Miss Havisham
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My heart is breaking for the families of those girls. The excuses from his parents are utterly pathetic - insulting.
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The absolute bullshit of removing words that might offend these arseholes is beyond belief. There is the first problem right there. That mariella frostrop was spouting the same shit the other night. We must stop using inflammatory language and dehumanising them blah blah blah. Yeah coz that’ll stop the dirty pigs from leering and sexually attacking women going about their business.Parents were more concerned with losing their benefits than the risk posed by their son
Tangerine Dream
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I hope Samatha Steed never has a peaceful night sleep again.
It isn't all her fault of course but just maybe if she and her ilk hadn't been able to get their slimy little mitts on every insitution going so they could push agenda before anything else, three little girls would still be safe at home with their families.
Of everyone, I am so sick of people like her.
It isn't all her fault of course but just maybe if she and her ilk hadn't been able to get their slimy little mitts on every insitution going so they could push agenda before anything else, three little girls would still be safe at home with their families.
Of everyone, I am so sick of people like her.
VeniVidiVicki
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His dad is a liar. He said he was too frightened to confront him but he told other agencies that he didn’t want to becuase he was worried they'd lose benefits and also responded aggressively to school staff and police.
Glaschelle
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The parents are getting lots of sympathy on X.
Have had to restrain myself from answering some of them.
Yes the lack of mental health support undoubtedly played a part in the murder of those wee girls. But also having a son who'd only left the house in a couple of years, and everytime he left it was to try and hurt someone, and you don't constantly phone Social Work services, mental health services and the police is a bigger issue.
I saw a Northern Ireland documentary about families with boys with Autism. One of the dads was covered in bruises, scratches and cuts where his son lashed out at him. These families battled to get support for their kids. And as far as I know, none of them have murdered anyone.
Wonder how much it cost to relocate ARs parents and the brother. And how much their security costs every year.
Which I presume is why they didn't appear in person at the Hearing. So that as few people as possible can identify them.
Have had to restrain myself from answering some of them.
Yes the lack of mental health support undoubtedly played a part in the murder of those wee girls. But also having a son who'd only left the house in a couple of years, and everytime he left it was to try and hurt someone, and you don't constantly phone Social Work services, mental health services and the police is a bigger issue.
I saw a Northern Ireland documentary about families with boys with Autism. One of the dads was covered in bruises, scratches and cuts where his son lashed out at him. These families battled to get support for their kids. And as far as I know, none of them have murdered anyone.
Wonder how much it cost to relocate ARs parents and the brother. And how much their security costs every year.
Which I presume is why they didn't appear in person at the Hearing. So that as few people as possible can identify them.
maytoseptember
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And yet I recall some reporting around the Nottingham attacks which said local health services were concerned by a report (I think it was national rather than local guidance but I can’t swear to it) that stated things like injectable antipsychotics were overused on the black population, and this is why, ultimately, Valdo Calocane was allowed to be off his meds being a danger to society.
Also, why did the report hand-wring about the “overuse” of certain antipsychotic meds in certain communities, when the self same communities are over represented when it comes to developing psychosis? More concerned with leftist ideology than keeping patients and the public safe
And then to the ways agencies covered up AR’s violent behaviours, including erasing parts of a draft EHCP, for the same “anti-racist” reasons?
When did the authorities in this country lose their actual minds?
maytoseptember
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I was really shocked by this.
As much as the anonymity order was made with the best of intentions, in practice it feels more like a gagging order. The families must secretly feel very angry that they’re not allowed to be open and speak with whoever they see fit.
The fact that professionals are misinterpreting the order and acting like the children cannot even be identified to support services is appalling.
My cynical brain says this order has many functions, one being to quell public unrest. If the public really knew about each child, how they were injured and how they continue to suffer, not to mention how the authorities are failing them -well they might be taking to the streets again.
As much as the anonymity order was made with the best of intentions, in practice it feels more like a gagging order. The families must secretly feel very angry that they’re not allowed to be open and speak with whoever they see fit.
The fact that professionals are misinterpreting the order and acting like the children cannot even be identified to support services is appalling.
My cynical brain says this order has many functions, one being to quell public unrest. If the public really knew about each child, how they were injured and how they continue to suffer, not to mention how the authorities are failing them -well they might be taking to the streets again.
Tangerine Dream
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I can't tell you how furious that admission made me but it explains so much as to why someone with as many red flags as Axel had was traeted with such kid gloves.
Too many people care more about not having someone feel bad than the safety of, well, anyone.
It's awful to know that the fallout of that with R
More and more the parents seem to be a huge reason as to why this happened. It appears they weren't just overwhelmed or incompetent, they actively sabotaged their own son getting help?Parents were more concerned with losing their benefits than the risk posed by their son
Blueblue123
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Not good enough.
They could have simply been honest and tried harder to get help, not hide what he was doing. The brother said he would kill someone one day, the dad said he thought he would be killed by Axel so they knew he was capable of murder. They should have done something and but now, other families are suffering more than them.
He might be an evil shit but he's still alive and if he outlives his sentence and behaves himself, he might even be free one day.
Those little girls and their families don't have that.
Axel was still very young, maybe his behaviour could have been corrected. It might have taken a lot of work but we don't know that because they didn't really try.
observerisshe
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The more I read the more I strongly feel they need to be held accountable
monga
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I thought it was stated they were a hard working family?? Obviously more bullshit like the Welsh Choirboy
VeniVidiVicki
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And now it seems that the headteacher at the new school was told to remove words from his EHCP because camhs said they sounded racist
maytoseptember
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Couldn’t agree more. They knew he was, quite literally, a danger to society. Living in the same house as him must have been hell. And yet they were prepared to carry on like that indefinitely? I just can’t wrap my head around it.
They chose to say nothing, and in some warped way must have believed that speaking up was worse than carrying on with their miserable lives as they were. Why, I don’t know, although I recall some reluctance on the part of the father to do anything that would affect their access to state benefits?
Confused by the last paragraph. I think it’s grasping at straws to say that traumatic events in Rwanda meant that AR’s mother couldn’t speak to him about his horde of weapons. I mean FFS.
Exactly this. Why aren’t the parents being prosecuted for this? In my eyes, they have committed a crime. Disgusting pigs
Piff paff puff
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The situation we're at is that some people fear tensions created by saying and doing what is right more than the horrific results caused by doing that.
maytoseptember
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Wow. Astonishing.Parents were more concerned with losing their benefits than the risk posed by their son
I did wonder what motivated the parents to live under AR’s control. It sounded terrible. I guess from their point of view, it was an acceptable price to pay as long as they could live for free thanks to the welfare state.
What with this and professionals’ widespread reluctance to call a spade a spade… well it really makes you realise that this country is a mess.
monga
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As we thought , his parents protected him
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Blueblue123
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The parents supposed fear doesn't really wash with me. If they reported it and let the authorities deal with it, they wouldn't have had to.
Not an easy decision but would've been a far better outcome for all parties, if we want to look at it from a selfish point of view of them not wanting to report or have a delinquent son.
Not an easy decision but would've been a far better outcome for all parties, if we want to look at it from a selfish point of view of them not wanting to report or have a delinquent son.