50sGirl

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“Tell the world Johnny, tell them Johnny Depp.
‘I, Johnny Depp, a man, I’m a victim too of domestic violence.’
You’re going to get up on the stand, Johnny, and say, ‘she started it’? Really?
And see how many people believe or side with you.”

Well you have your answer now Amber. The majority believe him.
#MENtoo
 
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MissMissMissy

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I just wanted to drop in to this thread and leave my comments. Not looking for an argument at all. Some valid and fair points are being made by many posters. Bravo!

Also- I am following houseinhabbit on IG and have been for quite some time now. I like how she covers things.

I am not ‘team’ either. I really don’t know who to believe, but what I see is two quite destructive and toxic people who perhaps share blame in this volatile relationship. That being said, if that is the case, it pains me greatly to see AH fly the flag of a ‘survivor’ and painting herself as this innocent victim who was a battered wife for years. To me, if they beat each other up, wound each other up, goaded each other in to these situations… then I do not agree that she should be taking that stance. I am sure many don’t agree and I’ve been trying to think of an analogy to explain better what I mean but I can’t.

I have been a victim in my life, I have suffered at the hands of man. However, I also have a personality disorder and at times been aggressive and violent in a relationship. I wouldn’t dream of standing up for the rights of DV victims knowing that a very sick, medicated and drunk ‘me’ very much caused a hell load of trouble. I’m grateful that the person this happened with tried very hard to manage me in a safe and defensive way, but one time he did bite back. It shocked me and both of us in to submission and we dealt with it. I’m lot better now and have had a lot of help. But imagine if after that one time he hit me(after I had said the most awful hateful things and hit him many times/broken things/threatened things) imagine if I used that and made myself a victim because I’m the one with a mark on me. It is wrong. We have to look at ourselves and accept responsibility for our actions. When AH is heard saying ‘who’s going to believe me a 115lb 5ft something woman against you a tall and built up man’(not verbatim but that’s the ball park) it makes me so upset. It isn’t right that she relinquishes all her responsibility because he fucked up too. The fact that his ex partners have stepped up to say he wasn’t abusive to them tells me that AH played a part. No she did not deserve to get abused, but did he?

My take on it is that they are both culpable and neither should walk away with their head held high. Neither should be flying any flags for victims.

I hope I have not said anything to upset or irritate people, I know my opinion comes from my own experiences and trust me when I say I am sorry and I worked hard to right my wrongs. My BPD is not by any means an excuse for my behaviour in the past but knowing and understanding that has helped me navigate a healthy relationship now.
 
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MojitoMel

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This was clearly a very toxic abusive relationship on both sides.
The difficulty I have is that JD has been very candid about his drinking, drug use, arguments and fights. No one has ever come out and said he is anything less than a gentleman.
AH is a very unlikeable character, her delivery of her testimony comes across as insincere and the trying to cry is just false.
She claimed yesterday that he had beaten her to within an inch of her life and she never filed a police report or attended an er. I just dont believe the cavity search or the wine bottle story. Her new pr guy speaking to the court photographer flowed by her full on pausing so he could get his shot says it all.

But all that being said, if she is truly a victim of DV, all she has done here is a massive disservice to DV victims everywhere. There are no winners here, but the fact that absolutely no one has come out in defense of AH and her character speaks volumes to me.
 
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Influncer Snarker

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But he is an adult, capable of choosing to behave in a non-volatile manner, and if he is uncapable then he has the resources available to address this. From what I see, many women and the media appear to have tolerated Depp's "volatile" behaviour for years before Heard was on the scene. The addictions, the destroying hotel room "oh what is he like, such a quirky libertine". None of those women stayed around to witness a middle aged Depp behaving like this, roles drying up, no longer the chirpy Captain Jack.

'He wasn't like that with his ex partners", even if he wasn't that doesn't mean he couldn't have been with Heard. It, as said, also seemed like a lot of women put up with his shit, as male actors or rockstars being "wild" was just tolerated, expected even.

Heard was the only one to spoke out about his shit it seems, she had enough, and it came to light that he was a nasty individual in the text messages he sent to his pal, and his behaviour.

If Depp was your average Joe, no one would praise and support a drug addicted violent man like this. The only praise should be for Heard who was able to not accept his bullshit and make a life for herself away from him.
And what about her lies and violence? Have you read any of the evidence? Have you listened to the tapes where she admits attacking him because he keeps walking away?
The only reason she went public with her supposed abuse is because she wanted more money. End of. And the only reason she got a 7 million pay out was because she she said she would give it to charity. She lied and told people, live on tv that she donated every penny.

There is zero proof that he was abusive to her.

Yes he has his demons. Who the fuck doesn't? Drugs and alcohol does not equal violence and abuse.
 
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Suecee

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I think the jury made a really sensible decision. If they'd found all for Johnny it may have appeared bias. They found one statement by his lawyer to be untrue & therefore defamatory, this makes sense as there was no evidence of a 2nd call to the police & the bodycam footage showed no damage.

They awarded punitive damages to Johnny which should hopefully send a message to AH & all liars! They knew she was making it all up!

Unfortunately though AH will continue to peddle & probably believe her own lies, those of us who have experienced people like her know this all too well.

Well done Johnny & team 😍
 
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Just William

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I find this case fascinating. I'm not writing this as an excuse for JD or from a fan's narrative, just someone who has got drawn into this trial through another case with a lot of similarities incl' another female abuser. I haven't even seen Pirates or most of his films. The few I have seen are Willy Wonka, Edward Scissorhands, Secret Window, What's Eating Gilbert Grape, Nick of Time, Chocolat & Finding Neverland. He's a good actor & I enjoyed what I have seen, when younger he was beautiful but I still don't consider myself a real fan.

From all I've seen so far during this trial & learning about his abusive childhood, there seems to be two Johnny's, the gentle (overly) generous, shy, kind & vulnerable man & the monster when he's off his head with drink/drugs & can be verbally abusive, ranting, destructive towards objects & misogynistic which as a woman myself is especially unpleasant. But it seems to me that (even if on a sub conscious level) he has a love-hate relationship with women stemming back to his mother with good Johnny loving women & the monster hating them or more likely (in my non expert opinion) feeling very unsure/insecure around them, a possible fear of abandonment thrown in & trust/hate issues & it all goes back to his mother.

He's clearly an introvert & very damaged but seems to have some self awareness as he has had therapy (possibly still ongoing, I hope so for his sake) & by his attempts to get & stay clean. The fact so many people want a piece of him & have done for so many years must make it hard for him to separate those who truly care for him & those who are just hangers on wanting a share of his wealth & generosity & IMO his addictions make him especially vulnerable.

I saw a quote somewhere that at his mother's funeral he said she was the meanest person he ever knew yet he still loved & cared for her until the end & has a tattoo of her name on his arm. Love/hate/loyalty, that's some mix. Someone mentioned on the previous thread about him being mentally stuck at a younger age & that could well be true as he clearly has problems handling his emotions & found/finds it easier to numb the pain with drink & drugs than deal with them. Not surprising as he didn't have decent role models, both parents abused him, with his dad beating him at his mum's bidding.

His reactions in those audio tapes are not the reactions of an abuser. They're the reactions of an appeaser & someone who wants to escape the violence he knows is coming. It likely triggered him & he wanted to retreat so badly & had the wisdom to not want their fights to escalate while she was relentless goading, mocking, gaslighting & hitting him. With all the evidence presented I don't believe he abused her physically as she claims. Possibly in self defence or reactive, wouldn't surprise me, but she comes across (to me) as a cold manipulative deceptive abuser whose testimony was so cringe worthy false & (quelle surprise) wants us to believe that everyone else is lying, even the professional witnesses. What are the odds?
That alone is a huge red flag for me even without the proven lies, changing of her story, those damning tapes, delaying handing over her devices, etc while he's remained consistent, turned over all his devices & has been willing to bare himself publicly (& a lot of it does him no fucking favours) but it also makes me believe he's the victim & desperately wants to clear his name.

I've said before he must be a fucking nightmare to live with & he's certainly not without his faults & that's putting it mildly, but physically abusive to her? No. Yet to see one shred of evidence to support her claims, just a lot of lies, story changing, dubious 'proof', smoke & mirrors & until I do see evidence that backs her up I'll continue to believe he's the victim & hope he wins this. But even if he doesn't win this battle I think he's won the war in as much as he's finally had his side of the story told in public & many more people now see her for what she is, aided in part by her own behaviour.

Just my opinion!
 
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Moley1

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The bias between women v men in courts is a massive global problem.
I used to be close friends with a couple, both husband & wife, and towards the end of the marriage she made allegations of DV.
The incident in question was a heated argument between the couple as the husband was trying to leave the house n the wife insisted he stay and finish the argument. She proceeded to attack him with a set of car keys, blocking his path. He shoved her out the way. She ran out onto the street bare foot after him. He escaped into his car, and called me recalling the incident in a panic about what to do.
the wife at the same time called the police allegingDV. Police attended, noted no injuries, saw the wife being aggressive to her husband in their presence and actually wrote [wife appears to be aggressor in domestic dispute]
No further action was taken, couple split up.
Amongst court proceedings wife demanded the 4 bed property for her & their child (wife was unemployed- left her job after child was born with her own will)
Wife also had immediate family living in the same town. She tried to serve him a non occupational order which she removed at the last min knowing husband could potentially default on mortgage payments putting them both in trouble. She also served him an ex parte non molestation order with details from the previous incident with the keys saying it was him beating her.
fastforward several months, new allegations emerged from her side, she refused to let him see the child without supervision, thus the court suggestion visits via a contact centre, (even tho the DV case was a no case to answer from the CPS) to progress onto solo visits.
mother breached court orders more than 5 times. (She failed to turn up to the contact centres, failed to hand child over, would disappear for weeks on end, each time resulting father in having to arrange an emergency court hearing)
Each time the wife got away with no consequences. In order to drag this further, wife asked for cafcass to get involved, and cafcass officer interviewed child who confirmed that mother told him strictly he was not allowed to play with his dad, as his mother has superpowers & can see everything he is doing. Child was clearly terrified of mum. In the final court hearing, a new judge was appointed, finally teared the mother & her solicitor apart for dragging this for 3 years, for inexcusable behaviour & influencing the child, issued joint custody immediately.
2 weeks later mother left the country to her native home promising joint contact.Wife blocks Him, he hasn’t seen his child for 5 years now, uk jurisdiction isn’t covered in their country.
although it’s a different case, it goes to show, that during those 3 years of around 13 court hearings, despite the solid evidence against her, the wife was given benefit of the doubt. Due to the delays, and benefits given to the wife in the face of false accusations, husband ultimately lost his child.
My ex wife had me arrested 3 times, basically for arguing with her. On one occasion the East Sussex policeman, as he was arresting me, said that they always remove the man from the scene if children are involved. On of of these occasions my mother in law attacked me with car keys in her hand. I showed the PC the scratches up my arms but I was still the one taken away in handcuffs.
My ex wife then hooked up with a single, divorced neighbour and decided she was going to move to Spain with him taking our three very young daughters with them. At that point they had no plans to marry. She had to take me to caught as I had a weekly visitation order. Needless to say she won. In summing up the magistrate said that taking them to Spain was no different to taking them to Newcastle!!!
My ex wife is a Narc. At one point in the divorce proceedings she told me she would take me for every penny I had (I didn’t have anything but debt which I inherited from the proceedings) and would make sure I never saw my children again. She was supposed to put the house on the market but refused to allow viewings on the basis that she had to look after her boyfriends dog. Eventually she and her parents bought my share of the house out. We never got the proper market value as it was never properly marketed. I was left with the credit card debt thanks to an in-depth legal team on my side.
From my own experience I can say with a level of certainty that in family matters cases are loaded very strongly in favour of the woman.
I can empathise in this case. Living with a narc was a total nightmare and in the end I gave, verbally, as good as I got as I was fed up with being used as a punchbag (verbal, emotional and occasional physical abuse). On one occasion I head butted a door out of sheer frustration. As our councillor pointed out to her, I was no physical threat to her because I took my frustration and anger out on myself.
When trying to explain our desperate financial situation to her she replied, “don’t worry, your mother will be dead soon and you will have all that money.”
She once told me that she wouldn’t have sex with me anymore until I lost weight (I was around 13st at the time and never had a really fit body).
I have no idea who did what to whom. Clearly it was a very toxic relationship and not good for either of them. What I do know for certain is that living with someone who has a narcissistic personality disorder is a total nightmare and the only was is down or out. It ruined my life and brought out the worst in me. Yes, I have to take my share of responsibility for the part I played in the toxicity because I reacted. I defy anyone not to after weeks, months and years of being treated as if my feelings don’t matter. Victims of narcs are told “no contact” because once the rot sets in there is no way to deal with it other than to leave. By staying in the relationship it will just fester until the wheels all come off. The wheels certainly came off in their relationship!
Sorry for the long post but it is important that men are heard too. I appreciate that most victims of DV are women, but DV isn’t exclusively against women and I can see, in a number of posts here, a natural support for AH just because of her gender. Abuse is abuse no matter who is doing the abusing. Abuse affects everyone within the relationship, no matter who instigates it. Clearly though, someone without empathy isn’t going to have the emotional trauma to deal with in either the short or long term.
 
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Can't believe I'm sat here at my office job watching a trial for 8 hours a day, complaining that Elaine isn't good at HER job.
 
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'Johnny’s statement ❤
The jury gave me my life back... Truth never perishes', says Depp
"Six years ago, my life, the life of my children, the lives of those closest to me, and also, the lives of the people who for many, many years have supported and believed in me were forever changed.
"All in the blink of an eye.
"False, very serious and criminal allegations were levied at me via the media, which triggered an endless barrage of hateful content, although no charges were ever brought against me. It had already traveled around the world twice within a nanosecond and it had a seismic impact on my life and my career.
"And six years later, the jury gave me my life back. I am truly humbled.
"My decision to pursue this case, knowing very well the height of the legal hurdles that I would be facing and the inevitable, worldwide spectacle into my life, was only made after considerable thought.
"From the very beginning, the goal of bringing this case was to reveal the truth, regardless of the outcome. Speaking the truth was something that I owed to my children and to all those who have remained steadfast in their support of me. I feel at peace knowing I have finally accomplished that.
"I am, and have been, overwhelmed by the outpouring of love and the colossal support and kindness from around the world. I hope that my quest to have the truth be told will have helped others, men or women, who have found themselves in my situation, and that those supporting them never give up. I also hope that the position will now return to innocent until proven guilty, both within the courts and in the media.
"I wish to acknowledge the noble work of the Judge, the jurors, the court staff and the Sheriffs who have sacrificed their own time to get to this point, and to my diligent and unwavering legal team who did an extraordinary job in helping me to share the truth.
"The best is yet to come and a new chapter has finally begun.
"Veritas numquam perit.
"Truth never perishes."
 
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What's your point

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Maybe I am in the minority but I hope she disappears into obscurity and lives a pleasant life with her daughter.

She has done some vile things and put JD through so much turmoil but I don't wish harm on her, far from it and I certainly don't wish her daughter to have any trauma growing up so my wish for Amber would be some time reflecting, serious therapy and just be a good mum.
 
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squatternutbosh

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Tattle analysis

JD’s evidence:

- Audios of Amber verbally abusing Johnny, admitting she hit him, goading him.
- JDS body guard testifying Amber punched JD.
- photos the the poop in the bed
- JDs driver testifying Amber admitting pooping the bed as a prank gone wrong.
- love journal showing apologies from Amber to JD
- TMZ proving they were tipped off by someone from Ambers side in regards to divorce/TRO/bruises.
- ex cop testifying she saw Amber assault ex partner
- computer guy testifying the photos are edited
- Kate Miss proving that Ambers stairs claim is BS
- both ACLU & CHLA proving Amber hasn’t paid them a dime
- Hicksville manager witnessing Amber going nuts on JD & him not trashing the trailer
- Warner bros exec testifying that Amber is a crap actress &JD has no influence on her career
- Whitney’s ex friend saying Whitney’s lying for Amber
- johnnys lack of finger
- video of Amber being a cunt in her 2020 deposition and slipping up about TMZ
- photos of JD with bruises on his face & black eyes
- 4coppers stating no evidence of abuse or injury on Amber

Ambers evidence:
- couple piks of Johnny asleep
- piks of drugs on table not with johnny
- johnny smashing cabinets, not Amber, the day after his mum died
- text msgs if Johnny cussing her out (rightfully)
- fake photos of bruises
- muffins?
 
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Bitofthebubbly

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From Tim Burton, he has been very quiet about the whole thing
I hate the way some of this is worded “kate couldn’t stop him” “Winona kept him calm” fuck off Tim, I get what you’re trying to say but fuck off. I hate the narrative that in a relationship it’s the woman’s (or mans but usually woman’s) job to keep their man in check and stop him from getting ‘too wild’. He is a grown man who is capable of minding his own behaviour. Stop infantilising men!

How about he control his own fucking behaviour instead of relying on the women in his life to baby sit him. Maybe then his life wouldn’t have turned out the way it did.
 
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The people complaining about Camille Vazquez being too aggressive, are somewhat missing the point.

The reason at times the cross examination was a blood sport, was because it had to be. And Camille wasn't even particularly aggressive. There has been criticism of her asides and sly digs: but as any boxer knows you have to work the ribs. And at times Amber gave as good as she got: because like Cersi (of whom, often, she bore a distinct resemblance) Amber is a fighter; and in some ways the perfect villain.

But Amber hasn't learned that you can't go fifteen rounds with your chin up, sometimes you just have to tuck in, roll with the punches, and hang on for the bell, have a breather, and come out fresh for the next round.

If you stop and think about it, Camille had a game plan, a list of set questions, as Amber had a list of set answers.

What Amber doesn't have is either a brain, or the ability to listen.

For instance yesterday Camille came out jabbing with Johnny always wears rings. And Amber being deaf with arrogance, could have easily parried these blows and landed a right-hander to the neck, by pointing out - as many on these threads did - that in fact Johnnie wasn't wearing rings in many of the pictures being presented in evidence. Clearly Elaine rubbed a bit of Vaseline on her eyes, while Rottenborn administered smelling salts overnight in her corner; for Amber brought up the rings early today, only to be immediately caught with an upper cut by quoting from Amber's own testimony from yesterday.

And this happened time and again, until she was forced back on the ropes, or boxed into the corner.

What was worse was that she didn't even fight dirty. Instead of coming in close for a head butt or the odd low blow, she kept trying to dance out of trouble: instead of staying down for the mandatory count, she would leap up and just stand there and take it. This isn't brave, it's pathetic - especially when she has challenged Johnny's legal team to find the evidence, she hasn't provided, because "it's not her job."

She allowed things she had never said to be put into her mouth, she let supposed important things (like being raped) to slip past as if they never happened, and even when she did land an odd left hook that left Camille winded (like Camille's selective quoting from the record as to events of the sexual assault on Amber's birthday) too often she was left open to a follow up combination, relying on jabbing and weaving, whilst Amber was flat footed swinging haymakers (of her truth) and missing.

Like it or lump it... it is not the patriarchy, or misogyny or some other mythical God.... that landed Amber Heard in a poisonous media war: it is Amber Heard.

It was her who turned up at the courthouse for the TRO (when she didn't need to), it is her who arranged for the press to be outside (when she didn't need to), it is her who leaked the photos to People magazine (when she didn't need to), after launching a defamation suit against Doug Stanhope, for writing about the only article that defended Johnny Depp, (amid the chaos of pussy hats and #Metoo) (when she didn't need to), it was her who leaked the kitchen tape to TMZ on the eve of divorce negotiations (when she didn't need to), and on and on Camille went, exposing each and every time Amber Heard had played the press game (amid the chaos of pussy hats and #Metoo) (when she didn't need to)... rising higher and higher... a spokeshole for UN, a spokeshole the World Economic Forum (or whatever that ponzi scheme is called that Greta Thunberg is part of).... up and up she rose on #Metoo wings of Icarus... expressing her anger and righteous rage from her soapbox with a message of rhetorical violence against men (oh not you, those men (though if it suits: you as well)) .... discarding friends, slapping foes.... until fat with pompous anonymity she writes the WaPo piece..... and it all comes crashing down.

Had she had the merest scrap of evidence she wouldn't have ended up in the position of being punched through the ropes, hanging half out of the ring, and claiming, it couldn't have been her who leaked the kitchen tape to TMZ because 'she didn't even know how to do it.' Which is rather like claiming you couldn't have sent the poison pen letters because you didn't know what a postbox is.

Amber, no doubt under the tutelage of the odious Dr Hughes (who she also threw under the bus), loves to talk about patterns.... well are you seeing a pattern?

By the end of the bout Camille had worked Amber over so well, that even Elaine (who has pandered to and enabled much of this) threw in the towel early.

Should you feel sorry for Amber? Probably.

The woman is clearly unwell, has substantial addiction issues, barely a friend in the world, and is a fool.

But you shouldn't let that natural sympathy cloud your judgement.

Camille wasn't aggressive, she wasn't unkind, she doesn't hate Amber: she was no doubt as nervous and scared as Amber in court.... but what she was doing, was her job.
 
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