“We all know” nothing of the kind. How many Reform voters have you personally talked to?
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I don't need to talk to Reform voters. I can ask ChatGTP:
A significant majority of Reform UK voters hold strong anti-immigration views. According to a 2024 Ipsos/British Future survey, 72% of Reform UK supporters cited immigration as a key issue influencing their vote in the general election, compared to 50% of Conservative voters and 27% of the general public.
Further insights from a YouGov study highlight that 86% of Reform UK voters believe that migrants crossing the English Channel should be immediately removed and barred from returning. Additionally, 78% think multiculturalism has negatively impacted the UK.
These findings underscore that Reform UK voters are outliers in their immigration attitudes, with a more hardline stance compared to supporters of other parties.
While not all Reform UK voters may identify as anti-immigration, the data suggests that a substantial proportion—likely over 70%—hold strong anti-immigration sentiments.
I know a couple I speak to at my local pub. When they've had a few they spout off about "being taken over by people coming over on boats." I offered one time to stand outside with them while they point out the people who are supposedly taking us over but they refused.
There's also a million Reform voters all over social media saying they voted to show that immigration is a big issue. Even the news are focusing on that as part of their discussions
You don't have to go and have in depth discussions with every Reform voter out there to understand that the vast majority are voting for one reason and one reason only
You don't have to go and have in depth discussions with every Reform voter out there to understand that the vast majority are voting for one reason and one reason only
But if you ask if they will do the tit jobs that immigrants do, they don't reply.
Farage doesn't want to win and get into Downing Street, he knows it fall apart in five minutes, and he can make more money drifting on the outside.
The problem is that a lot of the media will only report the most egregious cases they can find of people not being deported, while at the same time ignoring any actual increase in deportations or decrease in the use of hotels. And when those things do get reported once in a blue moon the Reform supporters just say it's lies or that it's not enough.
Yep, and it's like the news reporting on the asylum seekers that are here being moved from hotels to private rented accommodation. They're up in arms, saying they're getting houses over British people etc., but ignoring that it's actually a lot cheaper to house them in private rented accommodation rather than the hotels.
Something I've noticed about Reform voters is their views don't actually hold up. They want the boat stopped, but they can't say how. The most common solution I've come across is them saying to turn them away on the beaches. Okay, cool, so you want every beach along our south coast (from Cornwall up to about Norfolk) into some sort of military operation? So then they say oh, no, of course not, so make France deal with them. And then you ask how they'll compel France to deal with them, and they just say to tell France that we won't deal with them anymore, which is not a deterrent for the French government at all.
It's like they get so close to seeing this is not the simple issue they seem to think it is, but then just get sucked back into "stop the boats!"
The whole tent idea sort of makes me laugh because it’s all based on cruelty
Running these tent sites would still likely be super expensive and depend on selling contracts to private firms to do it
Then, on top of that, you have to consider how they plan to keep everyone accounted for. My understanding is that under the old system where asylum seekers were housed in private accommodation/HMOs (pre-Covid) a lot of them would have a condition to report to the nearest police station every week or so - this still happens with people who are refused asylum from what I have seen. It seems that now because they’re all in hotels and the hotels have rules on everything those conditions have been relaxed because the hotel staff keep track of everyone - I’m pretty sure their financial support depends on this also but I may be wrong on that
So, you throw people into some site and into some tents and then you need to make sure that there’s some way to ensure they’re not disappearing into thin air. Sounds like an administrative nightmare to me personally
Running these tent sites would still likely be super expensive and depend on selling contracts to private firms to do it
Then, on top of that, you have to consider how they plan to keep everyone accounted for. My understanding is that under the old system where asylum seekers were housed in private accommodation/HMOs (pre-Covid) a lot of them would have a condition to report to the nearest police station every week or so - this still happens with people who are refused asylum from what I have seen. It seems that now because they’re all in hotels and the hotels have rules on everything those conditions have been relaxed because the hotel staff keep track of everyone - I’m pretty sure their financial support depends on this also but I may be wrong on that
So, you throw people into some site and into some tents and then you need to make sure that there’s some way to ensure they’re not disappearing into thin air. Sounds like an administrative nightmare to me personally
Yeah, not only is it inhumane, but it also would not work. What are you gonna do? Set up tent cities on the beaches? I'm sure that'll go down well with Reform et al.
There is a serious issue, but there isn't an easy way to fix it.
100%.
Also Reform voters have very selective memories. How can you put your trust in someone to get things done or work in the interests of the everyday person when the only thing in the past they've campaigned on which was implemented (Brexit) was an utter disaster.
Such a fish lipped piss flap.
But this assumes, or implies, that people don’t have actual experiences of mass immigration in their local area. It completely denies the reality that some people are actually living. Not understanding this is where both the mainstream parties have gone badly wrong. I think they are very slowly getting the message but there’s still such an ideological bias - particularly on the left - that “concern about too much immigration = racism”.
Your argument is, “all these people who vote for Reform are too stupid to understand that they’re just being misled by the media”. It’s a deeply patronising argument that has been employed for years now against Brexit voters, Trump voters and now Reform voters, and it doesn’t work any more.
A better approach (IMO) is to put aside one’s own assumptions and get genuinely curious about why large numbers of people - many of whom who previously voted both Tory and Labour - are turning to Reform as an alternative in droves. Have all these people all suddenly become right-wing extremists?
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I want the NHS fixed but I can’t say how. Does that mean I’m not allowed to want it?
We are all perfectly entitled to have strong views and “wants” from our politicians without having to figure out the “hows”. That’s how our system works.
Rumour has it one of my local Reform councillors has profited heavily from asylum seekers by renting them out to Serco
Yes, a lot of them have become right-wing extremists. This shift is not only true of Reform voters; its happening in many parts of the world because its an economic not immigration issue.
I think you should at least have some sort of idea how you would like to see that implemented - for example I would like to see it implemented by ensuring that our doctors and nurses are paid fairly, social care is fixed, GP surgeries actually see patients (preventing the A&E crisis), and I would like this to be funded by an initial windfall tax on the energy companies, as well as continued higher rates of corporation tax on the utility companies, and those with huge amounts of wealth. I would also like to see our CT rules tightened to ensure that foreign corps (like Apple) actually pay tax.
I think if you just blindly vote in this political climate, without any idea how these changes come about, you're doing yourself and society a disservice.
I don't think these elections are a good representation of this just yet
Tories are still suffering from the public losing trust in them. I don't think Badenoch has really done much to re-gain the public's trust but also, they've basically had to battle the media focusing on Reform, and any work they do now will probably be forgotten quickly anyway
I don't live in one of these Labour strongholds so can't speak on what may be going on there. However, it seems that their losses even in places like Durham aren't that "huge".
Notable that Conservatives seem to be in the "other" box as part of Durham.
Is it strategic voting at play here? Oxfordshire is the only notable one imo because it looks like Labour could have done well there, but again not my local area so can't say much
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I think Reform also benefits from the only right-leaning party being Conservatives. All the left-leaning parties are basically fighting amongst themselves
I really like this idea. I don’t know if my experience counts as any sort of proof but this is how my views have changed:
Maybe a decade ago, if you’d asked me about Farage/UKIP/Brexit Party etc I’d have said: “all a nasty bunch of right wing facists, hateful idiots”
I was a remainer, europhile, liberal left wing type voter.
My in-laws are, husband is etc.
Now, at that time, I lived in a different area of the country - north west England, an area that was relatively diverse, not hugely affluent but not run down.
I got married, ended up living in a not so sparkly area of North Wales that’s been ruined by lack of investment, unemployment and over the last 5 or 6 years an unsustainable amount of immigration from Eastern European countries.
All our local shops have disappeared, all replaced by Eastern European supermarkets, vape shops and nail bars. The street we live on, English/Welsh speaking locals are the minority. You’re more likely to hear a Polish or Romanian language spoken when you step out the front door.
There’s no community or integration anymore and no sense of local bonds. I often feel threatened and scared and don’t go out alone anymore - we get lots of groups of single Eastern European young men hanging round on the streets causing issues.
We regularly have to get the police and social services out to our Romanian neighbours because of their awful behaviour towards each other and their children. It’s scary.
My opinions therefore have altered somewhat. I don’t think mass immigration works. Do I think we need some migration? Yes. Do I think it’s sustainable at the levels it’s at? No. Does that make me a right wing bigot? NO. It makes me someone who has seen both ends of the scale and has moderated my view.
If you asked my in-laws who live in an affluent area of NW England with little to no migration and in an almost exclusively white, British middle class street - they’d tell you that ‘all migrants and refugees are welcome’ - but funnily enough, they don’t want to come and visit us here, because it’s a ‘bit rough…’ and make fun of the fact their son and daughter in law are living in a terraced house in a run down area.
My husband is hanging on to the liberal, left wing - mustn’t say anything bad about immigrants, but he’s not happy here either.
Right, sorry for the ramble…
My small town is the same, but without immigration. The reason this is happen is because of 14 years of Tory misrule.