Rest in Peace #4

[Moe]

RIP Charlie Kirk. Not a celebrity. He was a political activist. I didn’t agree with things he said but he was a brilliant debater. He was 31 and leaves behind his wife and two young children aged 1 and 3.
Just because you don’t agree with his opinions doesn’t give anyone the right to assassinate.
This has really touched home with me. This man argued for freedom of speech

 

[LyraBalaqua]

RIP Charlie Kirk. Not a celebrity. He was a political activist. I didn’t agree with things he said but he was a brilliant debater. He was 31 and leaves behind his wife and two young children aged 1 and 3.
Just because you don’t agree with his opinions doesn’t give anyone the right to assassinate.
This has really touched home with me. This man argued for freedom of speech

I read a bit about him, sort of listened to others opinions about him and was nonplussed but I felt actually shocked at his awful death. I have a child around his age and you never stop thinking of them as that baby you gave birth to , I cannot imagine his parent’s grief.

The social media joy at his death we are seeing from his political / social opponents is beyond disgusting .

 

[LennyBriscoe]

I came here a couple of times last night to post but didn’t really know what to say. To be honest, I hadn’t heard of him but from what I’ve seen, he certainly made an impact in different ways.

Regardless of views, beliefs and political leanings, to be executed in that way - and in front of his family - is abhorrent. Those poor kiddies may not even remember him but his awful death is online forever. Some of the videos and comments I’ve seen on Tik Tok are absolutely shocking. I’m sure when people such as Fred West or Ian Brady died there was an element of happiness that they would go to hell but in this case, I can’t get my head around the glee.

I hope he rests in peace and I truly hope those who witnessed his killing get the support they need

 

[Lovely]

RIP Charlie Kirk. Not a celebrity. He was a political activist. I didn’t agree with things he said but he was a brilliant debater. He was 31 and leaves behind his wife and two young children aged 1 and 3.
Just because you don’t agree with his opinions doesn’t give anyone the right to assassinate.
This has really touched home with me. This man argued for freedom of speech

He wasn't a brilliant debater in the slightest. He was a poorly educated, college drop-out polemicist who argued with high school and university students (and always selected angry activist types that he could easily rile up so it looked like he 'won'). Just watch his performance when he was up against Oxford students who actually knew how to debate – mediocre at best.

Also, he was only in favour of free speech for people like him. In his ideal world, he thought women shouldn't even have the vote because their husbands should vote on behalf of the family. His general views on women, gay people, people of colour, etc. make The Handmaid's Tale look liberal. Of course he shouldn't have been murdered, but let's not act like he was one of the good guys.

 

[LaBlonde]

He wasn't a brilliant debater in the slightest. He was a poorly educated, college drop-out polemicist who argued with high school and university students (and always selected angry activist types that he could easily rile up so it looked like he 'won'). Just watch his performance when he was up against Oxford students who actually knew how to debate – mediocre at best.

not to mention that one of his most “famous” debate moments was saying, with his whole chest, that he would make his daughter carry and deliver her rapist’s baby if she was assaulted at 10 years old.

he cared so little for the victims of gun violence in the us that i find it bizarre that, now he is one of those victims himself, he is receiving the very tributes he never offered to anyone else.

 

[Moe]

He wasn't a brilliant debater in the slightest. He was a poorly educated, college drop-out polemicist who argued with high school and university students (and always selected angry activist types that he could easily rile up so it looked like he 'won'). Just watch his performance when he was up against Oxford students who actually knew how to debate – mediocre at best.

Also, he was only in favour of free speech for people like him. In his ideal world, he thought women shouldn't even have the vote because their husbands should vote on behalf of the family. His general views on women, gay people, people of colour, etc. make The Handmaid's Tale look liberal. Of course he shouldn't have been murdered, but let's not act like he was one of the good guys.

I disagree and I said I didn’t agree with some of his opinions but he had the right to say them.
I thought he wiped the floor with the Oxford Union.
Also on an American Campus saying University was a financial scam asking the student who was four and a half years in studying English literature asking the student his favourite Jane Austen book and the student said Harry bleeping Potter.
Again I didn’t agree with a lot of what he believed in but freedom of speech is so important and shame on people rejoicing on someone’s death.
Also to add maybe clarity when Margaret Thatcher died I was disgusted by the comments “Ding Dong the Witch is dead”. I had never supported her but was appalled at this way of thinking.

 

[Pinkii]

I disagree and I said I didn’t agree with some of his opinions but he had the right to say them.
I thought he wiped the floor with the Oxford Union.
Also on an American Campus saying University was a financial scam asking the student who was four and a half years in studying English literature asking the student his favourite Jane Austen book and the student said Harry bleeping Potter.
Again I didn’t agree with a lot of what he believed in but freedom of speech is so important and shame on people rejoicing on someone’s death.
Also to add maybe clarity when Margaret Thatcher died I was disgusted by the comments “Ding Dong the Witch is dead”. I had never supported her but was appalled at this way of thinking.

well we’re saying he believed in freedom of speech- well people are using that freedom of speech to voice their opinion about his murder too and whether they feel its a loss or not to humanity but I’m sure its a massive loss to his family.

lets not forget he said "Its worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment"

At least he died for what he believed in

 

[Mark81]

I hate the gloating of the left about his murder. It paints them in a very poor light. A child is without her father, at the very least people should show sympathy to that. And if this was the other way around they would lose their minds if the right celebrated.

But let's not pretend he was some sort of political genius or good guy. He believed being gay was an error, his daughter should be forced to have a baby if she was rated, the civil rights movement was a mistake and justified stoning people. Whether he meant what he said, or not, he said it.

I wont celebrate his death, but I wont celebrate his life either.

 

[LaBlonde]

this sums up my feelings tbh:



a sad loss for his family, wife, children, friends i’m sure. but i’m not going to pretend that he was some sort of freedom of speech advocate when he only did that on his terms and when it correlated with his own awful views. he was literally shot in the middle of talking down america’s gun violence, which he always treated a mild annoyance, so (as said above) i guess he did die for what he believed in.

 

[Lovely]

I disagree and I said I didn’t agree with some of his opinions but he had the right to say them.
I thought he wiped the floor with the Oxford Union.
Also on an American Campus saying University was a financial scam asking the student who was four and a half years in studying English literature asking the student his favourite Jane Austen book and the student said Harry bleeping Potter.
Again I didn’t agree with a lot of what he believed in but freedom of speech is so important and shame on people rejoicing on someone’s death.
Also to add maybe clarity when Margaret Thatcher died I was disgusted by the comments “Ding Dong the Witch is dead”. I had never supported her but was appalled at this way of thinking.

If you think he wiped the floor with the Oxford Union, then I'm afraid that tells me all I need to know about your level of intelligence and critical thinking ability. I'm also not sure why you're still going on about freedom of speech when there's endless evidence that he only wanted freedom for his speech and for his views to be imposed on everyone else. That's not any kind of real freedom.

 

[Moe]

I respect all your views and comments but a man has been murdered for his opinions. I won’t comment anymore.

 

[Bradylo]

I respect all your views and comments but a man has been murdered for his opinions. I won’t comment anymore.

Absolutely, All I can think of are those poor babies who have lost their father at no age at all. No doubt they will come across the videos when they're older too. Heartbreaking.

 

[Lalla]

No one should be murdered for their views, however unpalatable some of those views may be to others. Freedom of speech is something that generations have fought to preserve.

The horrendous murder of Iryna Zarutska, this assassination, both horrifying, especially happening right before the anniversary of 9/11. I know people are murdered every day, but these 2 deaths have been particularly shocking I think

 

[merlot]

I stumbled across the full version of Iryna Zarutskas murder by accident, i hadn't heard about it beforehand... jesus christ I'm absolutely horrified by what I saw! That poor, poor, girl

 

[Dollybird]

Charlie Kirk had some wild opinions and I think knew too much that was going on with trump so he was taken out . It was a sniper shot for instant death . He wouldn’t have suffered , it was instant for him , a blink of an eye in speed . I’ve seen the video and I won’t forget it anytime soon . Have reported it but insta already came back to say it didn’t violate their policies ? It’s literally a man being murdered

the Trump thing was just A theory of mine . I think it was planned

 

[Flowerpotgirl]

I respect all your views and comments but a man has been murdered for his opinions. I won’t comment anymore.

he was murdered for condoning the murder of others. and suggesting that those people were collateral damage. you need to give your head a wobble if you think thats ok. He can say whatever he wants, but that doesnt mean there wont be consequences for it

 

[sassytammy]

he was murdered for condoning the murder of others. and suggesting that those people were collateral damage. you need to give your head a wobble if you think thats ok. He can say whatever he wants, but that doesnt mean there wont be consequences for it

This reminds of an argument I had with a hateful 'friend' on Facebook. I argued that there was no justification for the beheading of the French teacher Samuel Paty.

My friend said that if you insult Muslims than you can't expect them not to react...he was teaching them freedom of expression and allegedly showed them the cartoons published by Charlie Hebdo.

I was called a fascist (ironic much), by my 'friend' who used all sorts of 'whataboutery' to support his views. He would not agree that there was no justification for the brutalness. He tried to explain to me how sacred Muhammad's image was and how to mock would lead to consequences - even in the context of a class about freedom of expression - which is part of French culture. He is actually the 'interfaith' person for a fringe religion.

The argument that there are consequences for saying what you want - including being killed for it - is not where we should be, nor should it be in any way accepted.

 

[Flowerpotgirl]

This reminds of an argument I had with a hateful 'friend' on Facebook. I argued that there was no justification for the beheading of the French teacher Samuel Paty.

My friend said that if you insult Muslims than you can't expect them not to react...he was teaching them freedom of expression and allegedly showed them the cartoons published by Charlie Hebdo.

I was called a fascist (ironic much), by my 'friend' who used all sorts of 'whataboutery' to support his views. He would not agree that there was no justification for the brutalness. He tried to explain to me how sacred Muhammad's image was and how to mock would lead to consequences - even in the context of a class about freedom of expression - which is part of French culture. He is actually the 'interfaith' person for a fringe religion.

The argument that there are consequences for saying what you want - including being killed for it - is not where we should be, nor should it be in any way accepted.

Live by the sword, die by it. It’s what he wanted.

 

[Islawight]

Yes, I’m sure he wanted to be murdered in front of his wife and child whilst giving a debate. I get that some people wouldn’t like what he had to say but ffs, no need to kill the guy.

 

[LennyBriscoe]

Rest in peace former BBC weatherman Jay Wynne, who passed away back in June

Jay Wynne, former BBC weather presenter, dies aged 56

Jay Wynne joined BBC Weather in October 2000 and was a regular forecaster on BBC News at Ten.

www.bbc.co.uk