No. I never knew about this. Is it recent?
No. I never knew about this. Is it recent?Has anyone watched the Laytoya reality show? Its just appeared on my YouTube suggestions, shes an odd one
They’re all odd to be honest with you. Jermaine Jackson’s son is called ‘Jermajesty’ as in ‘yes, your majesty’. WTF?Has anyone watched the Laytoya reality show? Its just appeared on my YouTube suggestions, shes an odd one
How does proven innocent work? It’s not the same as not guilty.Michael is 100% innocent. People say “ innocent untill proven guilty “ he was proven innocent yet people still insist on dragging this up all the time. these people claiming years later are after one thing and that is money.
Let the man rest.
Show me the evidence he done it. There is none but what there is, is parents on phone calls saying they will destroy him, past attempts for parents of false sexual claims, Gavins mother was took back to court for this, also welfare fraud. She saw a opportunity and took it. Money speaks.. she chose money over her child because didn’t gavin cut all contact with his parents after this? This kid was made to say these lies to fill the pocket of his parents.How does proven innocent work? It’s not the same as not guilty.
Unfortunately, many SA cases don’t even make it to prosecution stage - and if they do, they are notoriously difficult to prove.
No, 2013. Only 1 season but full episodes are on YouTubeNo. I never knew about this. Is it recent?
I know Chandler cut ties with his parents. Probably because they made him say stuff which didn't happen.Show me the evidence he done it. There is none but what there is, is parents on phone calls saying they will destroy him, past attempts for parents of false sexual claims, Gavins mother was took back to court for this, also welfare fraud. She saw a opportunity and took it. Money speaks.. she chose money over her child because didn’t gavin cut all contact with his parents after this? This kid was made to say these lies to fill the pocket of his parents.
Plenty people who have nothing to gain financially from this have said Michael we nothing but a child in a man’s body. I don’t agree with him sharing a bed with a child but as far as sexual abuse goes I 100% believe he didn’t touch them.
Yes I know plenty about sa cases I’ve been thru this and let me tell you money was the last thing on my mind, I wanted justice.
You may think this wrong of me but I feel for him. All this when the man is in his grave and can’t defend his self. A one sided story is better then two sided when it comes to trying to getting £££.
Thank you. I'll watch over the weekendNo, 2013. Only 1 season but full episodes are on YouTube
Its awful but good at the same time. Classic reality rubbishThank you. I'll watch over the weekend
My type of TV thenIts awful but good at the same time. Classic reality rubbish
I obviously can’t show you any evidence, but I will absolutely judge him for his predatory behaviour.Show me the evidence he done it. There is none but what there is, is parents on phone calls saying they will destroy him, past attempts for parents of false sexual claims, Gavins mother was took back to court for this, also welfare fraud. She saw a opportunity and took it. Money speaks.. she chose money over her child because didn’t gavin cut all contact with his parents after this? This kid was made to say these lies to fill the pocket of his parents.
Plenty people who have nothing to gain financially from this have said Michael we nothing but a child in a man’s body. I don’t agree with him sharing a bed with a child but as far as sexual abuse goes I 100% believe he didn’t touch them.
Yes I know plenty about sa cases I’ve been thru this and let me tell you money was the last thing on my mind, I wanted justice.
You may think this wrong of me but I feel for him. All this when the man is in his grave and can’t defend his self. A one sided story is better then two sided when it comes to trying to getting £££.
Also - worth noting - he had immense power and wealth to make these things go away. Something none of the victims have. When you hear the words of his lawyer who is on the Megan Kelly show the other day his words were very brutal. If you were a victim even contemplating accusing Jackson, you would probably curl up in a ball and never dare speak of it after hearing him speak,,because he literally said he would crush them.I obviously can’t show you any evidence, but I will absolutely judge him for his predatory behaviour.
As many have already said - it is very likely that some accusations made against him have been false, but that does not make all the accusations false. There will also be many who never will speak up or speak out.
There was also heavy manipulation at play. He will have had child “friends” who were not abused - good cover, as they will always be able to say he never touched them.
We can judge his behaviour, as adults - knowing that there is no innocent reason, for him to insist on having children sleep alone with him in his bed.
Micheal Jackson was also rumoured to be “ shagging “ lots of woman to, his former bodyguard who I will add didn’t get paid for his work stated Michael had woman after woman, he said the hardest thing to do was to sneak them in. Michael couldn’t party, he’s was so famous that he was flocked by thousands where ever he went.Also - worth noting - he had immense power and wealth to make these things go away. Something none of the victims have. When you hear the words of his lawyer who is on the Megan Kelly show the other day his words were very brutal. If you were a victim even contemplating accusing Jackson, you would probably curl up in a ball and never dare speak of it after hearing him speak,,because he literally said he would crush them.
Plus you have all of his fans who are…… VERY dedicated to the cause, let’s just put it that way. I mean you’re going to have a force of reckoning whether the accusations are true or false. Most of them must know this. That isn’t going be easy money. They are going to have his fans on their backs like a monkey on their shoulder for the rest of their life.
Michael put himself in this predicament. You do NOT have small kids over for sleepovers when you are a fully grown man. Did Madonna have 5-10 year old girls over for slumber parties, dressing them up like her and watching The Labyrinth? No. She was partying and shagging lots of people because she was a grown adult woman.
I’m afraid, I hear more impartiality from the people who are willing to question Michael Jackson’s legacy, than I do from his fans (fan being short for fanatic), who will fervently defend him. The fact of the matter is no one knows, other than his accusers, and certainly not ‘100%’.Micheal Jackson was also rumoured to be “ shagging “ lots of woman to, his former bodyguard who I will add didn’t get paid for his work stated Michael had woman after woman, he said the hardest thing to do was to sneak them in. Michael couldn’t party, he’s was so famous that he was flocked by thousands where ever he went.
These are all money grabbing parasites.. you may think that is harsh but it’s true. Do you really think if there was no money to be had they’d be spitting these lies.. what’s Michael legacy worth now? 3.5 billion?
I hope these lawyers that are defending Michaels estate rip their lies apart, maybe they could chuck in a few acting lessons to.
Thank you, like I say I don’t know what to think and I’m really open to hearing these views.Again, a victim can be groomed for years into thinking nothing wrong and it is only years later, they realise they were abused. Go to any site that deals with this kind of thing and you wouldn't believe some of the stories about it. Years back I remember a story in the paper about a woman finding videos of him abusing their grandkids who were adults at the time, yet they still denied he had done anything wrong to them. Even after he himself put his hands up, while one of them finally admitted what had happened, the other two were begging the courts not to jail him because he had screwed with their heads so much and even in their 20s, believed this was how grandfathers showed their love. My point is every victim is different in how they react to abuse.
As for why they are coming forward now, unlike murder, there is a time period for when you can report sexual assault/abuse. It's only in the last few years that some places including California have wiggled things about so even if it was years back, you can report it depending on certain circumstances. That's why we are hearing about so many victims coming forward now...because they did try to before but were told no.
As for the money thing...how many stories have we heard about victims/ their families told their cases weren't going to court because it didn't meet the standard of what was needed so instead they went the other route because they wanted it on record the accuser DID do what they were accused of and when they were found guilty, the victims were awarded damages because of what they went through? This isn't any different in my opinion. If he did what he was accused of...that will have fucked his victims up and meant years of therapy and other things needed to help them try to cope so if that means it is proven and they get damages then so be it.
What does the fact the the film was successful prove? That the Jackson estate have very good PR and lawyers, and have been able to bury the bad publicity?I don't either. Seems a lot feel the same. Look at the success of the movie. No one predicted that. I've seen It twice and think I might go again before the run ends
Yes there is plenty of die hard fans that would still defend him even if they had evidence, I am not one of them. I wasn’t and I’m still not a die hard fan, do I like some of his music? Yes but that’s as far as it goes. If Michael was guilty it doesn’t “ destroy “ me like it would all his fans, but again no evidence of abuse. The claims of these abused kids don’t add up, times past behaviours ect ect.I’m afraid, I hear more impartiality from the people who are willing to question Michael Jackson’s legacy, than I do from his fans (fan being short for fanatic), who will fervently defend him. The fact of the matter is no one knows, other than his accusers, and certainly not ‘100%’.
Many of the people on this thread have already disclosed that they were fans of Michael Jackson, or there is a part of them that is still able to appreciate his artistry, but still question his very dubious behaviour.
Much like any contentious issue, if people are not prepared to question the status quo, and face the possibility that their own belief system MAY be shattered, then I would question why, and certainly wouldn’t entertain their POV.
Yeah, I don't get that part either. I do want to see the film myself, and I fully believe Jackson was a very powerful pedophile with a fondness for boys.What does the fact the the film was successful prove? That the Jackson estate have very good PR and lawyers, and have been able to bury the bad publicity?
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