I signed up some years ago to have my organs donated.
I feel exactly the same. It just doesn’t sit right and I felt bad opting out but it’s what I wanted.Don’t shoot me but before it was made mandatory I opted out, I don’t know it just doesn’t feel right for me to share my organs, although in recent years I’m perhaps thinking a bit differently and might opt in. I have signed up to give blood though, I’m happy to do all the blood I can
This is my feelings too! I can’t get my head around accepting a donated organ and not being willing to donate my own.I’ve always carried an organ donation card and am happy for mine to be used to save lives. My motto is if I’d be willing to accept and organ I should also be willing to give
OK this prob sounds stupid but I've read that if you're an organ donor and on ventilation and someone needs an organ then they may not try so hard to save you? Is that bull? It scares me. Lol.Me again! Sorry. As an organ donation nerd and enthusiast it’s really interesting hearing everyone‘a views and opinions (and some sad experiences too, I am sorry to hear those).
To donate your organs you have to die within ICU or A&E, either on a ventilator or very soon after being taken off a ventilator - there are strict circumstances regarding how you pass away and it is all monitored extremely closely. If you are approved as an organ donor then you will have non stop attention from the ICU team until you are transferred to the operating theatre where the organ retrieval team will then take the very best care of you. For example, I’ve seen surgeons undo and redo sutures 3 times before because they aren’t happy with how neat they are. (Just wanted to share this as some people think your organs are just ripped away and that’s the end).
I’ve lost the point of what I’m saying but basically I think it was along the lines of very few people are ever in the position of being able to actually donate due to the circumstances required. So hopefully you’ll never have to rely on the decisions you’ve made - BUT it is so important to make them and share share share your wishes with your loved ones because yep, NOK has the final say!
Ive heard a tonne of people with the same fear and I don’t think it’s stupid at all! I can’t give any insight into it I just wanted to say it’s not silly don’t feel silly for thinking that way! But I’m interested to hear any insight into this.OK this prob sounds stupid but I've read that if you're an organ donor and on ventilation and someone needs an organ then they may not try so hard to save you? Is that bull? It scares me. Lol.
My dad was in ICU on a ventilator for 2.5 weeks. They operated twice on his brain during that time... I’m fairly sure they only check whether they’re a donor when the decision is made that there is nothing else they can do. It was never even mentioned to us anyway until a while after the consultant had the ‘we can’t do anything else’ conversationOK this prob sounds stupid but I've read that if you're an organ donor and on ventilation and someone needs an organ then they may not try so hard to save you? Is that bull? It scares me. Lol.
That is NOT a stupid question at all! But nope, not true at all.OK this prob sounds stupid but I've read that if you're an organ donor and on ventilation and someone needs an organ then they may not try so hard to save you? Is that bull? It scares me. Lol.
That sounds harrowing but thank you for explaining. I pray to god I’m never in that situation with someone I love. Can I ask, at what point does the patient die? Is it straight after theatre? Does he die alone, can his family be with him?That is NOT a stupid question at all! But nope, not true at all.
There are so many things going on when a severely unwell person is admitted to intensive care, you don’t go “oh they are a donor - Bob upstairs needs a heart, let’s take this one!”. Here’s an example of an organ donation case:
John (he’s pretend) has a bleed on his brain. Intubated and ventilated by paramedics at the scene because he’s completely unresponsive and unable to breathe. Gets admitted to A&E. Scan shows this is a very severe injury to his brain and it is likely he will not recover, however there is emergency surgery that can be done to give him a slight chance. He is rushed to surgery. Then onto ICU. His blood pressure and ventilator requirements etc are all over the place, it takes hours and much medication to stabilise him. Finally when he is semi stable (yet still critically unwell and unlikely to survive / get to a point where he and his family will be happy with his quality of life) conversations are had about where we go from here (this could be days - a few weeks later!). He’s not making any effort to breathe for himself and he is not responding despite not being on any sedation / drugs that keep him asleep. Family say he would not want to live in a disabled or reliant state. Organ donation is not mentioned at this point at all. Family spend time with him whilst in the background we check if he is on the register. If he is then we contact the specialist organ donation nurses to approach the family and tell them that he is and ask their opinions about going forward with donation. They are not forced into this at all, and are given the opportunity to ask a million questions about the process. If he isn’t on the register then we still contact the specialist organ donation nurses to inform them that we have a patient who is heading towards the end of their life and is a candidate for donation. They then approach the family to ask their opinion - ONLY when the time is right (after they have had time to come to terms with the discussions they have had / spent time with the patient etc). If they do not want to donate, the ventilator and medication sustaining life is removed and the patient passes away with his family around him. If they do want to proceed with donation then the specialist nurses do many further specialist tests on the patient to ascertain if he can donate. The family are made aware of all of this beforehand and have to sign consent forms. The results of all the tests are then sent to a central donation hub where the patients organs are matched to people who are waiting for organs. His heart may be matched to someone in Glasgow, his lungs to someone in London and his liver to someone in Newcastle for example. It’s all anonymous and it does take up to maybe 12 hours or so to get all the tests and matches done. During this time the patient is often unstable so the team fight really hard to keep them “alive” as the organs need to be viable. So definitely not being given up on. Once all of his organs (or the ones that are usable anyway) have been matched and then accepted by the receipt, he is prepared for the operating theatre. This is a massive task in itself. The hospital receiving each organ send their own specialist surgeon and team to retrieve the organ, so many surgical teams travel to the patient for the operation. The family say goodbye to the patient, taking handprints and locks of hair etc if they wish, and then the operation is carried out with such care. The organs then travel to their destination straight away. The family of the patient are contacted the next day by the specialist nurses and for a few months afterwards. They are also offered counselling and bereavement care.
It is such a special and heartwarming process to be involved in. Yes it is incredibly sad, but seeing people act so selflessly during their very worst hours is humbling.
I hope some of that made sense and didn’t offend - upset / bore anyone. I really don’t want people being put off / I want people to know the truth.
Thank you for writing such a thorough account of what happens. I was in a very unfortunate position of battling sepsis a couple of years ago; it was touch and go and after a month in ICU (three weeks on a ventilator/trach) I survived.That is NOT a stupid question at all! But nope, not true at all.
There are so many things going on when a severely unwell person is admitted to intensive care, you don’t go “oh they are a donor - Bob upstairs needs a heart, let’s take this one!”. Here’s an example of an organ donation case:
John (he’s pretend) has a bleed on his brain. Intubated and ventilated by paramedics at the scene because he’s completely unresponsive and unable to breathe. Gets admitted to A&E. Scan shows this is a very severe injury to his brain and it is likely he will not recover, however there is emergency surgery that can be done to give him a slight chance. He is rushed to surgery. Then onto ICU. His blood pressure and ventilator requirements etc are all over the place, it takes hours and much medication to stabilise him. Finally when he is semi stable (yet still critically unwell and unlikely to survive / get to a point where he and his family will be happy with his quality of life) conversations are had about where we go from here (this could be days - a few weeks later!). He’s not making any effort to breathe for himself and he is not responding despite not being on any sedation / drugs that keep him asleep. Family say he would not want to live in a disabled or reliant state. Organ donation is not mentioned at this point at all. Family spend time with him whilst in the background we check if he is on the register. If he is then we contact the specialist organ donation nurses to approach the family and tell them that he is and ask their opinions about going forward with donation. They are not forced into this at all, and are given the opportunity to ask a million questions about the process. If he isn’t on the register then we still contact the specialist organ donation nurses to inform them that we have a patient who is heading towards the end of their life and is a candidate for donation. They then approach the family to ask their opinion - ONLY when the time is right (after they have had time to come to terms with the discussions they have had / spent time with the patient etc). If they do not want to donate, the ventilator and medication sustaining life is removed and the patient passes away with his family around him. If they do want to proceed with donation then the specialist nurses do many further specialist tests on the patient to ascertain if he can donate. The family are made aware of all of this beforehand and have to sign consent forms. The results of all the tests are then sent to a central donation hub where the patients organs are matched to people who are waiting for organs. His heart may be matched to someone in Glasgow, his lungs to someone in London and his liver to someone in Newcastle for example. It’s all anonymous and it does take up to maybe 12 hours or so to get all the tests and matches done. During this time the patient is often unstable so the team fight really hard to keep them “alive” as the organs need to be viable. So definitely not being given up on. Once all of his organs (or the ones that are usable anyway) have been matched and then accepted by the receipt, he is prepared for the operating theatre. This is a massive task in itself. The hospital receiving each organ send their own specialist surgeon and team to retrieve the organ, so many surgical teams travel to the patient for the operation. The family say goodbye to the patient, taking handprints and locks of hair etc if they wish, and then the operation is carried out with such care. The organs then travel to their destination straight away. The family of the patient are contacted the next day by the specialist nurses and for a few months afterwards. They are also offered counselling and bereavement care.
It is such a special and heartwarming process to be involved in. Yes it is incredibly sad, but seeing people act so selflessly during their very worst hours is humbling.
I hope some of that made sense and didn’t offend - upset / bore anyone. I really don’t want people being put off / I want people to know the truth.
I’m always fascinated by people who don’t want to register as an organ donor. Would either of you accept an organ(s) to save your lives?. It’s totally understandable that you’d choose to opt out if your answer is no and you’d quite happily accept that your life is meant to end at whatever age it chooses to. I always think to myself if i was unlucky enough to need any kind of transplant that it’s my duty to register myself as a donor just to balance out my karma should the unthinkable happen. If I die I’m definitely not going to need the organs and it’s a beautiful legacy to leave behind. I can tell you that the recipient NEVER forgets what that selfless person chose to do to save their life.I feel exactly the same. It just doesn’t sit right and I felt bad opting out but it’s what I wanted.
I also give blood & have no issue with that.
Absolutely not, the Hippocratic oath is first “Do no harm” so unless you have a do not resuscitate order in place ICU/A&E doctors will always do everything in their power to save you. You are their patient first and foremost. The transplant team is completely separate and they are called only after consent has been provided by the next of kin. It can take some time between that consent is given and the organs are retrieved. Grieving families are given as long as they like with their deceased relative before harvesting of any kind takes place. The separation between the ICU/A&E team and the transplant team ensures there is no conflict of interest.Ive heard a tonne of people with the same fear and I don’t think it’s stupid at all! I can’t give any insight into it I just wanted to say it’s not silly don’t feel silly for thinking that way! But I’m interested to hear any insight into this.
Wow. Thank you for explaining it in such detail. It has definitely opened my mind up to it more.That is NOT a stupid question at all! But nope, not true at all.
There are so many things going on when a severely unwell person is admitted to intensive care, you don’t go “oh they are a donor - Bob upstairs needs a heart, let’s take this one!”. Here’s an example of an organ donation case:
John (he’s pretend) has a bleed on his brain. Intubated and ventilated by paramedics at the scene because he’s completely unresponsive and unable to breathe. Gets admitted to A&E. Scan shows this is a very severe injury to his brain and it is likely he will not recover, however there is emergency surgery that can be done to give him a slight chance. He is rushed to surgery. Then onto ICU. His blood pressure and ventilator requirements etc are all over the place, it takes hours and much medication to stabilise him. Finally when he is semi stable (yet still critically unwell and unlikely to survive / get to a point where he and his family will be happy with his quality of life) conversations are had about where we go from here (this could be days - a few weeks later!). He’s not making any effort to breathe for himself and he is not responding despite not being on any sedation / drugs that keep him asleep. Family say he would not want to live in a disabled or reliant state. Organ donation is not mentioned at this point at all. Family spend time with him whilst in the background we check if he is on the register. If he is then we contact the specialist organ donation nurses to approach the family and tell them that he is and ask their opinions about going forward with donation. They are not forced into this at all, and are given the opportunity to ask a million questions about the process. If he isn’t on the register then we still contact the specialist organ donation nurses to inform them that we have a patient who is heading towards the end of their life and is a candidate for donation. They then approach the family to ask their opinion - ONLY when the time is right (after they have had time to come to terms with the discussions they have had / spent time with the patient etc). If they do not want to donate, the ventilator and medication sustaining life is removed and the patient passes away with his family around him. If they do want to proceed with donation then the specialist nurses do many further specialist tests on the patient to ascertain if he can donate. The family are made aware of all of this beforehand and have to sign consent forms. The results of all the tests are then sent to a central donation hub where the patients organs are matched to people who are waiting for organs. His heart may be matched to someone in Glasgow, his lungs to someone in London and his liver to someone in Newcastle for example. It’s all anonymous and it does take up to maybe 12 hours or so to get all the tests and matches done. During this time the patient is often unstable so the team fight really hard to keep them “alive” as the organs need to be viable. So definitely not being given up on. Once all of his organs (or the ones that are usable anyway) have been matched and then accepted by the receipt, he is prepared for the operating theatre. This is a massive task in itself. The hospital receiving each organ send their own specialist surgeon and team to retrieve the organ, so many surgical teams travel to the patient for the operation. The family say goodbye to the patient, taking handprints and locks of hair etc if they wish, and then the operation is carried out with such care. The organs then travel to their destination straight away. The family of the patient are contacted the next day by the specialist nurses and for a few months afterwards. They are also offered counselling and bereavement care.
It is such a special and heartwarming process to be involved in. Yes it is incredibly sad, but seeing people act so selflessly during their very worst hours is humbling.
I hope some of that made sense and didn’t offend - upset / bore anyone. I really don’t want people being put off / I want people to know the truth.
I am sorry you went through that, it sounds really scary.Thank you for writing such a thorough account of what happens. I was in a very unfortunate position of battling sepsis a couple of years ago; it was touch and go and after a month in ICU (three weeks on a ventilator/trach) I survived.
As I’m sure you’re aware, when you’re in a medically induced coma you do hear all sorts of conversations, some false, others true. I’m hoping you can help me with one particular memory though. I remember quite clearly some doctors discussing the severity of my sepsis and that if I were to die, they couldn’t use my organs. Is this true or was it just delirium?
I heard an awful lot when I was poorly, but then again, I also went to Israel, Germany, Norway and an all inclusive cruise! I was very, very delirious so some things that happened were very whacky! That said, my mum shouted at me a few times to wake up and think of my children (she died a few years ago) and I was also ‘judged’.That always really haunted me... the idea he could hear but not respond and maybe felt trapped and scared. Did you feel that way??
I can't even imagine what you went through.