LadyMuck

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It's the first item on all TV news channels, yet funny enough Dan Wootton is not talking about it yet
 
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AnonyGoss

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I have seen a common thing amongst people who belive Amber: unfortunately they are real victims who have experienced similar things to what Amber is describing. And that is what hurts me most. Amber is using these types of stories for herself. But if you look at it objectively, without relating to her, you will see her stories aren't adding up.
I watch a lot of cases and true crime stories, where people murder their whole family and are able to act convincingly innocent. I'm not fazed by her acting.
 
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upyernelly

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Ffs. I cannot believe how rigid minded some people are.
I am a Gender studies scholar so I have knowledge of feminism - intersectionality and gender and power and how this plays out in the world we live in.
Im also a social worker and work with victims and survivors of every kind of abuse you’d imagine everyday.

All those saying that this trial will put women back years are correct. It will. All those people saying that no women would have got this justice like Johnny had are correct. It’s because Johnny is male, rich and powerful that he has been able to get justice for himself. Most victims are female and in a position of subjugation to their male oppressor and very few get justice.

However, what was Johnny supposed to do? Allow his life and those that love him to be deeply affected by the lies that Turd put out into the world because it would be bad for female victims moving forward?

Why do many people expect Johnny to be the sacrificial lamb for the benefit of women all over the world who are telling the truth?

Why are so many refusing to understand or acknowledge that the person responsible for putting women back years is AMBER HERD.
Amber has weaponised the stories and the real experiences of women who have suffered domestic violence to further her own career and to make money.

Amber is responsible for making the courts a more difficult place for victims and survivors.
 
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titan22

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Ok own up, who voted for Amber 😂
the one person who’s arguing all day that we are creaming our knickers for Johnny but we’re really just applauding a man who has had to go to these lengths to clear his name and name his own abuser and he came with receipts
 
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fnddlsoxnz

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I know everyone saying if he doesn’t win, he has still won the court of public opinion. I’m sorry but I really want him to win. She needs to know she can’t get away with this. Look at the smirks on her face now, could you only imagine how she would be if she won 😖
 
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Squittel

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My husband says Amber Heard’s sister looks like Hugh Laurie. He just said “put some stubble on her and she’d be House”

I can’t unsee it now.
 
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Squittel

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My toxic trait is watching this and thinking I now know everything there is to know about being a lawyer and could totally just walk in a court room tomorrow and represent someone.
 
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Just William

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@Charm
She clearly seduces the leading men in her movies. Most significant others would catch on, and be mad about it. He may have been an asshole, but she's describing him as possessed.
How can she lie about James Franco when we saw the video? It was a different day, but clearly the same man.
All of Johnny's audio recordings were of her begging, and pleading, for him to not walk away from an argument. Undeniable. Yet in her testimony she's a quiet church mouse blinded by love.
BIB - not to mention mocking him, calling him a coward & a baby for not staying to finish the fight/s she started. Getting pedantic about not punching him but admitting she was hitting him instead like that was somehow better. Him locking himself in a bathroom to get away from her, telling her he was walking away so the fight didn't escalate. Not the words/reactions of a serial abuser (imo) but someone abused & trying to placate & keep the peace & get the hell away knowing what would happen if he didn't. There's evidence he wanted to get clean, went for detox while she kept drinking around him & taking drugs while berating him for his addictions. I'm assuming he is clean now & has been for a few years?

Even ignoring her 'testimony' which comes across as so fake, the things that stand out to me -

1) his story has never deviated & he allowed all his devices to be examined despite them being incriminating & showing what a fucking toxic fuck up & verbally abusive prick he can be when off his head. Again, (imo) not the actions of a serial abuser who would attempt to keep any incriminating shit hidden.
2) She on the other hand didn't allow all her devices to be examined & her story keeps changing.

I'm not defending his actions & I sure as hell don't doubt he was a toxic nightmare to live with. There's audio/video evidence of him screaming/shouting, being incoherent, smashing stuff up, etc but ... I haven't seen any evidence from her that matches the allegations of bodily harm she said he committed on a regular basis. The bottle incident alone would have resulted in multiple visible cuts & abrasions not to mention a potentially serious internal injury. Not the kind of injuries easily hidden plus she wouldn't have been able to walk normally.

I think he was actually quite vulnerable because of his addictions & I think she used that against him. He was clearly only thinking with his dick & ego when he got with her. I think this trial for him isn't about $$$ - it's about trying to clear his name, get his story out there, be heard (sorry!) but my opinion is just that, an opinion, I just know who I tend to believe more & it ain't Amber.
 
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Tifastrife

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I am really baffled by the amount of people on twitter saying they are disgusted at the outcome, it's a setback for women etc as it shows women won't be believed. Surely it shows that truth prevails and liars will not win? I'm actually finding it really depressing the amount of people on there who seem to have wanted her to win purely because she is a woman.
 
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FerreroRocher

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God help any woman who finds herself in a toxic relationship with a powerful man from now on. If she is a flawed person. If she fights back. If being in an ugly relationship brings out defence mechanisms that seem ugly to those who stand outside and judge. If the world decides to vilify and condemn her to such a degree that her life is destroyed and may in fact be in danger from those who have decided they will avenge their hero. A hero who is also flawed and seems to be in the grip of substance misuse. However a hero with the resources to unleash hate and anger to a woman he loved once. He could have used his resouces to rehabilitate his career in kinder more thoughtful and creative ways. I feel sad for him as he cannot believe deep down that he emerges with honour from this deeply damaging court case. Hollywood is unlikely to come running to him because of this verdict. I feel more sad for her. She didn't stand a chance against him. She does not present as a flawless victim and that has been weaponised so so effectively. I feel sad for the next woman who finds herself in a relationship with him. I feel sadder most of all for women who come forward in the future with the knowledge that the me too backlash is in full swing and justice for women..for I know it isn't only women, men can be abused too..but it is mostly women...will be more elusive than ever. I expect many posters here will disagree with me but that's ok. We are all entitled to our own take on this. I just felt compelled to post anyway. Peace and love!
She lied under oath. She has done untold damage to victims that might speak up.
 
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Depp could walk in to that court room tomorrow, shoot Heard in the head, and be hired the next day. The public want to see him back in films.

I think Depp is getting a lot of support because he is doing what a lot of men desperately want to do, publicly berate and humiliate a beautiful woman.
On behalf of men every where, I OBJECT! Sorry, I don't want to indulge in a spat, but nope, a lot of men are not desperate to publicly berate and humiliate beautiful women. There are some terrible men and women out there, but your average joe would be appalled by that statement.
 
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welp

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"Was Aquaman a successful movie?"

I get they ask this for the jury, but OMG

omfg

"Aquaman was the most succesful movie of all time ever"

THIS IS THE BIGGEST LIE OF THIS TRIAL
 
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belle0610

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The way he sits there smirking and doodling during a court case of this nature. Vile. It's so disrespectful to anyone who's been abused.
He’s trying very hard not to look at her whereas she couldn’t look anywhere else but at him. Colouring / doodling is also a tool used by people with anxiety, depression and PTSD when confronted with difficult topics.
 
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livingforthetea

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Okay this might not make sense but I’ll try and explain my thinking anyway. In the audio clips between Amber and Johnny, Johnny openly talks about Amber’s physical abuse towards him. Saying she’s punched him, how she gets “physical” towards him. He alluded to her violence towards him many times and not once did Amber retaliate by pointing out the supposed beatings he’s given her. If my partner beat me within an inch of my life, sexually assaulted me with a bottle, pulled my hair out, broke my nose and they were calling me out for being physically abusive towards them, my instinct would be to say ‘WHAT ABOUT ALL THE SHIT YOU’VE DONE TO ME” “YOU BROKE MY FUCKING NOSE” - she’s hardly a shy retiring wallflower who isn’t afraid to antagonise him. Never once in those audio clips does she mention any of these elaborate stories she’s been spouting for the past 6 weeks.

My Mum was a victim of mental and emotional abuse and she spent her whole marriage desperately silent in an effort to keep her Husbands vile temper at bay (it didn’t work.) I know not every one is the same but I think there’s a reoccurring theme with survivors of abuse and that is when you are truly afraid, you do everything you can to appease your abuser. (I am not speaking for every survivor of abuse here and I know it is not linear, just speaking from my experience)
 
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