YeahBrackie

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I absolutely despise it when celebrities show private messages between themselves and another celebrity who has just died. It's a complete breach of trust and invasion of privacy. It's also nothing to do with wanting to pay tribute to that person, and everything to do with narcissistic showing off: "look how close I was to this celebrity! Look how much they opened up to me!" It really is vile.

I can perhaps slightly understand if it's a supportive or comforting message from the celebrity who died, and it's done from a place of wanting to show how kind they were and how much they supported other people. But screenshotting personal messages like that where someone is being vulnerable? Absolute scummy thing to do.
 
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AbnormalFrog

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Why?
you think he’s more entitled to sympathy than innocent kids that have been burned to death?
says a lot about you if so.
A woman across the road from me was taken away in an ambulance a wee while ago. Her family were gathered and looking grave. I have a tremendous sympathy for them and whatever has happened.

Likewise, I have sympathy for Liam Payne's family. I shed a tear seeing his dad look at tributes to his son.

I had immense sympathy for Maggie Smith's family a few weeks ago and felt a great sadness as I liked her as an actress.

I feel sick to my stomach when I think of Gaza and despite not being religious have said many prayers to help those poor people and everyone affected by needless wars that seem to do little but take innocent lives.

I cried yesterday because my dog recently turned 11 and I'm scared if his back legs go again the vet will recommend we put him out of his pain.

Welcome to being a rounded human being. Most of us are capable of feeling sadness and sympathy for a multitude of people and scenarios. This thread is literally for discussing Liam. What on earth did you expect to find here? There's a thread to discuss the Israel/Palestine situation, why don't you go there?
 
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IllBredHen

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Maya Henry said yesterday that he would threaten suicide and was doing this recently with her.

I just want to say in her defence:

1. As a qualified DV adviser, this behaviour described here is absolutely a well known DV tactic and while it may not be in all cases and potentially not here, it really is and if you live with this don't let this case deter you from leaving or seeking help PLEASE.
2. We are all responsible for our own actions and nobody can make anybody complete suicide regardless of how they make them feel in their relationship or by rejecting them.
3. I've experienced DV as a child of a mum who experienced it and as a direct victim. My ex partner threatened suicide as part of DV control regularly. He beat me black and blue, he killed our unborn child and all along he emotionally controlled me by threatening suicide. I lost everything and was totally controlled. He did eventually die by suicide a few years later and the police told me I was lucky he didn't try to take me too as most cases they do.
This is sad beyond measure as was the loss of my KS, but please nobody blame Maya. She was a victim and believe me she'll already be blaming herself, not that she should be!
Wishing love, peace and relief to his family, Cheryl, his son Bear and Maya. These were his choices alone (suicide or accidental substance related death), please remember that when commenting on this and show them respect as they grieve. They aren't to blame.
 
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lje88

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I see this earlier on Twitter or whatever it’s called these days and thought it was lovely..


Dorothea Hackman (Euston Food Bank director) via Camden New Journal:

“Liam Payne was the kindest, most sensitive young man I have ever met over an incredibly long period of time.”

“He got in touch out of the blue and offered help. We desperately needed the money at the time. We were dealing with a massive increase in demand – because of lockdown people were desperate for food.”

“He got in touch and asked what we did and what we needed. We told him about our work and he said, ‘Right, I’m giving you £80,000.”

“He came down to the food bank and really got involved, really rolled his sleeves up. He carried crates, packed boxes and bags, he visited us, supported us and was always charming”

“We are all incredibly upset and sad to hear the news. He really got it. He really understood his social obligations as a successful and rich person. He stood up to be counted. We will miss him terribly.”

“He never once asked for anything. He did not want publicity, he did not want people to know, he just didn’t have that motivation – he saw a need and knew he could help.”

“He actually saved the day during the pandemic. He made the biggest single donation we have ever had, with no fuss. He didn’t want anyone to make a thing about it. He let nobody know of his generosity.”
 
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YeahBrackie

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Cheryl's priorities understandably lie with her 7 years old son. I think her statement is absolutely perfect. She might not go into detail about Liam (which is understandable if their relationship was perhaps distant or difficult due to his drug use) but does highlight the importance of giving him dignity. It's simple and respectful in terms of Liam.

I find her being so honest about her concerns for her son as a result of the vile vultures in the media, really brave and also tactically brilliant. They won't stop of their own accord as they've got no shame at all, so she's made damn sure to call them out on their disgusting behavior for everyone to see.

And also, she knows the very press she's taking aim at will be the very ones who will have been salivating at the thought of her releasing a statement so they can publish it. Now they're going to have to publish what is essentially an open letter to themselves highlighting how vile they are. A brilliant move, and one which is giving her son the best chance of not seeing any more vile intrusion upon his dad's death when he's older, beyond what has already been published.
 
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YeahBrackie

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I agree with the comments about Kate - she seemed very superficial and didn’t come across as caring and loving to Liam, more bothered about the lifestyle he could give her. She was riding the gravy train. I’m not blaming her for what happened but it’s sad she left him alone in Argentina if she knew what his mental state was like. It seems he needed someone caring around him - probably why he looked so well back when he had older girlfriends like Cheryl and Danielle, because they looked after him and guided him. Unlike Kate who just seemed bothered about herself? That’s how it comes across anyway.
It's not a woman's responsibility to look after a man. We see comments like this all the time (Like Ariana being blamed for Mac's death) and I think it's a sad reflection of the way women are set up to be "caregivers" our entire lives, no matter the cost to our mental health.

Kate had every right to leave if she didn't want to be there. Liam has been struggling with addiction and mental health for years, and numerous women in his life have come forward to say he was abusive towards them. If she felt like she needed to leave for her own wellbeing, or because his erratic and aggressive behaviour made her feel unsafe, then she was well within her right to do so. She's not in any way to blame for what happened.

Where does men's accountability come in to play? Why is it always "The women in his life should have looked after him better" when a man dies in these circumstances? Why is it never "He should have looked after himself better and taken accountability for his addiction and his behaviour?"
 
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tellmewhy

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I don’t like all of the hate Kate is getting for going home, it’s like when Mac died and everyone blamed Ariana. If there was truth in what Maya had said about him then he could have made it difficult for her to stay. She said they were meant to be there 5 days but stayed for 2 weeks and she wanted to go home, we don’t know if he relapsed before or used that as a threat to get her to stay.
also people blaming Maya, she had every right to tell her story without having to consider if he might do something like this because of it, sounds like he suicide baited with her previously but never went through.

People will ALWAYS blame the nearest woman.
 
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My thoughts are with the poor young boy having to be told that Dad chose drugs/alcohol over being a parent to him. And the woman having to break that news to him and break his heart.

I really don't think he was the person that people wanted him to be in their heads. And the news coverage this morning is too saccharine for my taste.


I don't think he 'chose' alcohol and drugs over his son; addiction is a complex beast and sometimes the voices in your head become all too much - he certainly will not have been thinking rationally.
 
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GrilledCheese

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I think some people forget this is a real person and not just some photo to analyse or fun conspiracy/mystery

Don't lose sight of the fact that this is someone's son you're talking about. Someone lost their only son. The youngest member of their family. To us this is happening now but we'll move on with our lives. But for his family, they'll still be thinking of this for the rest of their lives. They'll have 5 years without Liam, then 10,15 etc and it could still feel just as painful as it did when they first found out. Every new family milestone they'll stop and think "Liam should be here. He would've loved this". They could be haunted by moments in the past where they think they missed signs. Or even regret letting him audition for x factor and live a normal life. It goes beyond music. A son without his father. Ruth said Liam was her son's favourite person. Now he'll grow up without him. Liam's family would support the other members of 1d when they could by attending tours. Now they'll watch them succeed in the charts, touring and achieving so much knowing Liam should be there

He's not just some viral moment and his death is 1 day of 31 years. They'll remember all 31, while the media only focuses on 1 day and his time in the spotlight
 
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bananabutter

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I haven’t followed the Liam Payne stuff at all and I don’t know anything about Maya Henry. I don’t know what he’s accused of doing.

But I’ve absorbed over recent months that he was behaving erratically, wasn’t in a good place and pretty obviously was spiralling into drugs.

I’m not sure what his ex was hoping to achieve by giving public interviews about him to what looks like a couple of teenagers.

I’m not defending him or attacking her but I think if someone is struggling and in a dark place, then you should be the bigger person and not stick the knife in.
This is such a dangerous take.

So women should just keep quiet in case their abusers are vulnerable? No, absolutely not.
 
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Pinkii

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Everyone is saying how great Cheryl is so why wasn’t she supporting him as bears dad?

Or why didn’t he call his family who he was supposedly really close to?
why do i keep seeing comments about the women in his life having failed to save him!

why did his ex leave him and fly off when he was obviously in a state

why did his ex write a book about her obviously red flag relationship with him

why didnt the mother of his child help him

For the millionth time.. It is NOT a woman’s job to save any man!!!!! a young man has lost his life (due to his own demons) and yet people are still trying to lay some of the blame of his death on a female.
 
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Bol85

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FFS. He was off his head on drugs, he wasn’t making rational choices. He was very possibly sitting on the balcony edge, trying to climb over or it may have been a freak incident where somehow he did manage to get his body in a position to fall over.

There is nothing dodgy going on. Drugs are bad. Drugs kill people. Drugs make people do really stupid things. Drugs have killed a LOT of celebrities. Liam is just the latest sadly. There will be others after him.

It’s an incredibly sad situation where no-one is to blame. Liam used drugs to deal with trauma. An accident happened that is at least in some way related to him taking a shit load & sadly, it was the worst outcome.

A lesson to us all. Don’t do drugs.
 
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cwymmie

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Could she not have just wrote lovely things about him rather than having digs at all the scumbag media.

Like I get she’s angry but I’d be more concerned about hiding you punching a toilet attendant and calling her the N word than worrying that Bears poor Dad had his demons.

If you raise a child with empathy he’ll understand his Dads struggles & not give a shi*e about the media.
I think it’s possible you missed the point.
 
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1982

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I think we can all accept, Liam wasn’t a “hands on” dad. Cheryl’s post actually reflects that in many ways but what she is conveying is he was still Bears dad and one day Bear will be old enough to search the internet and see pictures of his Dads lifeless body and room full of drugs. She knows the effect that will have in him as it would any human being.
I honestly take my hat off to Cheryl…she has obviously had to become Bears safe place and be both a Mum and Dad to their little boy. In many ways this has already shielded Bear from more hurt than what is already done. What a strong woman 🙌🏼
 
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savedlatin21

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His net worth is nowt, he’s dead, the very definition of a has been.
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Why?
you think he’s more entitled to sympathy than innocent kids that have been burned to death?
says a lot about you if so.
I hate arguments like that. You can have sympathy for both.
 
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dramachaser87

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His net worth is nowt, he’s dead, the very definition of a has been.
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Why?
you think he’s more entitled to sympathy than innocent kids that have been burned to death?
says a lot about you if so.
Literally NEVER post on here but making an exception to the rule this one time, what a hateful, abhorrent, uneducated statement. Neither is related nor have a correlation. Let people grieve. Sometimes the mighty have to fall for the world’s eyes to open up to other issues and have more empathy. Liam was a kid once who was clearly troubled from having a career so young. The world isn’t black and white and everyone makes mistakes, humans are meant to be multifaceted. I hope others have more empathy in your times of need or sadness for you, instead of just telling you to get over yourself cus kids are dying in the Middle East (something that is awful but at this stage a fact of life, people being sad or not about Liam Paynes passing is unfortunately not going to have any affect on).

Get a grip.
 
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Smca53

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I found the recording of the hotel worker really strange. I speak quite good Spanish and it sounded to me like Liam was already dead and the caller knew that, it was my first thought. His tone was off and the fact he explicitly said the way that he was going to die (or had died) and that the police weren't needed, just the medical team, also surely hotel staff can always enter a hotel room?

Maybe he was thrown from the balcony and thats why he landed head first?

Maybe there's a cover up?
You think what, that a member of staff at the hotel killed him then they covered it up?

Honestly that sort of nonsense belongs in the depths of X
 
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