Lucy Letby #5

[French toast]

How is it possible to inject insulin into a bag? Does it have to pierce a sealed bag, or are they not sealed?

 

[Laura8868]

I’m so unsure, We all know some people are evil. but Wouldn’t someone who
was killing stop for a while , when people were suspicious and she’d been moved shifts and everything

If she have mental health issues she wouldn't think reasonable way. It might be out of her control I guess?

 

[Haveyouanywool]

Yep, completely agree, I have also witnessed this first hand. Concerns are raised and more often than not those raising the concerns are looked at negatively. I and several other colleagues reported a fellow midwife on numerous occasions for things I consider quite serious. Obviously not to the extent of this case but serious nonetheless, and certainly scenarios that could have her fitness to practice questioned. Nothing was done and we were made to feel a nuisance for reporting in the first place. In my experience, the culture in the NHS does nothing to promote whistleblowing. People will overlook a lot of serious issues for fear of having to report and become labelled a 'grass'. The move from nights to days despite being concerned about her competency obviously doesn't make sense but I can well believe it. As can I believe her being given a student, sometimes we have more students than staff and they need to be assigned to someone!

I don’t imagine she’d be saying to the student, just introduce 25mls of air via this nasogastric tube.
As far as I’m aware, many of her colleagues were sticking up for her, and still are.

The NHS is fucking corrupt to the core when it comes to reporting concerns. Where I worked, there were also huge issues with nepotism and those who were related to people in high up managerial positions could basically get away with doing whatever they liked. There was so much toxicity and cliquey-ness, and when I raised concerns about the behaviour of certain colleagues and their incompetency, I was just labelled a trouble maker and moved to another area of the department.
I’ve seen people cover each others backs and I’ve seen others get blamed for the failings of members of staff much higher up.

To be fair, a lot of workplaces are like that. I’m not excusing it saying it’s right but it is human nature.

 

[stardust1]

If we believe equipment is faulty or broken we remove it & report it to the maintenance dept who should come up check it and either fix the issue, or take it away and replace with loan stock until the issue is resolved.

Thanks, so I guess something like that would still fall into LL’s problem? Would you expect to be in trouble if you were ignoring that equipment was faulty?

 

[stardust1]

Long time lurker here...
Has anyone else noticed on the note where we believe it to say 'I did this' under the circled HATE... It looks to me like the 'I' has been crossed out? Then maybe the 'They' above would make sense... I..They did it...
Sorry if this has been mentioned but I don't think I've seen anyone else question it

It says ‘how will things ever be like they used to’ under neath is ‘they can’t’

 

[ttt888]

I worry that she is innocent. If she is her entire life is destroyed because even if she is found not guilty there will be so many people who feel she is.

People don't know much those medical details, that's why so many not sure vote, medical experts knew she did it, this is why Her hospital reported to the police after internal investigation , lots of details and all the clue link to LL, conviction guilty in so many cases without direct evidence.

 

[SundaysChild]

It says ‘how will things ever be like they used to’ under neath is ‘they can’t’

yes sorry but then to the right of that, where it says 'I DID THIS' .. the actual I looks like it's been crossed out

 

[CoffeeandCookies]

I think it was said that the Dr ravi was present at the birth, not LL

Ah I may have misread that then, thanks

 

[stardust1]

Maybe she was on stand by to take the babies to nicu from birth

Can’t obviously speak for every hospital but mine was all docs at the birth ready to go round to NICU no nurses

 

[abelleza]

What is the NHS policy on the EWT directive as it pertains to nurses?

I think you need to sign up to the EWT, if not you can work as many hours as you want. All I know in regards to working limitations is you have to have had 11 hours break between shifts (which doesn’t happen as if you stay late on one shift then have one the next day it’s less than 11 hours lol, I’ve worked 7am-11pm before then been in at 7 next morning, but you do have a responsibility not to work if you feel your quality of care will be affected). I think you have a day off between finishing nights and starting days but not sure if that’s a legal requirement or just my hospital (again that also doesn’t happen).

 

[DipsyDoodle]

She might of been supporting a doctor at a high risk birth or something maybe?

By no means do I have any experience in this area, but if there was a known risk that a baby would be born with medical issues, would a neonatal team be on standby during a birth so they can start taking care of the baby as soon as they are born?


EDIT: I see an answer has been given that it was a doctor present at the birth, not LL.

 

[wishiniwasskinny]

Dr Dewi taking the stand first

 

[daisy2809]

November 2020 as far as I can tell.


Do you mean on here or elsewhere? I feel she’s innocent because I haven’t seen anything convincing that she’s not (so far). The only place I’ve posted online about it is here, as it’s a gossip forum. I’ve read everyone’s different opinions and find it a really interesting discussion so far. I don’t think any sane person would want a “told you so” moment over the deaths of so many children.

Sorry yeah I mean elsewhere, just people on FB/Tiktok. I understand defending people publicly in other cases, but in this case I find it quite disrespectful/weird that anyone would want to

 

[stardust1]

I work in personal injury and theres already talks of an enquiry and clinical negligence case against the trust. The NHS and hospitals gets sued every day so parents will also go down that route irregardless of if LL is found guilty. I imagine this won't be out of the news and various courts for a long time yet.

Would they just be awarded some sort of compo if the trust was found guilty? So nothing would happen to the staff personally?

 

[Crusty_punk]

No I do agree with being a nhs nurse for 12 years that a lot of decisions are out of our control and we have to make do with what we have as the decisions come form higher up that have no nursing experience but if you do look at the latest CQC report for maternity services for them , there are things that are within the control that a sister or ward manager can implement on their unit
It talks about staff that didn’t have adequate training - get the reps in , they are also willing to come in and work alongside nurses with devices or equipment they are unsure in
Handovers missing relevant infomation in - that’s a performance review done to each nurse itself to implement . Again patient records missing information - each nurses responsibility . Managers not focusing on competency of staff . Service not monitoring waiting times for patients

whether lucy did it or not , managers need to be held accountable for how they let the department run as badly as it did on things they can manage themselves without Approval from higher up


Look at the Shrewsbury maternity scandal - that’s still ongoing

Yep, Ockenden review included around 1000 cases, very sad.

 

[Hbeau93]

Does anyone know the structure of the trial? When does her defence start?

 

[Warpaint]

I know. I don't really get your point. I'm just saying that CPS would have kept her in prison as they have done, for her safety as well as to do with the allegations. I don't really understand why you find that so hard to understand and also why you are being so confrontational about it

Your keeping her in custody for her safety is the weird point. That does not show innocence (not saying she is or isn't) but it's not the way things normally play out

 

[Stiltoncheese]

Being a witness wasn’t optional in my friends case. She had to turn up or it would be in contempt of court and, ultimately, could be remanded in custody.

I thought people could decline to be a witness, even in a criminal trial? Even LL isn't compelled to take the stand and I suspect she might not in this trial.

 

[CoffeeandCookies]

Apologies I can’t quote from the locked thread but the timeline someone posted a picture of recently from the wiki shows 8 murders instead of 7?

 

[Sallyspal]

I veer on the side of innocent as I just can’t imagine someone doing these crimes … I can’t comprehend it