Yacht sinking in Sicily

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Is there a HPE connection with Israel?
The company provide maintenance services for police, prisons and have been involved in check points etc for a long time. Was there something/intelligence/legal information they feared would be revealed?
I don’t know but googling Mike Lynch and Israel brings up interesting articles
 
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Hhmmm...am I just so far down the rabbit hole? If this type of weather experimentation has been going on between Italy and Israel since the 80s...?
 
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Eeehhh... I wouldn’t go down this route too far. Israel can't keep its borders perfectly secure and Italy can barely get a grip on its economy but they can get together and perfect the manufacture of weather events to the point where they can act as effective assassination means for corporate or governmental clients? It seems unlikely in the extreme and is a step and hop away from the fabled Jewish Space Lasers/Israel is Uniqly Evil stuff. Plus, you can pretty much Google anything "+ Israel" and find something, because that is the nature of the Internet once it identifies its Big Bad (cf. Capitalism, Feminism, UPFs, etc. depending on the bias of the googler).

Sometimes real life throws up some odd and tragic coincidences and sometimes things that are common become remarked upon because of who they effect rather than how strange or unusual they are (eg. Israeli former security service personel and, now, multi millionaire tech guru are not the only people to have drowned in Italy during accidents or freak weather but their cases are noted not because such deaths in such circumstances are unusual or rare but because of who the victims are, or their former or current status).

I think it seems more likely the yacht went out despite the bad weather warning- people on holiday often are more lax with things they'd be more careful with at home -and someone forgot to close all the hatches or similar. Could it be sabotage? Possibly. But no huge conspiracy imo.
 
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Eeehhh... I wouldn’t go down this route too far. Israel can't keep its borders perfectly secure and Italy can barely get a grip on its economy but they can get together and perfect the manufacture of weather events to the point where they can act as effective assassination means for corporate or governmental clients? It seems unlikely in the extreme and is a step and hop away from the fabled Jewish Space Lasers/Israel is Uniqly Evil stuff. Plus, you can pretty much Google anything "+ Israel" and find something, because that is the nature of the Internet once it identifies its Big Bad (cf. Capitalism, Feminism, UPFs, etc. depending on the bias of the googler).

Sometimes real life throws up some odd and tragic coincidences and sometimes things that are common become remarked upon because of who they effect rather than how strange or unusual they are (eg. Israeli former security service personel and, now, multi millionaire tech guru are not the only people to have drowned in Italy during accidents or freak weather but their cases are noted not because such deaths in such circumstances are unusual or rare but because of who the victims are, or their former or current status).

I think it seems more likely the yacht went out despite the bad weather warning- people on holiday often are more lax with things they'd be more careful with at home -and someone forgot to close all the hatches or similar. Could it be sabotage? Possibly. But no huge conspiracy imo.
Thank you for pulling me out the rabbit hole...😂
I think it has become the norm to look for 'something' and as you say, Google will provide the information to back up any theory
 
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Weather modification does exist tbf, check out Operation Popeye - and that was in the 1970s, god knows what they can do now.
 
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Weather modification does exist tbf, check out Operation Popeye - and that was in the 1970s, god knows what they can do now.
I'd only gone as far back the 1980's...don't do this to me Veronicaa 😂😂
As much as we can find on the internet...there is always more.
OT but P.Diddy, Maxwell, Epstein...it all happened in front of us and still shocked us!
 
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Unfortunately Hannah has been found now too, such horrible news and her poor mum has lost her and her husband.

A manslaughter probe is now being launched following the disaster. Italian authorities said they were "investigating shipwreck and multiple counts of culpable manslaughter." The Prosecutor's Office of Termini Imerese, led by Ambrogio Cartosio, is working to find why the luxury vessel capsized off the coast of Porticello, near Palermo.
 
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Unfortunately Hannah has been found now too, such horrible news and her poor mum has lost her and her husband.

A manslaughter probe is now being launched following the disaster. Italian authorities said they were "investigating shipwreck and multiple counts of culpable manslaughter." The Prosecutor's Office of Termini Imerese, led by Ambrogio Cartosio, is working to find why the luxury vessel capsized off the coast of Porticello, near Palermo.
Is the manslaughter probe against the Captain?
 
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Is the manslaughter probe against the Captain?
The article says the captain has been spoken too but that was all and then also this below.

Some maritime experts said the sinking could be down to the position of the yacht's lifting keel - the main structural backbone of the ship filled with heavy material - which has an impact on the boat's stability. Divers reported that the Bayesian's keel was not fully lowered.

Meanwhile Giovanni Costantino, CEO of The Italian Sea Group - the company which built the Bayesian yacht - claimed the model is "unsinkable". He said the boats built at his firm are "safest in the most absolute sense. This incident sounds like an unbelievable story, both technically and as a fact," he told Sky News. An unnamed engineer from the yard which built the yacht is convinced the tragedy cannot entirely be blamed on the freak weather.

Speaking with state television he claimed: "The Bayesian yacht most likely sank due to human error, an unsuitable attitude to the possible arrival of a disturbance." The expert also claimed that although passengers were most likely asleep in their cabins when the violent storm began its attack, crew members could have acted."

Italian authorities are also reported to be investigating whether or not hatches left open by crew members may have played a role in the sinking
 
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The Dailymail just reported that Hannah was found on her own, in a separate cabin from the other 5 people. This is just heartbreaking and so awful 😢
 
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Sorry for the people who have died and their loved ones, but the media have gone mental over this. 7 or 8 stories on the Sky News app alone for the past few days. It's the new Titan sub to them. If it was a fishing boat and not the uber-rich involved, I doubt we would have heard much about it. As ever, the logistics of the rescue mission is the most interesting part about it.
Yeah I’m baffled by the level of media coverage. Obviously it’s very tragic but why is so front line news.
My tinfoil hat is making me think media know something else so keeping the story out there.
 
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The Dailymail just reported that Hannah was found on her own, in a separate cabin from the other 5 people. This is just heartbreaking and so awful 😢
Where the 5 people in the one cabin, in a lounge, bar area, communal area?

It could be starting to sound like it's wasn't an accident.
 
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So sad to hear about this. Sicily can have some rough waters, and it's easy to underestimate how quickly things can go wrong out there. I've been on boats in that region before, and even in good weather, you can feel how quickly conditions can shift. My thoughts are with the families and everyone involved.
 
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Yeah I’m baffled by the level of media coverage. Obviously it’s very tragic but why is so front line news.
My tinfoil hat is making me think media know something else so keeping the story out there.
I thought it was just me! The coverage has been ridiculously excessive. From a media standpoint of course it covered two of their favourite topics rolled into one: The death of someone very rich and weather! They do love a weather story. On the same day a building was destroyed in Gaza killing at least 10, yet little coverage of that. I also wondered how many poor souls have drowned this week trying the cross The Channel or Med. Oh well ... what's 50 dead migrants compared to a billionaire on his multi-million pound yacht, right? :rolleyes:

I'm not a cospiracy theorist at all, but I just read a story that Mike Lynch (the billionaire who drowned) was about to launch some sort of legal fund regarding the Lucy Letby case. I was trying to understand why he would do that and then it dawned on me that he had his own legal woes with the courts and maybe he was concerned about an unsafe conviction. I believe David Davies MP was the person who revealed this information.
 
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I thought it was just me! The coverage has been ridiculously excessive. From a media standpoint of course it covered two of their favourite topics rolled into one: The death of someone very rich and weather! They do love a weather story. On the same day a building was destroyed in Gaza killing at least 10, yet little coverage of that. I also wondered how many poor souls have drowned this week trying the cross The Channel or Med. Oh well ... what's 50 dead migrants compared to a billionaire on his multi-million pound yacht, right? :rolleyes:

I'm not a cospiracy theorist at all, but I just read a story that Mike Lynch (the billionaire who drowned) was about to launch some sort of legal fund regarding the Lucy Letby case. I was trying to understand why he would do that and then it dawned on me that he had his own legal woes with the courts and maybe he was concerned about an unsafe conviction. I believe David Davies MP was the person who revealed this information.
The news has been very dominated by it and it's a shame because there are so many other things going on in the world. I also read that he was investigating the Lucy trial as he was concerned. I can't imagine that they went through on that boat though so I hope that there are some answers.
 
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Yeah I’m baffled by the level of media coverage. Obviously it’s very tragic but why is so front line news.
My tinfoil hat is making me think media know something else so keeping the story out there.
Its headline news for a number of reasons (and possible reasons)

Definite reasons:

- He was a well known billionaire
- He sat on a number of boards, inc the BBC IIRC
- We had (as a country) spent a number of years fighting his extradition to the US, he had caused us a headache, was well known to politicians
- He was part of a massive scandal where it was alleged he had sold his company to HP overvalued and they were suing him. Deloitte are implicated as well.
- He was acquitted of this last week
- The BBC had interviewed him only last week where he talked about starting his life again
- The other man who was acquitted last week also mysteriously died in a cycling accident a week after his acquittal

Possible reasons
- BBC know this is shifty as duck and are overreporting as they know it will come out that it was a hit


Questions:

- 'Water spout' as a cause of the boat capsizing is suggested only I believe as they don't show up on radar and there's no real evidence of that happening? witnesses have claimed to have seen one, but who were the witnesses?
- Why wasn't the boat docked given the weather?
- How did the boat sink, even if the mast was submerged, the keel should have kept it afloat. It wasn't an old and rickety boat.
- If the keel was retracted, why? Who did that?
- If windows had been left open, why? Thats dangerous.
- If the crew were up (they were, because of the bad weather) and had time to escape in a life raft, why couldn't they get everyone else up\out?
 
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Wonder what this means?

I remember reading about a bloke who survived in an air pocket on a sunken ship, as far as I recall he survived for a few days down there before being rescued
I had to Google and it said air pockets are formed when a boat sinks and the more air pockets there are the more likely people are to survive. I guess that because there was 3 or 4 people they were fighting for an air pocket. Just sounds awful 😞
 
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