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judgejohndeed

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Not your fault at all. I mean obviously a man who has cheated and doesn’t want to take responsibility (or he would’ve told his gf himself) is going to try to shift the blame to the nearest person, this time you. I would be pissed at my partner being too spineless to stand up for me with his friends though ngl. Maybe next time they say ‘she’ll get us dumped’ smile and say ‘only if you cheat and lie about it again :)’ I would!
 
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Flossy2019

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No you aren’t in the wrong. She deserved know. He was never gonna tell her was he let’s face it. He’s just annoyed you told her and then thought he’d be spiteful and turn it around on you ... I don’t really have much advice about the holiday as if it was me I would probably ignore him as he sounds like a dick
 
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BettyCrocker

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Can I ask how old you all are? I’m assuming you are all early 20s???

I would honestly just take it all down a level - stop letting it stress you out! Your boyfriend needs to stop relaying what’s being said between his friends to you - I really don’t understand why he keeps drip feeding these comments to you that the others are saying?? There’s no need. It just looks like the kind of juvenile “banter” that goes on between young guys - it’s just nonsense.

you just need to see Jacob and get it over with - it might be uncomfortable and you might never be friendly but equally it might not be as awful as you are imaging. Whatever happens though you have to be able to stand up for yourself and give a bit of banter back if something was brought up.
 
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Kandy floss

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Just a little update: I spoke to Sam about standing up for me. He said he will not lose his friends a second time and won’t stand up for me on the group chat. He said it’s just boys banter and I need to toughen up. That hurt a little but I’m trying to move on from it...

It’s sad but my bf still feels I got Jacob dumped. He said “yeah he cheated, but for your actions directly got him dumped”, and then he switches and said “you did the right thing morally though”. I just don’t understand

I’m trying super hard to just act normal. He said he’s going to tell his friends that I’m in Dubai same time as them and study their reaction. If they act annoyed and say they don’t want to meet me, then I won’t come to the outing and I’ll stay home with his parents. If they act fine, he will bring me. But he’s told me not to react to anything they say or “cause issues”, unless it’s something justifiable.

I don’t know what to say, and don’t know if I’m being treated fairly here...I’m just lost and anxious really. But we’ve had a few fights lately and I don’t want to seem like I’m getting on his back and getting angry with everything (hence trying to pick my battles)
Honestly I'd probably leave my boyfriend if I were you, I don't think he's treating you fairly at all
 
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Gembo

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The only person who did anything wrong was Jacob. If he hadn’t have cheated none of the rest of it would ever have happened. He’s responsible for all of it. I can completely empathise with the position you were in, it’s horrible you were put there. People don’t like to admit that they’re the bad person in a story so of course Jacob would blame you. Pathetic though that he can completely overlook how he created the whole situation. Maybe he’s grown up a bit by now, he might be a bit different towards you in person. But hold your head up high, you are not the villain of this story!
 
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muggedoff

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You sound pretty dead set on pretending everything is okay since your boyfriend is but I’m going to have to tell it to you straight.

If I was you I wouldn’t be wasting my time worrying about others relationships when you have enough mess at home. This so called boyfriend of yours is more attached to a man who cheats and lies to his female partners than he is to you, someone who he claims to love. He’s so “weak” (I doubt he’s actually that weak but whatever) that he won’t defend his girlfriends name when his friends insult and make fun of you. Just thinking about him sitting there like a pansy while his friends are rude about you to his face angers me and I don’t even know you. He has no respect for you at all and seems to lack empathy.

If he’s as weak and soft as you’re saying I’d be worried that this Jacob has coerced him to cheat a few times. You know how pack minded men are, they love copying and one upping each other and your boyfriend probably thinks it’s cool to cheat since he looks up to Jacob so much. What’s that saying “show me who your friends are, I’ll tell you who you are”...

Ultimately your values don’t align with Sam and you need to think about whether you want to waste any more time, or even risk being tied down, to someone who has completely different morals from you. The guilt of the cheating situation was affecting you negatively emotionally (it sounds like you could be an empath) so much that you had to do something while your boyfriend didn’t not have the same response. It’s not a man v woman thing it’s a morality thing. You’re a good woman and you deserve a good, honest, BRAVE man. You’re so young don’t waste your time with this dud.
 
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judgejohndeed

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I was really upset he doesn’t stand up for me. It hurts deep down. Also these comments aren’t face to face, they’re over messenger, and Sam tells me about them and laughs along and says it’s “just a joke”. I try not to react just to keep the peace but I don’t know how much longer I can ignore it.

I am no where near ballsy enough to say that 😂 I wish I was! But sadly no...I would probably just turn red and ignore it. Sam wouldn’t say anything either
Yeah that would be a big issue for me tbh I’m not surprised you’re upset! He also agreed with you to tell this girl so I’m not sure why he thinks it’s acceptable to let his friends mildly bully you over what sounds like a joint decision? Have you had a serious chat about how that makes you feel because shy or not I think that’s really disrespectful personally.
 
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Im really sorry this is long but I’ll try and condense it, any help is greatly appreciated! I’ll change the names too...

My bf and I Sam have been together for 4 years. In our first year of a relationship, he introduced me to his best friend, Jacob. We all got along great, and Jacob told me about his girlfriend at university, Lauren. I had never met Lauren, but knew of her and she knew who I was too. We were all discussing double dating, going out together etc.

One night Jacob and Sam were planning a boys night out and decided to experiment with drugs. Sam never takes drugs, and wanted to experiment once, so I finally agreed if it was only once. I don’t want to condone drugs, but would like to say, this has only happened once and will never happen again. Anyway, Lauren is very very against ANY drugs (even smoking). The boys went out and I was at home, and Lauren messaged me on Instagram (at this point I had never spoken to her directly, only through Jacob, about her). She frantically asked me if the boys were doing drugs, she told me someone in her family had died of an overdose before and she was very against drugs. She had asked Jacob not to do drugs and he promised her he wouldn’t. I felt a bit guilty and thought it was pretty shitty of Jacob to lie, so yes I told Lauren the truth. I told her it was a one time thing, as Sam had told me. Anyway, she obviously told Jacob she knew, and Jacob was pissed off for a bit at me. Lauren didn’t talk to Jacob for a bit but eventually they resolved things. And things got back to normal with all of us. I didn’t talk to Jacob much, however Lauren and I became close.

We would message on Instagram like friends, just generally and she told me stuff about her relationship, asked about mine etc. About a year later, Sam and I were talking in bed. Btw I would like to point out, Sam tells me pretty much everything, we have no secrets from each other. He told me that recently Jacob went on a night out with a guy and a girl from their university. He ended up having sex with the girl he went out with but told Lauren he had only kissed her. I was pretty shocked as him and Lauren had been together for a while now, and told Sam that was disgusting of him. Sam agreed with me and I asked him why he’s friends with a scumbag. Sam is quite shy and doesn’t have many close friends, he’s been friends with Jacob since they were kids and finds it hard to cut ties if he doesn’t agree with his behaviour, as sometimes our friends do shit things.

Anyway, a few days later, Lauren messaged me and said she knew Jacob had kissed a girl on a night out, called Amy. However she doesn’t know if she believes him. She said she had a gut feeling it was more than this, but Jacob insists it was just a kiss. She had messaged Amy and begged her to just tell her if it was a kiss or more, however Amy just said “I don’t want to get involved in your relationship, please stop messaging me” (totally against girl code btw). Lauren asked me if Sam had told me anything about it.

This was a huge dilemma for me. I told Sam about this and said I wouldn’t do anything unless he gave me the green light. Sam said if I told Lauren what happened it would effectively ruin his relationship with Jacob forever. But Lauren was my friend now, not a stranger. I asked Sam how he would feel if he was in her position, or if I had cheated on him, and people weren’t telling him. After some talking, he said I could tell Lauren. I told her, she effectively dumped Jacob and Jacob cut ties with Sam for telling me and “causing him to get dumped”.

Sam blamed me for a bit, which was shitty, so I got quite upset with him, but he can see now how the person to really blame was Jacob. Anyway, a positive from this is, Lauren and I became great friends, we visited each other often and kept in touch. But the story doesn’t end there...

So fast forward to this year. After two years of working it out, Jacob and Sam became friends again. I don’t talk to Jacob anymore, but Sam talks to him a lot. Turns out Jacob had told their friendship group what happened, with his own personal spin on it, basically making it look like I purposefully meddled in Jacob and Lauren’s relationship from the start and fed ideas into Lauren’s head about dumping him. They also all make running jokes like “better not let (me) meet any of our girlfriends, she’ll get us dumped!” And they refuse to talk about girls they’re dating in front of Sam, in case he tells me and I “meddle” again. This is actually really hurtful because at the time I felt like I was doing the right thing...I don’t tell Sam but this does really upset me. Sadly he doesn’t stick up for me in fear of falling out with them and I don’t want to push him because like I said he’s really shy and doesn’t have many friends and I know it would get him really depressed to start confrontation with them (they’re very toxic masculinity).

So for that reason I distance myself from Sam’s friends. Anyway, soon, Sam and I are going to visit his parents in a different country and his friends will be there. I haven’t seen Jacob for years, before the whole cheating thing and I’ve never met the others.

My questions are, what should I do? I’m scared, anxious, worried...did I do the wrong thing? Am I an awful person? I feel like they think I’m a bitchy, evil, interfering girlfriend and I’m far from it...I still feel so bad about what happened, so any advice is welcomed

Thank you xxx
 
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JoeBloggs

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I am going to take a bit of a different view here. Ultimately if Sam sees a future with you he should support you.

But looking at this factually, the boys and Sam have been friends long before you and should anything happen between you two, he will want his friends after. Two, you never met this Lauren girl, she wasn't your friend to start with so from the boys point of view you gave her information that wasn't yours to give (both on the drugs and the cheating). You had to persuade Sam to let you tell Lauren which put Sam in a difficult position. The boys probably feel betrayed by Sam as this was not necessarily information they wanted you to know. Jacob probably saw that you interfered in his relationship twice when it perhaps wasn't your place. Sam then worked hard to win his friends trust back because he told you secrets that perhaps he shouldn't have done.

From what you have said, I do not think your boyfriend sees you as equal to his friends and to me this means he does not see a future per-say. He either needs to grow some balls and stand up to them and explain or he's not worth your time. While my husbands friends were complete twats towards me, he stuck up for me and was ready to lose them over me. Sam is not. I think you need to think about this, and if you can't socialise with his friends how is that going to effect things like weddings etc.
 
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JoeBloggs

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He does need to grow up and stand up to them, but I know if I insist he stands up to them, he won’t let me go to the outing in fear of me starting trouble and I won’t overcome my fear of facing them
Sorry but this is not okay, you want him to do things he's not happy to do and he is controlling what you can and can't do. You both need to be on the same team as a partnership.
 
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Lulu Goss

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This might not be what you want to hear, but I don’t think your boyfriends being very fair to you

He said it’s your actions that got Jacob dumped but Jacob cheating got him dumped. Your boyfriend told you at the time that you could tell the girlfriend so he needs to have your back now.

Jacob sounds immature and although boys have banter on group chats, your boyfriend needs to stick up for you more if it’s making you uncomfortable. You should be able to go out with his group of friends without being this worried about it. I would tell him that you’re not telling him he shouldn’t have banter with his friends, but if things are being said about you that crosses the line he needs to stand up for you and tell his friends he won’t listen to them talking about you, whether it’s “banter” or not.
 
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No you aren’t in the wrong. She deserved know. He was never gonna tell her was he let’s face it. He’s just annoyed you told her and then thought he’d be spiteful and turn it around on you ... I don’t really have much advice about the holiday as if it was me I would probably ignore him as he sounds like a dick
I’m trying to get out of meeting them, even though I know eventually I will have to face them. I just have severe anxiety about it.

I know if I didn’t tell Lauren, she probably would have found out eventually and dumped him anyway. He just wanted someone to blame, and unfortunately everyone blamed me
 
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If you say so...

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Unpopular opinion from me perhaps - keep your nose out of other peoples business. I’m sure you don’t want to get tarnished with the busy body brush. You had no duty to this girl and it all sounds very immature. They won’t last; and if they do so what?🤷🏼‍♀️ Their relationship problems are nothing to do with you.

Don’t beat yourself up, just take it as a life lesson and move on! Xx
 
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Hendrix

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Honestly I'd probably leave my boyfriend if I were you, I don't think he's treating you fairly at all
Agree with this, your boyfriend sounds very immature and seems to forget he’s the one who told you what Jacob did.

If he really loved and cared about you he wouldn’t let his mates talk about you like that, and lads banter is not an excuse.

Fuck Jacob and fuck your boyfriend 👋🏼
 
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allforthegram

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Just a little update: I spoke to Sam about standing up for me. He said he will not lose his friends a second time and won’t stand up for me on the group chat. He said it’s just boys banter and I need to toughen up. That hurt a little but I’m trying to move on from it...

It’s sad but my bf still feels I got Jacob dumped. He said “yeah he cheated, but for your actions directly got him dumped”, and then he switches and said “you did the right thing morally though”. I just don’t understand

I’m trying super hard to just act normal. He said he’s going to tell his friends that I’m in Dubai same time as them and study their reaction. If they act annoyed and say they don’t want to meet me, then I won’t come to the outing and I’ll stay home with his parents. If they act fine, he will bring me. But he’s told me not to react to anything they say or “cause issues”, unless it’s something justifiable.

I don’t know what to say, and don’t know if I’m being treated fairly here...I’m just lost and anxious really. But we’ve had a few fights lately and I don’t want to seem like I’m getting on his back and getting angry with everything (hence trying to pick my battles)
He should be bringing you to the outing anyway if it’s a couples thing... not seeing whether they approve, either everyone move on or have it out face to face especially if this is something that happened a while ago.
In my opinion sam needs to grow a pair of bollocks and stand up for you his girlfriend, If he’s not prepared to stand up for you then that would make me question whether this is someone I see myself with in the future.
 
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Sosig

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Jacob sounds like the biggest dickhead going.

You may be the main character in this situation but Jacob is the villain!

You have nothing to worry about, hold your head up high 💕
 
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Flossy2019

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I’m trying to get out of meeting them, even though I know eventually I will have to face them. I just have severe anxiety about it.

I know if I didn’t tell Lauren, she probably would have found out eventually and dumped him anyway. He just wanted someone to blame, and unfortunately everyone blamed me
Is there no way you can go and avoid him? You don’t owe him anything. I would avoid at all costs but that’s just me. Or simply not go. But then I suppose you don’t want to miss out on missing the family etc. Just go and pretend he is Invisible. Maybe speak to your boyfriend and tell him you’re really anxious about it and I hope he supports you. You did nothing wrong remember that!
 
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I have been in similar situations. My boyfriend has close friends and they have gfs so I’ve became close with the girls. It’s really hard to actually have those friendships as true friendships though because there will inevitably come a time where you have to choose your loyalties. I’ve always said to my bf if I ever hear anything about one of the girls I am close to I would put it more on the bf to tell her. For example go to jacob and say I know what happened, tell her or I will. I have also gotten in hot water from being too close to bfs friends girlfriends. It’s hard especially when you click with someone. But at the end of the day even though my bf would be mad if I made him and his friends fall out if it came down to it and I was in the right morally I know he would choose me and back me any day. He wouldn’t let anyone say shit or speak to me badly. Your bf does not have your back and sounds spineless. In the future if for example there was a family argument, you need to be with someone who will back you 1000% always
 
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Babysnark

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You sound pretty dead set on pretending everything is okay since your boyfriend is but I’m going to have to tell it to you straight.

If I was you I wouldn’t be wasting my time worrying about others relationships when you have enough mess at home. This so called boyfriend of yours is more attached to a man who cheats and lies to his female partners than he is to you, someone who he claims to love. He’s so “weak” (I doubt he’s actually that weak but whatever) that he won’t defend his girlfriends name when his friends insult and make fun of you. Just thinking about him sitting there like a pansy while his friends are rude about you to his face angers me and I don’t even know you. He has no respect for you at all and seems to lack empathy.

If he’s as weak and soft as you’re saying I’d be worried that this Jacob has coerced him to cheat a few times. You know how pack minded men are, they love copying and one upping each other and your boyfriend probably thinks it’s cool to cheat since he looks up to Jacob so much. What’s that saying “show me who your friends are, I’ll tell you who you are”...

Ultimately your values don’t align with Sam and you need to think about whether you want to waste any more time, or even risk being tied down, to someone who has completely different morals from you. The guilt of the cheating situation was affecting you negatively emotionally (it sounds like you could be an empath) so much that you had to do something while your boyfriend didn’t not have the same response. It’s not a man v woman thing it’s a morality thing. You’re a good woman and you deserve a good, honest, BRAVE man. You’re so young don’t waste your time with this dud.
This is so spot on for what I think too. I know you don't want to hear it but my first gut instinct reading is that your boyfriend is really immature.
 
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