Lucy Letby Case #73

[jolt321]

I didn’t say anywhere that people defending vociferously her are not ghoulish both ends of the spectrum would fit the criteria in my opinion. This thread is just dominated by those who agree with the verdict. I just saw the thread and had a read and shared my thoughts. I’m as entitled as anybody else to an opinion. It makes sense that those who are very interested and/or with strong feelings are very active on a thread about it and those with less intense feelings are not as actively interested enough to post regularly.

This thread is more or less made up of people who followed the entirety of the trail and the daily live reporting. I would say the opinion of most users on here is much better informed than the likes of Nadine Dorries and anyone else that has questioned the verdict in the media yet doesn't seem to have a clue about it. There's a reason why more or less everyone is in agreement that Letby is guilty and that's because she is. Pop over to websleuths where the users scrutinized each piece of evidence in detail and you will see the same: basically everyone in agreement with Letbys' guilt. Lucyletby Reddit is the same. Followed from day 1 and it's a massively guilty consensus.

Do you see the pattern there? People that followed the trial from the beginning concluding that Letby is guilty Vs people that seem to skim read details and decide there's something not right. Twitter is full of them. They have mostly foud out about the trial afterwards

I think it was important to be able to follow the trial as it was happening.

And while im at it, the insulin evidence is conclusive. The test was the same used to convict Beverley Allitt. Even the people that think there has been a miscarriage cannot explain it. Baby F was given exogenous insulin. The test is more than 99% accurate. The babies had sustained hypoglycemia confirmed by multiples blood tests. That hypoglycemia had a cause. The insulin and c peptides were tested and there is a clear discrepancy pointing towards administered insulin rather than a naturally occurring insulinoma or other causes. This is why it’s not a false lab result: you have the symptomatology, it resolved when the bags were changed (meaning the source of insulin was removed) and there was no special treatment given beyond dextrose to correct the blood sugar deficiency/counteracting the effects of insulin.

Letby was the sole signer of the TPN bag and hung the medication for baby F. She was not the designated nurse for baby F. She then falsified the reading. She recorded the only "normal" reading in 18 hours, just before she left.

There's no innocent explanation for that.

 

[DianaBanana]

This whole case is fucking heartbreaking, not only because, every parent of every child that she’s ever cared for is now going to have concerns.

Particularly parents of babies that have died but aren’t part of the case. Those parents are always going to wonder if their precious babies would have lived if they’d had a different nurse. How do you ever get over that??… I fucking ate her!!

The people defending her because she’s blonde and average looking (I refuse to say attractive because she’s fucking not), can absolutely fuck off. They’re either thick as shit and incapable of critical thinking, or they haven’t looked at the evidence. Their opinions do not matter.

Even the so called experts that are piping up now, they haven’t actually reviewed the evidence. Some didn’t even follow the fucking trial! Yet they seem to think that their shit opinions are worth listening to, above professionals like Dewi Evans and Sandie Bohin, who gave up years of their lives to examine every piece of evidence available before reaching their conclusions. I know who I’d rather listen to.

Imagine being that arrogant that you think you know better than the people who have actually examined every piece of evidence available. That your ‘bright idea’ might stand up to scrutiny in a court of law. That Ben Myers, one of the best KCs in the country, might just have overlooked your essential piece of evidence that could have changed the outcome of the entire trial, just because he isn’t as clever as you ()…Honestly fuck those people. It’s quite funny it’s so ridiculous!

Grifters trying to make a name for themselves. Let’s be honest, anyone worth listening to would have been involved in the trial in the first place. Anyone else is trying to make a name for themselves. And if they need to use dead babies to do that, absolutely fuck them.

For example, Richard fucking Gill. Eye roll please. He’s been trying to insert himself into this trial from the start. Before the trial even began, he’d made up his mind that it was a stitch up based on incorrect statistics (a clear bias that was formed on previous cases he had been involved in). I saw his posts on websleuths early on (before he got banned), where he was being lauded as a statistical expert that was going to free this poor nurse who had been incorrectly accused. He hadn’t even heard the opening statements. How can he have an unbiased opinion at that point? The fact is, he had already made up his mind. He eventually got banned from the site.

15 WHO is all that matters She’s never getting out, and also, she’s really fucking ugly now

Nobody wants to drink Prosecco with her. She doesn’t leave sparkles anywhere she goes. Live, laugh, die in fucking prison with mousy hair you boring bitch. Fuck her

 

[O'lee]

Myers will be delighted that he doesn't have to represent Letby anymore

 

[Tilly Kister]

Find these threads quite interesting, there has always been a strong ‘guilty’ bias in the regular posters here. I’m not sure I recall anyone being convinced by the trial I feel there was a strong confirmation bias in the presented evidence and if in this happened ‘pro guilty’ forum I could see the same in a more ‘NG’ leaning environment as the evidence was all circumstantial.

Strange how the NG camp are all describe as ‘nutters’ essentially when the pro-guilty camp had its only band of very dedicated followers e.g I can’t imagine going to court of trial I’m not related to directly. There’s something slightly ghoulish about it and the level of investment (aware how hypocritical I am by posting on this thread now).

I personally have been undecided throughout of her guilt and I think I would struggle to find her ‘guilty beyond reasonable doubt’ if I was on the jury. I honestly don’t feel I have a ‘camp’ I am truly undecided it’s not that I feel she is innocent more that I am not convinced by the evidence presented of her guilt.

I followed the case from the very early days when there were reports in the media naming her. To begin with I was incredibly sceptical. I have little faith in the British judicial system and even less in British policing. Added to that one of the accusers was working in the telly by that stage and I am far from a fan of the programme he was on.

I actually agreed with Emma Kenny when she said that naming the suspect before charges were laid was a bridge too far because if she turned out to be exonerated that would be "her career and life fucked." And I never agree with Emma Kenny. I can't bear her.

I have been a Tattle member for several years and one day as the first trial got underway, I thought to look in off topics to see what was being bandied about here. I followed silently for months. I read the Wiki. I listened intently to the people posting who were attending court. I watched all the videos on YT of her questioning by police.

Slowly, inexorably and with dawning horror I became convinced that there could be no other explanantion, no wild series of unfortunate coincidences, no complex conspiracy, no rational explanation for her behaviours of stalking parents, photographing cards, intruding on a grieving family as they held their precious child who had died.

Her affect under questioning about these babies' deaths was breathtaking. Discussing in detail the injuries they had suffered without even a catch in her voice. The flat tones as she denied responsibility for those injuries. As if she were being asked "Did you take a workmate's sandwich from the fridge" rather than "Did you murder children?"

It wasn't until perhaps two threads back that I felt convinced enough of her guilt to take part in the discussions. Listening to that young fella on YT read the transcripts from the first trial has only firmed my confidence that the police, those original dissenting doctors and the jury got it bang on.

I am sure I'm far from the only one here who began with serious doubts, listened and attended to the details of the case and made up our minds that the only appalling miscarriage of justice here was that this crazed bitch ever got the opportunities she did to maim and murder those tiny, defenceless beings.

 

[MmmB777]

The article is no longer behind a pay wall.

Removed it for you all. Love, Liz xx

 

[Tofino]

The Liz Hull article is excellent. In fact, it looks exactly like one of mmmbops posts, tons and tons of detail (but with paragraphs). @MmmB777 are you Liz Hull?

it shouldn’t be behind a paywall though. It needs to be easily accessible to all.

 

[Tofino]

There was even a comment saying ‘I don’t know all the facts, but this conviction makes me uncomfortable’ FFS

Maybe accept that people who did know all the facts, were not uncomfortable with convicting her.

 

[Cack_Conroe]

Hi all,

I have been really busy (sadly not with jury service - I was discharged halfway through due to my endometriosis! I was devastated!) but have finally got started writing complaints about all these despicable lying articles.

I complained about this Guardian article by liar Josh Halliday, as it disparaged trial watchers, and exaggerated Letby's level of support in order to lend credence to "the elephant in the room", i.e. the innocence conspiracies.

It contained a number of outright lies, which I have called out. The link above is an archive as I wonder if my complaint will make them change it.

I will be watching the Letby conspiracy docu tonight and if it's as bad as we think it's going to be, I will be complaining to Ofcom, which can be done on this form: https://ofcomlive.my.salesforce-sites.com/formentry/SitesFormCSLEStandardsComplaints

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Knowing that there is absolutely no legal or factual doubt about her guilt, and she will be locked up for life, doesn't really comfort me. Laws and society can change drastically. Over time, the public forget - or never knew in the first place - the nitty gritty details of why notorious criminals were convicted. This is even worse with Letby because the headline articles were always so poor, sensationalist and devoid of important facts. This current slew of conspiracy articles with little to counter them leaves the public with a sense of disquiet that there is something very wrong with her convictions. I worry that if anything ever changes in her favour, the public will not be outraged or knowledgeable enough to fight it.

That's why I have started writing complaints. Some of the NGs have a lot of time on their hands and are eagerly spreading their message, whereas the pro-guilty side do not have the time or feel the need to do this.

I really want to do my bit to mitigate their lies.

This is controversial and I understand that many won't agree with this, but I will also be complaining to the GMC about the doctors who have publicly supported a serial baby killer, decrying the evidence as insufficient without having access to any of it. They should not abuse their position to mislead the public in this manner.

 

[MmmB777]

With the handover sheets I can’t decide whether deep down she wanted to be caught (along with her shit defence strategy) or whether she really didn’t want to get rid of her trophies.

She couldn’t let go of any of it and absolutely knew by this point the game was up. She knew she would never have a normal life and knew eventually she’d be caught but couldn’t control herself. To go after baby Q despite how suspicious the triplets deaths were was utterly out of control.

also I’m quite drunk I just lit some candles for the babies in a beautiful church in Italy again just as I did last year when the verdicts came in.

she’ll never have a holiday. She’ll never have an aperol spritz. She’s fucked. The most she had was her little PG meet up with Dr ChoccyCockington Curly Watts the 2nd.
roll on September. Roll on the truth. Roll on some more fucking charges for the big chinned freak ++++
Loads of love fellas. Craig.. big shout out as ever xx

 

[MmmB777]

This thread is more or less made up of people who followed the entirety of the trail and the daily live reporting. I would say the opinion of most users on here is much better informed than the likes of Nadine Dorries and anyone else that has questioned the verdict in the media yet doesn't seem to have a clue about it. There's a reason why more or less everyone is in agreement that Letby is guilty and that's because she is. Pop over to websleuths where the users scrutinized each piece of evidence in detail and you will see the same: basically everyone in agreement with Letbys' guilt. Lucyletby Reddit is the same. Followed from day 1 and it's a massively guilty consensus.

Do you see the pattern there? People that followed the trial from the beginning concluding that Letby is guilty Vs people that seem to skim read details and decide there's something not right. Twitter is full of them. They have mostly foud out about the trial afterwards

I think it was important to be able to follow the trial as it was happening.

And while im at it, the insulin evidence is conclusive. The test was the same used to convict Beverley Allitt. Even the people that think there has been a miscarriage cannot explain it. Baby F was given exogenous insulin. The test is more than 99% accurate. The babies had sustained hypoglycemia confirmed by multiples blood tests. That hypoglycemia had a cause. The insulin and c peptides were tested and there is a clear discrepancy pointing towards administered insulin rather than a naturally occurring insulinoma or other causes. This is why it’s not a false lab result: you have the symptomatology, it resolved when the bags were changed (meaning the source of insulin was removed) and there was no special treatment given beyond dextrose to correct the blood sugar deficiency/counteracting the effects of insulin.

Letby was the sole signer of the TPN bag and hung the medication for baby F. She was not the designated nurse for baby F. She then falsified the reading. She recorded the only "normal" reading in 18 hours, just before she left.

There's no innocent explanation for that.

So sorry I was a cunt to you Jolty me old mucker x

@Tofino i can’t believe you didn’t make a mass debate joke

Honestly nobody needs to explain themselves (although I’ve enjoyed reading the posts ). What a weird flex to come in and call people ghouls and then wonder why the reception is hostile also I just absolutely love when people come on and say what they want to say and then say that they’re not allowed to say what they want to say my fave. Always react well to that one

Anyway, it’s looking like a lovely day to not have 15 WLO or a Twitter account named after a serial killer’s cats and spend all day acting as if you’re her mate. #weallknowwhotheghoulsare

 

[Tofino]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ar...ad-campaign-conviction-killer-Lucy-Letby.html

FFS, now David Davis is going to be asking questions in parliament.

“we must exclude the possibility that she has effectively been scapegoated for the wider failings in the system”

Fuck off David. They did this already. Multiple experts, doctors and nurses explained all this. Just because you couldn’t be arsed to dedicate ten months of your own life to sit in court and hear all the evidence or even read all the daily reports, doesn’t mean there wasn’t any.

 

[Aberscot]

Today the Mail can reveal that a third experienced neonatal paediatrician, Dr Martin Ward Platt, who was instrumental in setting up the first neonatal network in northern England, also assessed Dr Evans' initial reports. He too agreed that Babies G, I, O and Q all likely had air injected into their naso-gastric tubes (The jury failed to reach a verdict in Baby Q's case).
His report, which the Mail has seen, arguably goes further than those of Dr Evans because he identifies another baby boy, whose case was not part of either trial, who was likely hurt this way. Dr Ward Platt's report was never presented to the jury because he developed a terminal illness and died in 2019 before the trial began.

This is interesting another expert who sadly passed before trial, found another baby who she’s not been tried for.
The idiots have not tried to discredit him yet.
Also there defence expert couldn’t rule out one of the babies wasn’t killed by air enbulis, no wonder he wasn’t called.
Liz Hull article is really good, I hope she’s going to cover the enquiry.

 

[MmmB777]

Nobody working on a level 2 NNU should have been seeing anywhere near enough deaths to become desensitised anyway. This was highly unusual.

One of the testimonies that stuck in my head was Dr Harkness who was a junior doctor at the time saying that because it was so prevalent there that babies would collapse or suffer serious issues and even die, he actually began to think it was normal and it was only when he moved on and worked elsewhere that he realised it was completely abnormal. I think he also said he had to take time off due to being traumatised by the deaths he saw. People there had worked ten years and seen one death and then got to the point where there were several in a few months. Horrific.

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

Long ramble, sorry.
I worked in healthcare for nearly 20 years, most of those as an RN. A certain group of our patients were with us long term (repeated admissions) and either got their ultimate treatment goal or died waiting. I would imagine similar to NNU in that respect because when someone’s body fails them it’s one system after another and can be very distressing to witness. There’s usually a window where things could have gone right and didn’t. You get to know the family around the patient and share their hopes and dreams with them. These people are in my memory, and if I was questioned say in coroner’s and accused of deliberately sabotaging them (or even just being incompetent) I wouldn’t be emotionless and monotone. I would be upset and frankly livid. Might not remember all the details years later but a look at the notes would be enough to take you back there because these are traumatic events and create memory stamps. Conversely, at the time of them going downhill and it becoming apparent the end was coming, staff (myself included) might be very upset but you keep that amongst yourselves. Tears are shed in the coffee room or the sluice because the grief is not your own and you are focused on supporting the family and trying to ensure as peaceful and “good” death as possible. This vile specimen was the opposite. Being visibly “distraught” when babies were dying, inserting herself into the families’ personal grief, reliving it through messaging colleagues and repeated facebook searches of the bereaved families’ private lives And in interviews/on the stand just coldly relaying the events or arrogantly “I don’t recall”ing anything incriminating. The only tears she shed were for herself or for attention. She was the main character. People would understand more if they remember she caused and also enjoyed these events, that’s why she reacts the way she does. I think the staff around her would have got the ick from her behaviour even if they didn’t suspect what she was actually doing. Only the likes of gormless Janet were taken in by her histrionics and believed she was upset because she cared more than the staff who weren’t emotionally incontinent.

 

[Tofino]

This thread has some of the best debaters on tattle. The evidence was debated over and over and over again. It’s why we got through 60 threads before we heard the verdicts for the first trial. We were even threatened with instant bans by mods because of how bad the arguments were getting at times.

Clearly a large majority of people don’t read or comment here anymore but it’s still very much an active case in terms of daily press coverage now the second trial has concluded, ongoing police investigation and pending inquiry. It’s really not that unusual that some of us are still posting at the moment. The same happens on tattle with many other topics!

 

[Motherofpugs]

What pisses me off the most about the media circus around the conspiracists is the fact that the families of all the babies should have been able to have finally found some peace and closure following the guilty verdicts and this is like shitting all over that. She has been found guilty by two separate juries. She’s been denied an appeal. Just wish they would all fuck off and let it lie because their incessant whinging about it isn’t going to achieve anything anyway other than causing distress to the families of the victims. Then to add insult to injury the people campaigning for Lucy’s innocence haven’t even followed the trial completely. Morons.

 

[Cack_Conroe]

Hi everyone, Ive been away from these threads doing an assignment. Now I'm at court doing my own jury service! The trial starts at 11 and I’m hoping I’ll be one of the 12 that are called.

But I have a lot to say about the despicable conspiracy theories being peddled by the media, and will be writing official complaints as soon as I can.

I see this thread has been invaded by a few of her apologists, no doubt latecomers who didn’t follow last year’s trial and think they know everything after reading a few lying opinion pieces.

How about trust the juries who sat through all the evidence, and trust those of us who witnessed her astonishing behaviour on the stand in real life.

 

[MmmB777]

Oops p@edo Chris didn't like our earlier conversation. He really does have a thing for the most unsavoury characters doesn't he, serial killers and paedophiles. I don't know why he reads here tbh. Moron

Why does he specifically hate you so much
Chris we all think you’re a sweaty unfuckable nonce. Stop having favourites.

 

[DianaBanana]

Nobody working on a level 2 NNU should have been seeing anywhere near enough deaths to become desensitised anyway. This was highly unusual.

 

[Tofino]

How many doctors and nurses are desensitised to one of their colleagues murdering their patients? Especially tiny vulnerable newborns. Many of the witnesses became emotional when giving evidence.

Even if we were to play this out as if she is innocent and telling the truth. She said on that stand she accepted somebody was harming babies. Why is she not horrified and upset by that? It wasn’t the case she just numb from the trial because she had plenty of energy and emotion when Dr Noname appeared in court. Oh and when big bad Dr Jay gave evidence again recently.

Every path you take in this case leads to guilt.