure I ever will. She seems so ‘normal’ from a distance.

I have no doubts there’ll be a part 2… it blows my mind that she actually exists, like she actually did it, like I knew she had from seeing and hearing her but actually seeing in person the true evil that she is is incomprehensible.
Taking her freedom isn’t enough. Those poor defenceless babies

Tofino said:

I don’t doubt she’s manipulative but I think you are giving her a bit too much credit with just how clever she is. Certainly no more than Allitt or Shipman. She got caught at age 25? 26? And we know it should have been at least a year earlier had the trust not just ignored the consultants. We don’t know if they were taken in by her or if there was other stuff going on and they had other motives to just ignore what she was doing. The consultants caught on pretty quick that she was the common denominator. She didn’t have them fooled.

How long do they think Shipman was committing his crimes for before getting caught?

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Phew thank god for this. Brains of Britain couldn’t fucking spell embolism. Or draw. it seems to have been a perfect storm that kept her from being uncovered fairly swiftly after the first three babies. She was manipulative for sure but I see no evidence at all of a super intellectual.

right deep breath

I am still struggling to catch up with you all! What a very strange and surreal day yesterday was. Like so many of you have felt, it’s very different to how I imagined. I cried, every interview and article made me tearful. Hid it from the kids but so grateful to have had my wonderful Mum with me, who would have fit in very well here with us and knew this was a done deal from day dot!

I felt sickened that it’s all so bloody real now. Numb. I also just wanted to be Mum. To my beautiful babes having a blast on holiday. To my darling little late June 2016 7 year old, so happy and full of beans in the pool. Eating his body weight in pizza. It’s such a glorious age. Every piece of my heart breaks knowing that those little babies should be happy children having fun right now. Not only that but it’s so senseless and horrendously cruel how they were taken. For some foul beast’s sick game. I’ve always felt this is the cruelest crime imaginable and reading/hearing some of the parents’ own words yesterday only drilled that home. I didn’t know or perhaps had let it slip my mind, that baby F was another child left with complex needs now it’s unthinkable what they’ve been through. Horrifying.

I would really appreciate not being told off for the next opinion. Please know that I say it with utmost sympathy for the jury and everything they’ve been through. They will all be changed forever, I feel desperately sorry for them.
But I am mad. Really fucking angry for the babies that didn’t get justice. Reading this

it sounds to me like this is when many jurors were distressed. There were probably many that really really wanted to return guilty on all and had understood the instruction properly (agree wholeheartedly with you @IdeletedbutI'mbackagain as usual).
I’m sorry but to accept unanimously Letby was capable of causing car crash like injuries on baby O and then NOT SEE that she was then capable to kill his brother the next day (yes only one juror but jeez!). If she could do that to a baby then she was surely capable of anything. It’s baffling and yeah I’m going to say it - I think quite frankly it’s moronic (don’t @ me please! Leave you little angry reactions if you must).
@Tofino I share your upset and frustration completely with all the hung and NG verdicts. I actually did a deep dive on baby H and wrote a long (shocker) post about it late one night but never hit send. I don’t need it explaining from a legal sense about those trickier ones, I don’t need an explanation on burden of proof or circumstantial evidence. The whole fucking point was that they inform each other. If she was capable of poisoning (yes this was intention to kill, she knows that better than anyone), of causing horrendous bleeding, of liver lacerations - the idea she did that and didn’t do others is totally idiotic imo. How could the intention to kill not be there for baby Q when we know she’s killed two babies in as many days and she had wanted to kill three. How could anybody think, that after killing so many babies by filling them with air and liquid, that she wasn’t intending to do anything other than kill that baby or wasn’t distinctly aware that her actions could easily kill baby q. She caused him a life threatening situation and walked out that fucking room. That child almost had an operation they didn’t need and has brain damage, I hate seeing baby Q’s case downplayed.

I’m relieved the pros intend to go after the hung verdicts, damn right they should. It will hurt them deeply that they didn’t get the right result on those. But to think that any of the families have to go through this AGAIN and that they can’t close this chapter- it’s haunting. Yes I’m sure there’s comfort in that she’s not getting out ever and hopefully comfort in knowing that everyone with a brain can see she hurt their babies exactly how the prosecution said she did. But to start again and go through the courts again, hear all the evidence again- it’s a total travesty. I hope the poor jurors that clearly wanted to give them justice don’t dwell on it and can feel proud of their part in securing her never seeing freedom again. To the poster that knows a family that didn’t get their justice- I don’t know if there is a way to express to them, that everybody knows what she did and everybody considers their baby just as worthy of justice as all the poor other souls. We all know the truth and the general public, with brains and hearts, wish them so much love and strength to get through the next phase of this nightmare.

The extent of the true cover up in this case is mind blowing. Awful. Whilst I’m a little frustrated that it appears that side to the story is already getting more attention than the murderous cunt, I do totally agree they need to face the proper consequences.

have to add to all the love too. Can no longer see as I type so sorry if even more incoherent than usual. I am just so grateful to have had this space with you all. For a whole host of reasons, we’ve all found ourselves captured with this awful case and desperate for justice for the families and babies. The warmth and empathy here is something to behold and feel proud of. This thread has put warm virtual arms around so many when it was needed. And the laughs- good god you are all so bloody funny. The joke has always been on her or on us. It was extremely cathartic for me to see her taken down and reduced to nothing but a sick evil joke of a creature. Especially, as @gigilouxx so accurately points out, as a narc it would totally eat her up inside and I’m grateful it winds up the little freaks that defend and excuse the beige beast. Read it and weep suckers
I have to say a little bit of special love to the OGs, the queen Toffeepops you deserve all the praise and credit in the world for your contribution, my beloved medical experts @docmum and @Haveyouanywool thank you a million times- you amaze me @OldBlondie it’s happened girl- she’s gone , @LittleMy I loved your takes and gifs even when you had to check on the thread and walk straight out again, probably because of my antics 🫣 thanks for forgiving me , @Daisydunn15 and @slingo16 thanks for accepting our differences and overcoming all the tense moments and adding greatly to the discussion. So many others @Windowtothewall you’ve analysed things spectacularly.
To all the lovely NICU mums that brought so much insight @stardust1 ohThankyou (sorry can’t remember exact @) @IdeletedbutI'mbackagain - you made me see how strong the babies really are. They had every chance in the world. I feel bettered as a person for understanding what you all went through.
@gigilouxx @Lucyxxxx @DellaC i’ve genuinely cried laughing at your posts on so many occasions. It has helped so much. You’re all incredible. @DellaC i know I speak for everyone when I say we all bloody wish we knew you in real life as warm as you are funny.
To all the lovely newbies that fit straight in and brought a breath of fresh air into the threads- too many to mention! I’m so glad @Tofino let you all in
To all the warriors, that have been going through such hard times, grief, diagnosis, stresses and upheavals - it’s all been so human and so much empathy shown. To our court reporters- thank you

We have something Letby will never ever have. The ability to relate, emote and connect. It’s what life is. The ability to feel, care and show it. There is so much more good in this world than evil and you are all proof of that.
There are so many incredible people I will have failed to mention there and sorry it’s getting a bit fucking Gwyneth at the Oscars now. Did you expect anything less than
Lastly (promise), although I am not religious at all, the churches in Italy are the most beautiful in the world and they’re very befitting for these sweet babies, I’m going to visit the most spectacular one before I leave and light candles for them.
Stay strong. I’ll keep reading and catching up as much as I can xxxx

allybongo said:

I have no interest in being tone police. Have followed the threads for months. Just thought it could be a bit more dignified rather than laughing emojis and dissing LL’s hair etc.
I’ve appreciated all the intelligent inputs and additions to these threads. Being told to fuck off because I questioned some reactions to the verdict just undermines how brilliant these threads have been.

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I've just looked at every post you've made in this thread none. I looked at how many posts you've liked. None.

You are rather active on the Jack Monroe thread so it does seem that you know how tattle works.

You chose today, of all days to grace us with your presence. A time you knew when we'd all be vulnerable and upset. Nobody here is thrilled. Far from it.

Me personally, I've spent the day in tears, my head is pounding from raised blood pressure/anxiety and I've cancelled my plans for this evening. The verdict that I desperately wanted has floored me. Fucking floored me. If I come on here and one of my buddies has posted something amusing then I'm going to jump on that....its called light relief. We all need that.

So I stick by my earlier statement. I do want you to fuck off. You have no right trying to make me or anyone else feel guilty for our camaraderie.

Cheshire Police posted this tribute

She's a fucking coward to her core. From choosing the most vulnerable victims who couldn't fight back, to not even having the balls to face her verdicts or sentencing. Fucking evil coward. She should be forced to be there.

I have been following these threads since day one but have never been brave enough to comment. I am a neonatal nurse and work on an intensive care unit, taking care of babies from 400g in weight and 22 weeks gestation. I have found this trial so difficult to follow. I look after the sickest and smallest babies and know how hard we all work for each and every baby to try and keep them safe. We all miss breaks, we stay late to do whatever we can to help them. It is undoubtedly an extremely stressful job which can be really sad, but to see the most fragile of babies grow, develop and go home after months of really difficult treatment is so wonderful and makes the job so unbelievably rewarding. The hardest part is seeing the babies struggle and seeing parents going through the worst time of their lives and trying to do whatever you can to try and make it even the slightest bit easier for them. To think that someone, anyone, would hurt these fragile babies and torture parents even more then they are already is unthinkable and sickens me so much. I wholeheartedly believe that Lucy is guilty of all counts. In neonates it is so rare for babies to have a cardiac arrest, normally a decision is made to switch to palliative care when every avenue of treatment has been tried. To think that the little ones in this case all had cardiac arrests out of the blue is unbelievable. I hope the jury comes to the right decision and puts this monster away for good.

There is no way she did this for only a year. There is more babies, more families and I hope she is tried for all of them.

From Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...d-average-nurse-who-turned-into-a-baby-killer

"Her parents, who still work for the family’s radiator business, occasionally reproached journalists in court for what they felt was unfair coverage.

Letby seemed particularly close to her father. Documents seen by the Guardian show he forcefully defended her when executives at the Countess of Chester hospital removed her from the neonatal unit in July 2016, after the death of two triplet boys.

John Letby was convinced of his daughter’s innocence and received the backing of Tony Chambers, the hospital’s chief executive, who decided that Letby should be allowed to return to the unit in January 2017. When paediatric consultants angrily complained about his decision, Letby’s father threatened to refer them to the General Medical Council. They were forced to write her a letter of apology but maintained that she should not be allowed to return to the unit."

WTAF have I just read? They let someone's DAD interfere in a performance review - what mickey mouse workplace is this?? Can you imagine your boss not being able to discipline you because your DAD threatened him. Wonder what the scapegoat crew have to say about this - who exactly was scapegoating her again..?

Now we know why she was so arrogant and thought she'd get away with it. If her dad did this at her work, what must they have done during school? I have no sympathy for her parents now, arrogant arseholes thinking they can blackmail doctors disciplining their daughter. No wonder she felt so betrayed by Dr NN - she probably thought he'd be like her dad, saving her and can't comprehend anyone actually holding her to account.

Joining late but very interested in this case.

I am an ICU Nurse, so knowing how an ICU works (adult/child/neonatal) I’m keen to understand how this all unfolded.

I did read that she was “in the second highest band”, so am I right in thinking she was a band 7? Ie. Senior Sister. Can anyone correct this please?

I have only skimmed the 1st thread, but did read some things such as “can a nurse administer insulin” “why wasn’t she being watched” etc. ICU Nurses are very autonomous, and work alone. Often 1nurse:1patient or 1nurse:2patients. But despite having our own patients, it is not uncommon (if your patient is stable) to help other Nurses out. Ie running a blood gas for someone or administering medication for someone else. So she’s either a super helpful Nurse (which if she was a band 7, she would be in charge most of the time and helping her staff) and her name is on everything she helped with and that’s the reason she’s all over everything, or she is a super devious, calculating Nurse.

In Nursing, all IV medication is double checked and in paediatrics ALL types of medication is double checked. So to inject something like insulin into a bag of medication/fluid that 2 Nurses have prepared together, would take sneaking off with it somewhere. We have cameras in our medication room and in ICU you often draw up medication at the patient’s bed space (as you live in that one bed space for the shift and never leave the patient alone), so I’m definitely intrigued by this one!

As for the Facebook thing… I will be frowned upon for this, but I have definitely looked up a patient on Facebook. Often the family tell you of a charity they have set up in the patients name/to help with rehab, or you see their story on the local news, and it is nice to have 1 quick look to see how they are getting on post their traumatic, life altering accident. But NEVER interact. Or constantly search and search. So this is something I’m also interested in.

So yeah, hi. Will be following along very closely.

Sorry if already posted….Dr Ravi Facebook post
Edit as post initially


Many of you are aware that due to the Lucy Letby trial, I have mostly been absent from social media over the last few months. My colleagues and I have lived this for the last 8 years and the period of the trial has been the most difficult part of this. I am proud of all the frontline colleagues with whom I work, for managing to carry on providing excellent care to babies and children under such pressure.

My heart goes out to the families of the babies affected by this although nothing can ever undo the evil that was inflicted on their children.

There are bad people in all walks of life and many of them are very good at hiding in plain sight. There are also people in highly paid positions of responsibility in healthcare whose job it is to ensure patient safety. I am relieved that the often-maligned criminal justice system has worked properly this time. However, there are things that need to come out about why it took several months from concerns being raised to the top brass before any action was taken to protect babies, and why from that time it then took almost a year for those highly paid senior managers to allow the police to be involved.

The truth of what happened during that time will shock you to the core as it comes out. The safety of patients should come above any risk of reputational damage and sometimes the right decisions might be difficult and unpopular, but executive level managers are paid to do just that. There are people out there now, still earning six figure sums of tax-payers money or retired with their gold-plated pensions, who need to stand up in public to explain why they did not want to listen and do the right thing, to acknowledge that their actions potentially facilitated a mass-murderer and to apologise to the families involved in all of this. However, I suspect the response will be fudge and misinformation and it is now my mission moving forwards to make sure that they are held to account.

There is a long history of whistleblowers who raise concerns in the NHS not only being ignored but then being portrayed as the problem, sometimes to the point of their careers being destroyed. What happened here was history repeating itself but the patient safety issue that was ignored was beyond anything that the NHS has tried previously to cover up. There needs to be fundamental change in the culture and governance of NHS institutions and it should start right now.

Can’t believe it. My brothers gorgeous nephew is thought to be a baby she tried to hurt as he nearly died a few days after being born after her treating him. So overwhelmed. Thank god that MURDERER is never seeing the light of day again

Gonna read through in a minute but I need to share.... I am with child...