I don't know much about politics but I detest Sturgeon and her super injunctions and hypocrisy over wanting independence from the union and yet wanting to remain with the EU. Will she give Scottish voters a referendum regarding the EU should Scotland win independence from England?
Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU, so why would she do that?I don't know much about politics but I detest Sturgeon and her super injunctions and hypocrisy over wanting independence from the union and yet wanting to remain with the EU. Will she give Scottish voters a referendum regarding the EU should Scotland win independence from England?
I think it's risky making assumptions like that and treating a country as one amalgamation. The vote was 62% to 38% with 1/3rd not bothering to vote in 2016. Wouldn't take much to swing that into 45% 55% territory. Nicola was another one saying how awful it was the UK left the EU because they wouldn't be part of the EU vaccine programme wasn't she?Scotland is happy to be in the EU.
I've been thinking about it for a while, but thought with recent events it's needed. It's all pretty tribal but hopefully we can have a sensible discussion on this - we manage to on the Johnson and Trump threads.Been hoping a thread might pop up for this lot!
To use her own words, maybe "because it's materially changed since the last vote"?Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU, so why would she do that?
But will Scotland meet the EU membership criteria should it get independence from GB? Turkey have been trying to apply for membership for years. So I would imagine Scotland will have to go through the same membership process, which again might take yearsAssuming she did I imagine it would be has heavily in the remain camp as last time. Scotland is happy to be in the EU.
Hopefully we can have a conversation about this without it going into chaos with a bit of agree to disagree. I speak as someone who's family can't meet without an argument breaking out over it. Lot's of it runs so deep and people won't ever change their stance, which I get.Can see this thread ending up in arguments because if there’s any snp voters and diehard sturgeon fans that see this they will be livid, they are absolutely unbearable and cult-like if anyone questions the snp. I’m Scottish and always lived here, know many people who are pro independence and they are all the same, and I know quite a few that voted for brexit because you know, independence?! But that tune quickly changed when it didn’t suit anymoredon’t know what it will take to vote them out of parliament, seems like too many people here who will just vote snp no matter what!
Yeah sorry, after I wrote it I actually thought I’ll probably come back to tattle tomorrow with 10 quote messages from the exact people Iv just written about, and I have had way too many arguments about it in real life, not something I need online tooHopefully we can have a conversation about this without it going into chaos with a bit of agree to disagree. I speak as someone who's family can't meet without an argument breaking out over it. Lot's of it runs so deep and people won't ever change their stance, which I get.
Edit: ah sorry I see you've deleted this since I quoted!
Yeah I'm a bit the same, generally I wouldn't post on a thread like this as little good comes from it. But things are a bit different with the hearing, maybe!?I have had way too many arguments about it in real life, not something I need online too
Thats the thing though - I am anti-Independence but voted SNP at the last election. As a natural Labour voter there was no way I was voting Corbin, have never voted Tory in my life (and never will), anyone else is a wasted vote. Until Labour get their act together and start behaving like an actual socialist party, I'm afraid the SNP are winners by default.It's not possible to have a political conversation with half my family, as they idolise Sturgeon and the SNP. And indeed Salmond, so recent events must have shaken them somewhat!
I think there's a number of good things the SNP have done, but they seem to inspire a cult like devotion, so their supporters attack anyone who looks at their policies with a critical eye. Not sure we have any decent alternatives in Scotland though ... I might be more inclined towards independence if it wasn't entirely driven by the SNP.
In the last 2 elections I have tactically voted against the SNP so voted Lib Dem, but snp win by a landslide in my constituencyThats the thing though - I am anti-Independence but voted SNP at the last election. As a natural Labour voter there was no way I was voting Corbin, have never voted Tory in my life (and never will), anyone else is a wasted vote. Until Labour get their act together and start behaving like an actual socialist party, I'm afraid the SNP are winners by default.
The Scottish Labour party are so bad I'm starting to think they are actually run by the SNP - its the only explanation.
Not just you - she is not at all welcoming, especially not to English people. The subtle xenophobia in Scotland makes me want to leave at times.I don’t have much input but one thing that bugs me about Sturgeon is how unwelcoming she’s making Scotland seem. Is it just me? I know we shouldn’t be going there at the moment anyway, but even before, she made it seem like we’d be shot for going over the border! She’s changed the image I have of Scotland in my head like I’m just not welcome.
We normally go to the Scottish Islands each year (obviously not last year and cancelled this years trip as well). But I have to admit from the vibe on the facebook groups of the places we go to I have got a massive 'Your not welcome' vibe.I don’t have much input but one thing that bugs me about Sturgeon is how unwelcoming she’s making Scotland seem. Is it just me? I know we shouldn’t be going there at the moment anyway, but even before, she made it seem like we’d be shot for going over the border! She’s changed the image I have of Scotland in my head like I’m just not welcome.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?