It's go time, Hollie is coming on!
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She's on.
Ha- yes. No 4G from the police station I guess?
The majority of these kids appear to be better at stringing a sentence together than she is, so if nothing else it'll be entertaining.
"Would you hide your school logo?".
All the kids on there have stated what schools they go to.
All the kids on there have stated what schools they go to.
This is quite boring and not teaching the children anything.
A quote from Mr Speaker just before Hollie left:
"That was very informative from someone that knows what all this is about".
It's obvious that she still knows nothing.
"That was very informative from someone that knows what all this is about".
It's obvious that she still knows nothing.
I guess the only positive from that is she isn’t full on pushing the online challenge narrative.
Perhaps she should have told Archie all this great advice, instead of allowing him to do what the hell he wanted to online
Obviously wasn't great.
Has she vanished yet?
Maybe 
Nothing from Hollie since she "lost her phone" on the 10th, although I'm sure whoever has it is really looking after it. Seeing as she was forever posting stuff, it is all very strange. Nothing from the Purple wave or he two closest allies.
Sometimes 2 plus 2 does equal 4
Sometimes 2 plus 2 does equal 4
some parents (too many actually) see having a child as an extension of themselves, as a status marker or as a mechanism to have their own needs met. Or a combination of all of the above.
Imagine that you don’t have much going on for you. Average looking? No education? No career? No real accomplishments? Have a baby and you achieve the social status of “mother”. (Fatherhood isn’t thought of in the same way - but that’s a whole other can of worms).
Everything can be hidden behind the “motherhood” status, because society still sees it as the ideallogical female state. It’s still romanticised. Its why women still experience judgement when they decide they don’t want children. It’s why HD has escaped any real scrutiny - because politicians and the media are reluctant to go up against the hallowed sacredness of motherhood, because she has cashed in on this status big time. She’s referred to as a “grieving mother” more than she’s referred by her name in most headlines.
these types of people don’t see their children as separate entities to them, with different perspectives, emotional states, different realities. They are an extension of them and as such, they own and have rights to said child.
for every loving and selfless mother, there are probably just as many who spawned a child for very superficial and selfish needs, people who aren’t fully capable of loving another person, who don’t have the emotional capacity or self awareness to raise a fully functioning adult.
with HD, you can see in her communications with her other son - in which she is wildly inappropriate - her children exist to meet her emotional needs, bordering on speaking to her elder son like he is her adult partner. Psychologists call it “parentification” where a child might be burdened with adult problems, or expected to fulfill the parents emotional needs. It stems from a place of entitlement and extreme emotional immaturity. Another reason why a parent feels they “own” a child. They’ve created this other being for their own uses, how dare someone suggest they don’t own them? They are entitled to them!
This is so eloquently put and I agree about the inappropriate adult/parent-like burden placed on children with this type of upbringing. The whole case has been so dreadfully sad. Even if Archie hadn't killed himself, he surely faced a troubling and severely dysfunctional adolescence and young adulthood, had he even made it to maturity. He didn't deserve his lot in life, as many children of narcissistic and emotionally damaging parents don't. Above all I'd have wished for better parents for him. xx
yep agreed. The tragedy wasn’t just that he died - the poor kid didn’t have a shot at life really. He was doomed almost, from the moment he was born.This is so eloquently put and I agree about the inappropriate adult/parent-like burden placed on children with this type of upbringing. The whole case has been so dreadfully sad. Even if Archie hadn't killed himself, he surely faced a troubling and severely dysfunctional adolescence and young adulthood, had he even made it to maturity. He didn't deserve his lot in life, as many children of narcissistic and emotionally damaging parents don't. Above all I'd have wished for better parents for him. xx
the thing is, I think the same could probably apply to Hollie. She’s a broken and damaged individual, probably with a lot of trauma and abuse in her own life to make her into the individual she is. She’s a monster in this story but she’s also pretty tragic herself.
imagine if;
1. The law and society recognised that emotional abuse was just as damaging as physical abuse towards children.
2. Then social workers and police would have a lower threshold to remove children from homes like this.
3. Imagine if social services were properly funded and respected as institutions. Imagine if foster homes were reformed beyond the dysfunctional system we have now - putting a child into care could be seen as a positive instead of a last resort.
4. Imagine if society got out of this weird mindset that a child is “owned” by its parents and the parent can discipline as they see fit, so long as there aren’t actual bruises. Imagine if we adopted a more communal attitude to child rearing, instead of seeing it as a deeply private affair. Imagine if we weren’t reluctant to involve ourselves in questionable behaviour, making excuses for “stressed” parents.
5. imagine if we had proper funding both into the research of personality disorders, into treatment and safeguarding. Imagine if mental health provisions were properly funded, and education wasnt only seen as the reserve for the ultra academically gifted who would make a profit from their degree - ergo making this field unappetising for many who might be able to make huge strides.
6. imagine if women, in particular, weren’t conditioned to believe motherhood was a hallowed state - that being either sexually attractive or a mother were the two main avenues for validation in the world. Imagine if they felt they could achieve a sense of worth and self through other avenues. Imagine if people were encouraged to actively question if they are capable of providing the emotional and physical needs of a child, instead of it being seen as a solely personal choice.
Archie was failed by his mother, but there are a lot of wider failures going on in this country that *can* and *should* be addressing. We can’t make Hollie dance into a good person, but we can take actions to make sure there aren’t any children who are born into the circumstances that Archie was.
It feels gross to even say but I bet Hollie has seen the Molly Russell coverage and wishes she'd taken that angle now. It’s rightly getting discussed at the highest level whereas Hollie’s non existent ‘online challenge’ and a 12 year old with unfiltered internet access hasn’t had the same impact.
If she’d have accepted it was suicide but misguided and glorified/encouraged by social media, even his favourite rapper’s lyrics, and talked about stricter rules for joining social media, age verification she may have affected real change. Of course that would have meant admitting she should have been stricter with his access and her own failings so it just wouldn’t be on her radar.
If she’d have accepted it was suicide but misguided and glorified/encouraged by social media, even his favourite rapper’s lyrics, and talked about stricter rules for joining social media, age verification she may have affected real change. Of course that would have meant admitting she should have been stricter with his access and her own failings so it just wouldn’t be on her radar.
honestly, I don’t think Hollie Dance has any real desire for change whatsoever. so I don’t think she is watching the coverage of Molly’s death and wishing she’d taken that approach, because Mollys dad is genuinely distraught and there is conclusive evidence that Molly had access to imagery relating to self harm, depression and suicide. So much so, that the coroner commented on it in the inquest into her death. molly’s father genuinely knows social media had a role in her death and pushing for change comes from a genuine place of grief and desire to stop it happening again.
I think Hollie knows exactly what happened with Archie. There has never been evidence that realistically suggests Archie ever was partaking in any challenge. There is evidence (from his own social media before it was wiped) that it could’ve been suicide - especially considering the unorthodox home life he appeared to have had.
so her motives are likely;
1. Cover herself against allegations of neglect or abuse or public blame, by pointing the attention elsewhere and kicking up a huge fuss at everyone and anything else - from social media to doctors to the law - she points the blame at everyone but herself.
2. it’s her way of dealing with deepseated guilt and shame for her part in what happened to Archie. Easier than confronting the weird possibility that she wasn’t a good mother to him, easier to convince herself it was all other people’s fault.
3. As a woman who has been marginalised her entire life, she is probably getting a huge thrill out of the attention and validation she is receiving. For the first time in her sad life, someone is paying her attention, listening to her and supporting her. I’d say she’s finding that more hard to let go of than anything else, and I’d say that’s a driving force behind a lot of her actions.
it’s truly heartbreaking to watch play out. I’ve never seen her demonstrate anything that would suggest she deeply loved and mourned Archie. Nothing. From my perspective it must’ve been painfully clear to Archie that he wasn’t loved and cherished, and he deserved better than the life he was given.
it also makes me sad for Hollie in a way. What happened to this woman to make her so lacking in empathy? To make her so throughly self centred? To be so dysfunctional and violent and unable to see it? She’s stuck in a whirlpool of her own pain, ignorance and to be fair to her - that’s the harsh hand life dealt her. She was likely never able to provide the love a child deserved and likely had never received much of it herself.
It’s stuff like this that makes me glad I believe in a just afterlife. I truly that Archie is at peace (and other people like him that never truly got a chance). For a child to feel at such a young age, that there is no hope for them? It’s too heartbreaking to think about.
From the inquest on Molly
"The inquest was told that out of the 16,300 posts Molly saved, shared or liked on Instagram in the six months before her death, 2,100 were related to depression, self-harm or suicide".
And that was just Instagram. I wonder how much her parents looked into her Internet history to see what she was looking at!and for how long, as they must have noticed a change in her behaviour.
It is tough to say, but it seems very easy to leave your child with a smartphone, and not concern yourself with what they are looking at, or why. Take responsibility at the time, it's too late after the event.
When (or if) I have children, I hope I will have more of an interest in their lives, and what they are doing. I hope these tragedies (for the children) make parents take more of an interest in what their children do on the Internet.
"The inquest was told that out of the 16,300 posts Molly saved, shared or liked on Instagram in the six months before her death, 2,100 were related to depression, self-harm or suicide".
And that was just Instagram. I wonder how much her parents looked into her Internet history to see what she was looking at!and for how long, as they must have noticed a change in her behaviour.
It is tough to say, but it seems very easy to leave your child with a smartphone, and not concern yourself with what they are looking at, or why. Take responsibility at the time, it's too late after the event.
When (or if) I have children, I hope I will have more of an interest in their lives, and what they are doing. I hope these tragedies (for the children) make parents take more of an interest in what their children do on the Internet.
According to a friend the woman arrested in this article is none other than Hollie:
www.echo-news.co.uk
Local rumour anyway.
Three people released on bail after GBH road rage incident in Basildon
THREE people have been released on bail after a road rage incident saw a car crash into a tree in Basildon.
Local rumour anyway.
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