1) Two out of three of those people have 10x the subscriber count Steve does. Obviously they make a shit ton more than someone like Steve from YT views alone. I don't think creators with smaller followings need to "pay their dues" and for some bizarre reason spend years earning very little from their efforts with the hope of one day accumulating a massive following and living off Ad Sense alone, do you? Why?
2) This Macmaster person has a donation link and a shitty low effort merch store.
I don't know if he or Dale do sponsorships, I do not watch them. If they do, then that negates this entire conversation. I don't believe B&B does but I could be wrong, I don't watch him regularly.
3) And? What again is the problem with providing your supporters the option to subsidize your content? This isn't some hard sell where the bucket is being passed around the church and the struggling parish guilt tripped to donate. It's "if you like what I make and want to see more, feel free to join my Patreon".
I will also just add as a side note that Steve, like or dislike his content, is not grifting. He does not make trending, exploitative bullshit content. And that counts for something.
ExactlyGary eats has no patreon and has nearly the same subs and views as Steve
Steve has nearly 300k subs. It's not like he's just starting out. People are funding him to go on holiday. Crazy.
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Why do you keep saying shit? you sound pretty aggressiveGary has a 1) PayPal donation link 2) drop ships garbage merch 3) has professional management.
Why again is that shit cool but a Patreon is a problem?
Accepting money from enthusiastic patrons who want more content from you in order to devote yourself to generating more content for them than you could if you worked at Burgercorp Inc. 40hr/wk is lazy. Producing this general content is lazy. Producing exclusive content for the patrons is also lazy. You should just be making whatever content you can with the time you have and earning Ad Sense only for reasons that cannot be explained in this thread. You're just supposed to be satisfied with your Ad Sense revenue and stop there cuz... YT isn't a job or something.Having Patreon is just lazy and requires no extra work, but gives you mega money depending on how many dafties you have. He has a lot.
He would probably still be putting out content if he had no Patreons. He's blackmailing vulnerable people into thinking if they don't pay their patreon fee he will stop.Accepting money from enthusiastic patrons who want more content from you in order to devote yourself to generating more content for them than you could if you worked at Burgercorp Inc. 40hr/wk is lazy. Producing this general content is lazy. Producing exclusive content for the patrons is also lazy. You should just be making whatever content you can with the time you have and earning Ad Sense only for reasons that cannot be explained in this thread. You're just supposed to be satisfied with your Ad Sense revenue and stop there cuz... YT isn't a job or something.
But a PayPal donation link isn't lazy.
Sweatshop-produced print-on-demand dropshipped merch isn't lazy.
Professional management isn't lazy.
Ad Sense isn't lazy.
Sounds good! I mean it would be easier if people would just say "I just kinda hate this motherfucker so I just reflexively think everything he does is corrupt bullshit even if people I like do it too and I'm fine when they do it."
I don't even especially like this guy but I support people's ability to be self employed loving what they do and ethically producing things that bring other people joy. That's where society should be going.
ExactlyBut he doesn't have the begging for Patreons/taking money from people when they can watch for free anyway. I suppose we just need to agree to disagree with eachother
"Why do I keep saying shit?"Exactly
That's exactly what he's doing, blackmailing folk and his patreons are probably a bunch of vulnerable people who feel obliged to support him. You can tell he wouldn't pay to watch other people's channels, he's stingy and likes to make it known, he's a big fake in front of the camera as well.He would probably still be putting out content if he had no Patreons. He's blackmailing vulnerable people into thinking if they don't pay their patreon fee he will stop.
He would probably still be putting out content if he had no Patreons. He's blackmailing vulnerable people into thinking if they don't pay their patreon fee he will stop.
Oh I say"Why do I keep saying shit?"
That's your question? Why do I repeat points and questions that no one wants to address about the content creation business model because they have this weird, irrational, blinding contempt for some travel bozo creator? Someone asking you for clarity or repeating something with the hope of getting some is aggressive? I find having these bizarre double standards for generating income as a content creator that so far have totally failed to be accounted for kind of aggressive! I mean it's actually hilarious how contentious this thread for Steve Fucking Marsh of all people is. I just wish admit they hate him so fricking much they can't see straight and everything he does is shit in their mind and he is a corrupt corrupt man lol.
Anyways, so what do you think of Alicja?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG he's blackmailing them. Omg. Thank you for this. This is an incredible note to leave this mess on. Everyone keep Steve Marsh's patrons in your prayers tonight. They are a vulnerable lot being profoundly exploited
Yup that's right, he's blackmailing his supporters, so you don't support him on patreon or like him up? he wont be making videos, simple as that, he's greedy. Imagine them paying for his holidayHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG he's blackmailing them. Omg. Thank you for this. This is an incredible note to leave this mess on. Everyone keep Steve Marsh's patrons in your prayers tonight. They are a vulnerable lot being profoundly exploited
Yeah hah It's so funny to see how many of his followers are taken in by his Mr Nice Guy act, and yep he promotes his patreon at any given chance, he's full of itHaving Patreon is just lazy and requires no extra work, but gives you mega money depending on how many dafties you have. He has a lot. He has the Patreon sign plastered over the TV screen at the start of each vlog. He's the only vlogger that does this.
I think he's a wolf in sheep's clothingYeah hah It's so funny to see how many of his followers are taken in by his Mr Nice Guy act, and yep he promotes his patreon at any given chance, he's full of it
You can't compare Gary Eats v Steve ........2 different topic's .Gary eats has no patreon and has nearly the same subs and views as Steve
He defo is a wolf in sheeps clothing, I think a lot of older people follow him and are taken in by him and he knows this. Do you know if his mother is still with us?I think he's a wolf in sheep's clothing
Do you watch The Knightstrider? him that owns a bar in Tenerife with his onlyfans gf?You can't compare Gary Eats v Steve ........2 different topic's .
Gary has many ad's in his videos but Steve has none plus Gary has just brought a book out.
Plane ,train & everything has merch store .
Hubby & I enjoy watching all 3 .Not once has have we spoke about Alicja's & Steve's ages ,Steve's weight, what he eats etc.
Steve has loads of ads in every vlog.You can't compare Gary Eats v Steve ........2 different topic's .
Gary has many ad's in his videos but Steve has none plus Gary has just brought a book out.
Plane ,train & everything has merch store .
Hubby & I enjoy watching all 3 .Not once has have we spoke about Alicja's & Steve's ages ,Steve's weight, what he eats etc.
No, I am not a patron. Again as I've already explained:Are you one of his patreons? haha the way you're going on it sounds like you're one of the gullibles
Maybe Alicja with start only fansDo you watch The Knightstrider? him that owns a bar in Tenerife with his onlyfans gf?
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