Real Life Crime & Murder #35

[TheMiceInTheShed]

I’m afraid I’m getting to the point of saying No, balls to the police and government, let them have it.

What are we supposed to do to be heard though? We vote for our MP and they don’t do their jobs, whatever PM is in power they promise the earth and don’t deliver - though Starmer takes the absolute piss.

I’ve had cause to dial 999 when my mum and sister were assaulted very aggressively and the police told us they couldn’t come out and never even cautioned the hole that did it because ‘there were no independent witnesses’. I don’t know who is in the habit of making stuff like that up for people and giggles but it isn’t us.

I was in Southampton three weeks ago and had I been there yesterday I’d have gone to the protest to protest peacefully, but I honestly believe the police made sure things kicked off last night. Did any of you see the video of the bloodied white man being held down by several officers while another one repeatedly kicked at his head?

As has been said so many times, rioting was accepted when it was over a black person but No way should we let this go. It’s not just the way Henry died but it was let out today that he was left on the floor for 60 minutes before the murdering scums brother called the police. Henry couldn’t call for help because the murdering rum had his phone!

oh, and the murdering rum also had a road rage incident and was banned from his place of worship because of his behaviour.

And today we’ve had the usual rhetoric from Starmer, everyone blaming Farage when he didn’t incite anything, virtue signallers condemning Farage for what he said yesterday and bringing up that Henry’s family didn’t want trouble, whilst making sure they have their own say. duck the hypocrisy.

duck the lot of them. As far as I’m concerned we should be rioting until the rotten government collapses.

the police told us they couldn’t come out and never even cautioned the hole that did it because ‘there were no independent witnesses’.

How often are there ever going to be "independent witnesses" to an assault, or even a theft? Very rarely, because the fiilth that carry out these crimes don't usually do it publicly. They do it when they can't be seen, stopped, identified. Many police are just using these excuses to "cop out" (forgive the pun, but it's very apt) of doing their jobs.

Henry died but it was let out today that he was left on the floor for 60 minutes before the murdering scums brother called the police.

Does that mean that it was almost 2 hours before Henry received any care? An hour when his murderer concocted a story, and another 45 minutes before the police realised and did something, because they were so keen to blame this poor boy for "hurty words"?

The police will soon find that if they lose the support of the majority of the population, they themselves will be under threat. In the past people have helped the police - sometimes even putting themselves at risk by stopping officers from being assaulted - but trust in the police is so low, and getting even lower that very soon it will be much as you say - "Policeman getting his head kicked in? Nothing to do with me. I've seen nothing."

They will be as much at risk as the rest of us - maybe more.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

Paediatrician disagrees with coroner’s conclusion that Nowak’s injuries were fatal even if he’d received prompt medical attention



Sorry it‘s in Polish.

Spoiler: Here’s an AI translation

 

[summit]

Does this paediatrician have any relevant expertise?! Was he directly involved in caring for Henry? As far as I'm aware, the answer is no. So I would be careful about how much significance I attach to his opinion.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

Does this paediatrician have any relevant expertise?! Was he directly involved in caring for Henry? As far as I'm aware, the answer is no. So I would be careful about how much significance I attach to his opinion.

Obviously the piece is a bit too long for you to read so I’ve cropped the second relevant paragraph which answers your questions

 

[summit]

LMAO, I would like to hear more about this "specialized course in treating severe injuries".

Impressive to some, I guess?!

 

[Violetroselily]

Yeah the opinion of a doctor who has watched a 3 minute bodycam video vs the pathologist who examined him...I wonder which one is more likely to be correct

 

[Lalla]

I don't think there's any point in getting too hung up on whether or not Henry could have survived, because it distracts from the real issue on which I hope everyone is in agreement - that the manner of Henry's death and his last 2 hours on earth were made much worse by all present that evening.

There will be a range of medical opinion, and let's be honest there are people still alive today who pulled through after suffering what (some) doctors considered unsurvivable injuries.

But what I don't think can be disputed is that how Henry died, alone, on the floor, being called a liar, is appalling. It doesn't matter if his injuries were fatal or not. He didn't deserve any of that. Fault lies with his cowardly murderer, the despicable family of his murderer, and the useless police, who were more concerned about an allegation of racism than a man who was literally dying in front of them. If I was one of those officers I'd have to resign because of the shame of what I'd done (or not done).

All those officers deserve to be publicly named and shamed. They don't deserve any courtesy because they gave no courtesy or dignity to Henry.

 

[BaxterBillions]

Paediatrician disagrees with coroner’s conclusion that Nowak’s injuries were fatal even if he’d received prompt medical attention



Sorry it‘s in Polish.

Spoiler: Here’s an AI translation

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What a bleeping chancer

You can guarantee when a high-profile case turns up one of these "experts" will step forth to give their tuppence-worth. Remember Nicola Bulley?

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Paediatrician disagrees with coroner’s conclusion that Nowak’s injuries were fatal even if he’d received prompt medical attention



Sorry it‘s in Polish.

Spoiler: Here’s an AI translation

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It's hard to know who is right. I assume a pathologist also examined Henry's body and made a report? I would also assume that the coroner based his/her comments on that.

However if it is a straight choice between the paediatrician's report and an uninformed coroner, than I'd trust the doctor. Coroners are lawyers and most have no medical training. Plus, I am sure that what the doctor said is right, that rough handling would have torn Henry's wounds even more. His death may or may not have been inevitable - it was certainly hastened and made more uncomfortable.

Whether he would have survived or not is almost academic. The way he was treated and abused (there is no other term) contributed to his death in horrible, frightening, painful and heartbreaking circumstances, while his murderer was being comforted and pandered to, was APPALLING. THAT should not have happened.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

I don't think there's any point in getting too hung up on whether or not Henry could have survived, because it distracts from the real issue on which I hope everyone is in agreement - that the manner of Henry's death and his last 2 hours on earth were made much worse by all present that evening.

There will be a range of medical opinion, and let's be honest there are people still alive today who pulled through after suffering what (some) doctors considered unsurvivable injuries.

But what I don't think can be disputed is that how Henry died, alone, on the floor, being called a liar, is appalling. It doesn't matter if his injuries were fatal or not. He didn't deserve any of that. Fault lies with his cowardly murderer, the despicable family of his murderer, and the useless police, who were more concerned about an allegation of racism than a man who was literally dying in front of them. If I was one of those officers I'd have to resign because of the shame of what I'd done (or not done).

All those officers deserve to be publicly named and shamed. They don't deserve any courtesy because they gave no courtesy or dignity to Henry.

But what I don't think can be disputed is that how Henry died, alone, on the floor, being called a liar, is appalling. It doesn't matter if his injuries were fatal or not. He didn't deserve any of that.

All those officers deserve to be publicly named and shamed. They don't deserve any courtesy because they gave no courtesy or dignity to Henry.

This. All of this.

 

[Violetroselily]

For the hard of reading, the PATHOLOGIST:

There hasn't even been an inquest yet - there are no comments from an "uninformed" coroner

 

[ChastityDingle]

I have often read of families thanking a stranger, maybe a random passer-by, maybe a paramedic who held their relative's hand and spoke a few kind words, in their dying moments - say after a car accident, or a sudden medical episode.

It must be a tiny comfort to know that there was somebody with them, and that the last words they may have heard were kind ones. I cannot begin to fathom how Henry's family must feel, knowing that he was actually handcuffed, dragged around and spoken to with such disrespect in his final moments.

It's heartbreaking to me, as a complete stranger, just reading about it.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

For the hard of reading, the PATHOLOGIST:
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There hasn't even been an inquest yet - there are no comments from an "uninformed" coroner

I apologise. I (obviously wrongly) assumed that if there were reports that Henry wouldn't have survived even with treatment, then that was based on a coroner's report. In fact - hard of reading as I seem to be - I read that in a previous post.

I also implied that if this was based on the report of a pathologist who had examined Henry's body, then I'd trust that over someone looking at photographs. None of this changes the disgusting treatment he received from the police.

But you do you.

 

[Lalla]

I have often read of families thanking a stranger, maybe a random passer-by, maybe a paramedic who held their relative's hand and spoke a few kind words, in their dying moments - say after a car accident, or a sudden medical episode.

It must be a tiny comfort to know that there was somebody with them, and that the last words they may have heard were kind ones. I cannot begin to fathom how Henry's family must feel, knowing that he was actually handcuffed, dragged around and spoken to with such disrespect in his final moments.

It's heartbreaking to me, as a complete stranger, just reading about it.

Exactly, I deal with RTAs at work and have heard many times that the first person on the scene of a fatal accident has sat with the injured person, held their hand or touched their arm, and kept talking to them until the emergency services arrived, even when the person was unconscious (or even had clearly already passed) and every single one said they did it because it felt like the right thing to do. Offering words of comfort and reassurance in that situation seems like the natural, instinctive reaction to a person's pain and suffering.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

What a bleeping chancer

You can guarantee when a high-profile case turns up one of these "experts" will step forth to give their tuppence-worth. Remember Nicola Bulley?

He’s an NHS consultant paediatrician on the isle of wight. You can look him up on LinkedIn.

I don’t know if he's right or not but forcing Henry’s arms into handcuffs behind his back and dragging him across gravel wouldn’t have helped him