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StatusWoe

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All this talk of a rescue mission is misleading. There's no way they'll be rescued, and it's very possible they're already dead. I think they're just trying to locate the sub for retrieval. Sorry for the bluntness, but I don't think the media coverage has been helpful, especially the oxygen countdown. It's very morbid, probably inaccurate, and doesn't take other factors into account. It also feels particularly insensitive to the families of the missing.

The banging sounds they're hearing could be anything. There are many vessels at sea and the search is covering such a wide area. I don't find it a particularly hopeful sign given that the Coast Guard can't identify the noises.

I want them to find the vessel for the sake of the families, but the idea they'll be found alive is false hope I think. Would love to be wrong about this.
 
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Tangerine Cat

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This thread needs to close. Admin?
Who says? As someone else said, the story isn’t finished yet. I like chatting here and read articles posted by others I’d never normally see.

When there’s been a big story like this and a sudden ending, I hate it when people want the threads closing, it’s cathartic to talk, it’s been a lot to take in. Let people leave the thread when they’re ready to.
 
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stardust1

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Over 500 people sank in Greek waters, how many threads have been created to RIP them? So yeah I’m being pedantic because it angers me that people are more upset about 5 people dying whilst adventuring over 500 people dying whilst trying to reach a place of safety.
create a thread then. I don’t know how you can tell who is upset over what, and your anger is directed at the wrong people
 
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Cack_Conroe

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I have followed this story from the beginning, and have been appalled by the number of people using it as an opportunity for virtue signaling about the migrant boat disaster. It's just appallingly self-righteous and callous to attack these doomed men - human beings with families, no matter how rich they are - just to prove how much more moral and clever they are by announcing they care more about a less well-known disaster.

I also disagree with wanting exploration of the Titanic banned. It is reactionary, in my opinion. It's not a gravesite any more than the tens of thousands of other shipwrecks that divers visit are gravesites. Shipwrecks are interesting. Battlefields are interesting. They are an important part of history. I can't easily dive as a non-swimmer with epilepsy, but I would happily dive the many wrecks local to me if it was possible. That's not because I would enjoy thinking about the people who died, but I would enjoy exploring the history and seeing the things in real life. I don't see that this is any different from the Titanic, morally. I think people are more aware of the human loss from the Titanic because it is so well-publicized from the movie. Most shipwrecks involved death.

I also don't see that it is any more morally wrong to disturb the Titanic than it is to disturb the tombs of ancient Egypt. Some of their religious beliefs involved the objects they were entombed with being necessary to join the afterlife, and this is continuously disregarded. Yet the study of history is very important, and no one tries to stop the archeological study of ancient Egypt. Actually studying the Titanic is less wrong, because these victims didn't have any attachment to their inadvertent final resting place and probably wouldn't view it as a "grave". Also it will degrade soon anyway, so I for one am glad that effort is made to preserve it by bringing pieces up, and to increase our knowledge. I am grateful to experts like Paul-Henri Nargeolet.

Finally, I am not going to judge the men for wanting to do this. It is their choice to take this risk. A lot of adventure and exploration involves risk. Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay could have died climbing Everest, like the men before them, and many after. Same with Ernest Shackleton and his Antarctic exploration team. They are lauded now, but it could so easily have been different. The Titan 5 would probably have got praise and been seen as brave and daring if their trip had gone as planned.

There are so many risky activities like base jumping, motorbike racing, cave diving and the like. It doesn't mean we're entitled to judge people with these hobbies and sneer at them when they die. It's doesn't make it any less sad when they die pursuing their passion.
 
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DianaBanana

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Just saw the aunt of the 19 year old saying he didn’t want to go, he just did it for his dad 😢


Azmeh claimed that her nephew did not want to go on the submarine but agreed to take part in the expedition because it was important to his father, a lifelong Titanic obsessive. Suleman "wasn't very up for it" and "terrified," she claimed, explaining that the 19-year-old expressed his concerns to another family member.
 
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Pennypennypenny

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My grandad drowned. This I think is why, in part, I am so scared of the sea.
If any of you have heard of the Arandora Star , he was on that ship . It was part of Churchills “round them up “ during the war. He was Italian and had a business here. italians were thought of as the enemy and they were rounded up to be deported. The ship should’ve had a cross painted on it to show it was neutral but it didn’t and the Germans torpedoed it three miles off the coast of Donegal.
I wish I hadn’t read the accounts of those who survived. My grandads ending was horrific 😢❤
 
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BessieNessie

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Half of the thread is suddenly people complaining that there is so much interest in this thread

What are they doing here then? 👀 👀
 
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Lucyxxxx

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It's too late now init? Make some jokes to lighten the mood but it's truly heart breaking and can't get this out my mind. Wish Lucy Letby was on the submarine instead.
 
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NorthernLight2022

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If, by some miracle, they are alive and just stuck on/under something I really hope that the stress or hypothermia has knocked them out because I can't imagine being conscious and just sat in the dark and cold for hours basically awaiting death. My gut feeling (literally no evidence for this at all it's just intuition and I have 0 experience with diving or submarines) is that they got stuck at the bottom or where they lost contact and have probably since died.
What i'm confused about is that if they lost contact 1 hour and 45 minutes in then surely they'd be a lot higher up in the sea and then easier to spot and locate for rescue and wouldnt need as specialist equipment as what is being deployed atm? (I get they're using the specific ones because they can go deeper if needed) Idk how many metres down they were when they lost contact but surely they'd be a lot higher up than the titanic?
My husband is in the area, and he tells me everyone heard a loud implosion on their sonars two days ago. (Implosion: explosion, but inwards instead of outwards). I’m sure they’re all dead long time ago. Seeing as the coast guard and everyone also heard it, I find it weird they haven’t talked about it to the media. Clearly there’s no chance.
 
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iLoveNectarines

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Just a thought, but rich people have the capacity to go 'missing'. What if this was an elaborate way for them to go missing....... to live out their lives somewhere...... there have been weirder conspiracy theories!
I think you're on to something here. I mean whats a better way to disappear and go unnoticed than having your image spread across the entire world!
 
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taytay512

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Imagine imploding in a submarine, and your estranged sister is using it as a chance to talk shit about you to the media :ROFLMAO: Families are just insane.
 
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Jasminexx02

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Rest in peace and god bless their families, I hope this has offered them some closure, as devastating and horrific as it is. ❤

Also, not to sound all cringe but I just want to say thank you everybody for this thread over the past few days. I haven’t commented much but I’ve been reading non stop and there’s been so much heartfelt compassion shown here. We might all be on different threads to each other usually but something so human brought us all together and I think that’s really lovely. God bless you all! (Sorry, I’m on my period, I feel like this is all a bit cringe but I do mean it 😭😂)
 
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givepeasachance

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Let's hope that this finally stops all these stupid fucking visits. Humans are not meant to see those depths. Leave the ship be now.
 
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