Sir Keir Starmer #3

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Is it just me, or have the fresh out of sixth form fuckwits that run his social media, actually used a photo of him where the shadow makes him look a little bit Hitler?

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Not doctored at all, it's in this tweet
 
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Is it just me, or have the fresh out of sixth form fuckwits that run his social media, actually used a photo of him where the shadow makes him look a little bit Hitler?

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Not doctored at all, it's in this tweet
Oh my he really does, even down to the little tash! I do realise its a shadow but yep he looks like him even down to the slicked down hair
 
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Starmerbot the unflushable curd.

Roll on the locals next year, that'll hopefully be the end of this cretin,
 
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I'm sorry but Andy Burnham's apparent tilt at the leadership, which I think he was doing right up until the time came for him to nut up and declare, at which point he got scared and ran away like a kid playing rat-a-tat ginger, is the most pathetic and imbecilic leadership bid I've ever witnessed.

He gave an interview over the weekend saying that the UK has got to 'stop being in hock to the bond markets.' I'm sorry....WHAT??? What in the economic illiteracy was THAT thought-curd, Andy?

The UK IS in hock to the bond markets. Dangerously so. That is a stone cold fact. It does not stop being in hock to the bond markets just because Andy Burnham says some magic words and flutters his comedy eyelashes. If debt could be magicked away by magic words, then sure I'll just go to my bank and inform them that I'd like to stop being in hock to them for my mortgage. And then my mortgage will disappear. Isn't that right, Andy?? That's how you're claiming it works, right? Cosmically easy, there we go, we can magic debt away by willing it so, just like how a 6 foot, 18 stone brickie can become a true and honest LAYDEE if he wears a dress and says so. Excellent!

So we now know that Andy Burnham lives in the kind of universe where unicorns roam and marshmallows fall gently down from trees into our eager hands. The UK's perilous economic situation can simply be magicked away if we click our heels together three times and say the magic word, "Manchester!"

Is Andy really the best that Labour has to offer? REALLY? That's tragic. His so-called leadership bid was worse than the comedy failures of Chuka Umunna and Jess Phillips. And that was a duck of a low bar.
 
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Labour Conference has revoked Owen Jones’s conference pass.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
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Why ? Is he not left wing enough ? 🤭
LOL, nah, he's left wing all right, but he's also a total twit. Let's face it, if you thought Owen Jones might turn up at your party, you'd be changing all the locks too.

Reading between the lines, he went to the conference with the Magical Boob Grower, Zack Polanski of the Greens. I think their plan was to film themselves potentially disrupting the conference by trying to get delegates to say negative things about Kier Starmer. Or maybe they wanted to heckle Starmer by demanding that Hamas be given more opportunities to kill lots of Jews - er, sorry, what was I thinking? I mean demanding that the eViL zIoNiStS sToP tHeiR gEnOciDe.

Either way, they were clearly planning mischief and as a result got their arses handed to them on a plate. Possibly accompanied with a side dish of giant boobies, who knows.
 
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FFS haven't these politicians learned anything. 🤦‍♂️

Calling Farage and anyone who supports him or even considers immigration an issue a racist isnt going to work. Scare tactics dont work, and if anything just pushes people more to them.

It didnt work in the Brexit referendum, it got Trump elected twice, it gave Boris a massive majority etc etc.

Come up with policies and plans. Stop just trying to scare people and attacking your opponents.
 
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FFS haven't these politicians learned anything. 🤦‍♂️

Calling Farage and anyone who supports him or even considers immigration an issue a racist isnt going to work. Scare tactics dont work, and if anything just pushes people more to them.

It didnt work in the Brexit referendum, it got Trump elected twice, it gave Boris a massive majority etc etc.

Come up with policies and plans. Stop just trying to scare people and attacking your opponents.
I find it all very interesting. The point of a democracy is that the government should listen to what the majority wants and serve accordingly.

Of course, sometimes a responsible Government has to 'protect the people from their own worst instincts' which is why the death penalty was ended in the UK despite consistent popular support. Now you can have an argument for and against the death penalty but I think we would all agree it's quite an isolated instance where, because of the risk of miscarriage of justice, it's a decision that was, probably rightly, taken out of voters' hands.

Immigration is different. I remember exactly where I was when I first heard public unease and dissatsufaction expressed with immigration - on a state-neglected council estate in Newcastle in the mid 2000s. Even at that relatively early stage, working class people could see the social and economic downsides of unchecked immigration and were talking about it. And the public has consistently made its views on unchecked immigration known, in polls and at the ballot box.

The attempt to silence and gaslight all of these people by calling them racist, etc has been the default mode of our ruling classes since Gordon Brown's hot mic moment. It didn't work then and it's downright inflammatory now. The fact that Starmer and others are still trying it on speaks strongly to the lack of political nous or human empathy in our ruling classes.

Having a democratically elected politician tit on and insult the people who elected him, all so he can avoid difficult conversations and difficult policy decisions, is....absurd and unprecedented. It really, really is and it threatens the very social contract on which parliamentary democracy rests.
 
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I find it all very interesting. The point of a democracy is that the government should listen to what the majority wants and serve accordingly.

Of course, sometimes a responsible Government has to 'protect the people from their own worst instincts' which is why the death penalty was ended in the UK despite consistent popular support. Now you can have an argument for and against the death penalty but I think we would all agree it's quite an isolated instance where, because of the risk of miscarriage of justice, it's a decision that was, probably rightly, taken out of voters' hands.

Immigration is different. I remember exactly where I was when I first heard public unease and dissatsufaction expressed with immigration - on a state-neglected council estate in Newcastle in the mid 2000s. Even at that relatively early stage, working class people could see the social and economic downsides of unchecked immigration and were talking about it. And the public has consistently made its views on unchecked immigration known, in polls and at the ballot box.

The attempt to silence and gaslight all of these people by calling them racist, etc has been the default mode of our ruling classes since Gordon Brown's hot mic moment. It didn't work then and it's downright inflammatory now. The fact that Starmer and others are still trying it on speaks strongly to the lack of political nous or human empathy in our ruling classes.

Having a democratically elected politician tit on and insult the people who elected him, all so he can avoid difficult conversations and difficult policy decisions, is....absurd and unprecedented. It really, really is and it threatens the very social contract on which parliamentary democracy rests.
Brilliant post. I am absolutely sick of government thinking they can gaslight us. They seem to not understand that the term racist is so overused and wrongly used that it has completely lost its power. Equally Cooper calling Reform voters plastic patriots is just as insulting and is only likely to lose Labour even more voters. Its madness they are there to serve not dictate
 
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Brilliant post. I am absolutely sick of government thinking they can gaslight us. They seem to not understand that the term racist is so overused and wrongly used that it has completely lost its power. Equally Cooper calling Reform voters plastic patriots is just as insulting and is only likely to lose Labour even more voters. Its madness they are there to serve not dictate
It's a built-in feature of democracy that the demos (the 'people') will sometimes want things that the leaders don't very much want to do. This built-in bug was called out by Plato 2,400 years ago and was a key reason why Plato strongly disagreed with democracy. He thought that the ordinary working classes of Athens would be too easily swayed to vote for demagogues and bigots. Yeah Plato was basically an ancient Greek James O'Brien (albeit a million light years more intelligent). Plato thought that societies should be run by highly intelligent, wealthy and cultured oligarchs instead.

The genius of the British Parliamentary system is that it allows the 'demos' to declare what they want but also has in place many guardrails to, effectively, protect people from their worst instincts and stop them voting for extreme measures that would cause chaos. Our system was created incrementally starting with Alfred the Great's witan, and improvements and tweaks have been made incrementally over the centuries. This is the beauty of taking a small-c conservative approach to government. It protects the country from violent, sweeping changes and bloody revolutions. Britian is almost unique in having largely avoided the horrors of revolution and civil war. I don't think we quite realise how lucky that makes us.

However I would say that since the end of WW1 (you could argue since the Industrial Revolution actually) and accelerating after WW2, governments and politicians have become increasingly more careerist and less accountable to the people who elect them. There are many reasons why this happened - the breakdown of the class system, the emergence of professional politicians, the domination of neoliberal and Leftist thought in the civil service and professional classes, the advent of the mass media and then the internet, and finally the evil idology of identitarianism, which privileges such things as gender and skin colour over actual ability.

All this has meant in my opinion that we no longer have politicians who believe they are truly accountable to their own people. Nor do they take seriously their long term obligation to Great Britain. In fact I'm not even sure that many of them like Britain that much. They make decisions based on what BBC News and Twitter will say, rather than what they believe is right and best for the country, and especially for its younger and future generations.

So what we've ended up with is a bunch of really not very intelligent people, who don't like the populace very much (especially not the working classes), and just want to keep their salaries rather than make difficult decisions. In fact sometimes they make decisions which are actively damaging to Britain's foreign policy interests, such as the BONE-HEADED decision to reward Hamas by 'recognising' a 'Palestinian state', thus wrenching us unwillingly away from a decades-old and VERY SENSIBLE foreign policy of being in lockstep with the United States on Middle East issues.

Within this context, the idea that it's morally, ethically or politically smart to label one's own populace as bigoted and racist...that's beyond stupid. I would go so far as to say it is morally evil in its lack of due care, respect and responsibility.

Meanwhile the populace gets ever more disengaged and alienated and angry. That doesn't make us bigots. Britons are extraordinarily accepting and welcoming in my experience. They can put up with a lot. But I think they're now reaching a point beyond which their patience is exhausted.

What I'm not 100% sure about is where all this ends. Britain doesn't do revolutions and there's various things about the way our society is set up that makes me doubt there would ever be one (which is a GOOD thing). But something new's going to happen. In fact it's already starting to happen. What exactly it is, I don't know. Yeats put it best:


....but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
 
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Brilliant post. I am absolutely sick of government thinking they can gaslight us. They seem to not understand that the term racist is so overused and wrongly used that it has completely lost its power. Equally Cooper calling Reform voters plastic patriots is just as insulting and is only likely to lose Labour even more voters. Its madness they are there to serve not dictate
I agree its not appropriate to call everyone racist, but I would argue that Reform are plastic (fake) patriots.

My reasons:

- If things went to tit in the UK, Farage would be off with his millions to somewhere more comfortable.

- They offer symbolic nationalism without real policies behind it.

- They use populist grievances as posturing (us vs them) when the 'them' is the whole country, who they are supposed to be representing. Everyone else is a 'traitor' or 'sell out'

- They aren't even consistent about patriotism, cosying up to horrid people who have interests in other countries (eg their ex leader being bribed by Russia) U.K. Politician Admits Making Pro-Russia Statements in Return for Bribes - The New York Times

- The protesters are not patriotic, they've spent the last few weeks vandalising places, like War memorials (!!!!) in Bodmin and Kilburn Cornwall war memorial graffitied with St George's Cross - BBC News

-Their supporters incite violence or tolerate threats like intimidating people outside of mosques or setting fire to hotels

There's loads more, but there's not an ounce of patriotism amongst the lot of them
 
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I agree its not appropriate to call everyone racist, but I would argue that Reform are plastic (fake) patriots.

My reasons:

- If things went to tit in the UK, Farage would be off with his millions to somewhere more comfortable.

- They offer symbolic nationalism without real policies behind it.

- They use populist grievances as posturing (us vs them) when the 'them' is the whole country, who they are supposed to be representing. Everyone else is a 'traitor' or 'sell out'

- They aren't even consistent about patriotism, cosying up to horrid people who have interests in other countries (eg their ex leader being bribed by Russia) U.K. Politician Admits Making Pro-Russia Statements in Return for Bribes - The New York Times

- The protesters are not patriotic, they've spent the last few weeks vandalising places, like War memorials (!!!!) in Bodmin and Kilburn Cornwall war memorial graffitied with St George's Cross - BBC News

-Their supporters incite violence or tolerate threats like intimidating people outside of mosques or setting fire to hotels

There's loads more, but there's not an ounce of patriotism amongst the lot of them

If things went to tit in the UK, Farage would be off with his millions to somewhere more comfortable.
So would Starmer. And I doubt Sunak will be in the U.K. by the time the next GE happens.

- They offer symbolic nationalism without real policies behind it.
So does Labour

- They use populist grievances as posturing (us vs them) when the 'them' is the whole country, who they are supposed to be representing. Everyone else is a 'traitor' or 'sell out'
So does Labour, as is very evident in the last 24 hours of name calling.

- They aren't even consistent about patriotism, cosying up to horrid people who have interests in other countries (eg their ex leader being bribed by Russia) U.K. Politician Admits Making Pro-Russia Statements in Return for Bribes - The New York Times
Same with Labour, one minute criticism of the flag, next minute waving it at their conference. Only a select group of people, approved by Keir, are allowed to celebrate the national flag apparently. Everyone else is racist.

- The protesters are not patriotic, they've spent the last few weeks vandalising places, like War memorials (!!!!) in Bodmin and Kilburn Cornwall war memorial graffitied with St George's Cross - BBC News
Seen the way the leftists behave? Just Stop Oil? Antifa?

-Their supporters incite violence or tolerate threats like intimidating people outside of mosques or setting fire to hotels
And the Antifa crowd are always there, faces covered, trying to kick off violence and confrontation in what would otherwise be peaceful protests (Epping).
 
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I agree its not appropriate to call everyone racist, but I would argue that Reform are plastic (fake) patriots.

My reasons:

- If things went to tit in the UK, Farage would be off with his millions to somewhere more comfortable.

- They offer symbolic nationalism without real policies behind it.

- They use populist grievances as posturing (us vs them) when the 'them' is the whole country, who they are supposed to be representing. Everyone else is a 'traitor' or 'sell out'

- They aren't even consistent about patriotism, cosying up to horrid people who have interests in other countries (eg their ex leader being bribed by Russia) U.K. Politician Admits Making Pro-Russia Statements in Return for Bribes - The New York Times

- The protesters are not patriotic, they've spent the last few weeks vandalising places, like War memorials (!!!!) in Bodmin and Kilburn Cornwall war memorial graffitied with St George's Cross - BBC News

-Their supporters incite violence or tolerate threats like intimidating people outside of mosques or setting fire to hotels

There's loads more, but there's not an ounce of patriotism amongst the lot of them
I hear you and these are all excellent and well thought out pieces of evidence. The problem is that each one can also be said of Labour and the Left more broadly:

- If things went to tit in the UK, Farage would be off with his millions to somewhere more comfortable. - The further Left a person is, the more they like to squirrel away their millions. e.g. Blair, Scargill, Rayner. This is also known as "Socialist in the streets, Grifter between the sheets"

- They offer symbolic nationalism without real policies behind it. - Kier Starmer, yesterday, on Britishness: "Painting the fence, running the raffle, cutting the half-time oranges… Debbie recycles school uniforms.” What is this but specious nationalism without any policies behind it (apart from euthanising the elderly and rewarding terrorists, I guess)?

- They use populist grievances as posturing (us vs them) when the 'them' is the whole country, who they are supposed to be representing. Everyone else is a 'traitor' or 'sell out' - May I politely suggest that this is an area upon which it is dangerous for you to tread. 'Us vs Them' mentality is the Left's stock in trade, and has been ever since Lenin's infamous 'Appeal to Reason' speech at the International Conference in 1915. A speech which Stalin made genocidal reality with the Holodomor. If that's too rich for your blood, here's a tamer version from the Flame Haired Queen herself: “We cannot get any worse than a bunch of rum, homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute vile … banana republic, vile, nasty, Etonian … piece of rum.”

- They aren't even consistent about patriotism, cosying up to horrid people who have interests in other countries (eg their ex leader being bribed by Russia) U.K. Politician Admits Making Pro-Russia Statements in Return for Bribes - The New York Times - Hold ya horses Comrade. Kier Starmer just rewarded Hamas, a well funded, well organised and exceptionally violent terrorist organisation which is starving its own people in Gaza by blowing up Israel's food convoys, and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of world Jewry. You don't get more horrid than that.

- The protesters are not patriotic, they've spent the last few weeks vandalising places, like War memorials (!!!!) in Bodmin and Kilburn Cornwall war memorial graffitied with St George's Cross - BBC News - Yes, that's bad. Pulling down statues and vandalising statues of Churchill and the Unknown Soldier memorial in 2020 was worse in my view. And for some reason, the BBC excused it as being a response to slavery (which Britain ended) and the death of George Floyd, another exceptionally violent gentleman who wasn't even killed in Britain.

-Their supporters incite violence or tolerate threats like intimidating people outside of mosques or setting fire to hotels - The Far Left is violent and Far Left stochastic terrorism is on the increase. Particularly when you factor in the Islamo-Left. Antifa's homicidal and destructive antics are well documented.

There's loads more, but there's not an ounce of patriotism amongst the lot of them - I'm not sure the Left have an especially strong track record here. John McTernan said the English flag was a symbol of bigotry. Emily Thornberry has conniptions at the mere sight of it. We could go further back and talk about NHS founder Nye Bevan's admiration of Hitler's socialist employment programmes, or the Left's support of the Spanish Communists who grape and murdered Catholic nuns and priests during their Civil War. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
 
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I agree its not appropriate to call everyone racist, but I would argue that Reform are plastic (fake) patriots.

My reasons:

- If things went to tit in the UK, Farage would be off with his millions to somewhere more comfortable.

- They offer symbolic nationalism without real policies behind it.

- They use populist grievances as posturing (us vs them) when the 'them' is the whole country, who they are supposed to be representing. Everyone else is a 'traitor' or 'sell out'

- They aren't even consistent about patriotism, cosying up to horrid people who have interests in other countries (eg their ex leader being bribed by Russia) U.K. Politician Admits Making Pro-Russia Statements in Return for Bribes - The New York Times

- The protesters are not patriotic, they've spent the last few weeks vandalising places, like War memorials (!!!!) in Bodmin and Kilburn Cornwall war memorial graffitied with St George's Cross - BBC News

-Their supporters incite violence or tolerate threats like intimidating people outside of mosques or setting fire to hotels

There's loads more, but there's not an ounce of patriotism amongst the lot of them
I agree, and that's why it annoys me these politicians let Trump and quite possibly Farage walk into power by scare tactics and just shouting insults at them.

If Farage gets in, the left will be just as much to blame as the far right
 
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I agree, and that's why it annoys me these politicians let Trump and quite possibly Farage walk into power by scare tactics and just shouting insults at them.

If Farage gets in, the left will be just as much to blame as the far right
This is the thing. It's fun to play Who's the More Racist (I certainly had fun writing my post above) but it is incumbent on mainstream politicians to understand why people are turning to Reform.

Why is Wales, a Labour stronghold since the inception of Labour, now likely to go Reform in the Senedd next year? That is SEISMIC. A once in a century political change. Why is it happening? Why has Labour failed to deliver for the people of Wales that they are now considering a ramshackle and unpalatable alternative?

Rather than smearing and insulting the voters WHO PAY THEIR SALARIES, mainstream politicans need to take a long hard look in the mirror and understand where THEY have failed the people they are meant to serve.

The fact that so many of them, especially on the Left, prefer to smear the voters, is unconscionable and represents a total breakdown of the values of public office.

Politicians who refuse to identify where they have failed, and instead blame the voters, DESERVE to lose their jobs to Reform.
 
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