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The issue with vetting is to check the applicants honesty amongst anything else. They know the answers to the questions before they ask them. I have nppv3 clearance
Ahh. I’ve seen the nppv1 form as where I work, people had to fill them in about their selves before working in a police station.
My issue is, I don’t want to have to tell my parents about my caution (I know that’s selfish and it was a long time ago) does my brother fill out my vetting info on my behalf? Or do I do it myself?
 
Ahh. I’ve seen the nppv1 form as where I work, people had to fill them in about their selves before working in a police station.
My issue is, I don’t want to have to tell my parents about my caution (I know that’s selfish and it was a long time ago) does my brother fill out my vetting info on my behalf? Or do I do it myself?
He’ll fill it out on your behalf but usually it’ll ask for any convictions/cautions within a certain time, after 13 years it’s shouldn’t be an issue
 
Without seeing the form I can’t say. It’ll depend what the questions are. But you might have to bite the bullet and confess, if your brother says you have no cautions/convictions and he’s refused vetting on the basis that he lied it may come out later…again without seeing the forms I can’t say if that would be the case
 
Without seeing the form I can’t say. It’ll depend what the questions are. But you might have to bite the bullet and confess, if your brother says you have no cautions/convictions and he’s refused vetting on the basis that he lied it may come out later…again without seeing the forms I can’t say if that would be the case
Ok, thank you for your help. He’s not at that stage yet (which I think is the final one?) I didn’t realise he could refuse vetting- I thought they did it automatically? If I knew I could tell him and not get my parents involved, it would be ok, but they will want to be fully involved in it all! 😩
 
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Hi. I’m hoping someone notices this comment on this thread!

My younger half brother is in the process of applying to get into the police and i hadn’t realised that his family members are vetted. I have never lived with him, there’s more than a 10 year ago gap between us (which is neither here nor there). About 13 years ago me and a friend got a caution for shoplifting (I know, embarrassing) and I’ve never told anyone. I’m now panicking this will come up and deter him from getting into the police. Does anyone know what kind of checks they do for immediate family? Do you get contacted individually to be vetted?
Thank you.
The forms only ask for the names, DOB and addresses of your immediate family (including step relations), rather than specific questions about them.

There is a separate question that asks if you associate with anyone with a criminal record or known criminal activity, however I doubt very much that your shoplifting caution would be of any concern given it was so long ago.

If he fails the vetting process he won't be told why.
Try not to worry though, I doubt there will be an issue.
 
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The forms only ask for the names, DOB and addresses of your immediate family (including step relations), rather than specific questions about them.

There is a separate question that asks if you associate with anyone with a criminal record or known criminal activity, however I doubt very much that your shoplifting caution would be of any concern given it was so long ago.

If he fails the vetting process he won't be told why.
Try not to worry though, I doubt there will be an issue.
Thank you. I’ve been fraught all day thinking about it.

If for arguments sake, I don’t confess to the caution, and he fails the vetting, can they contest it? Sorry for so many questions! And would it be obvious that it’s because someone wasn’t honest?
 
Thank you. I’ve been fraught all day thinking about it.

If for arguments sake, I don’t confess to the caution, and he fails the vetting, can they contest it? Sorry for so many questions! And would it be obvious that it’s because someone wasn’t honest?
No you can't contest it unfortunately but no it wouldn't be obvious that someone hadn't been honest. They ask lots of other questions relating to driving fines/offences, in depth financal evaluation etc so it could be literally any part that causes the failure.
 
No you can't contest it unfortunately but no it wouldn't be obvious that someone hadn't been honest. They ask lots of other questions relating to driving fines/offences, in depth financal evaluation etc so it could be literally any part that causes the failure.
Ok I guess that’s something for me to think about. Though he’s as straight as a die, so there’s no dirt on him.
They have a friend of a friend who is an ex police officer, so would he be able to gauge why if he wasn’t successful in his application?
 
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You could get a role in cyber crime or intelligence as a civilian? Have you looked into that? I worked for the police in various civilian roles for 14 years. In my experience 99% of Police Officers are very unhappy. Its quite a toxic environment. The rank system means challenging someone 'superior' is frowned upon which I struggled with because a lot of them were complete idiots.
 
Ok I guess that’s something for me to think about. Though he’s as straight as a die, so there’s no dirt on him.
They have a friend of a friend who is an ex police officer, so would he be able to gauge why if he wasn’t successful in his application?
No, the friend wouldn't have access to any of the vetting outcome info. The whole process is confidential.
 
Living in GM and working with GMP, for what it's worth, it's not a police force I'd choose at this time.
Special measures are absolutely terrible, and the area is massive, with a lot of crime that is mirrored in London, but without the Met funding.

Maybe look more into what each role demands in those police forces, because I know Lancs, which is just the next county, is amazingly funded and they look after their staff.
 
Hiya I'm a single mum to 3.
Im going into my 2nd week of training. They are super supportive but again you will be expected to work early lates and nights.
You can apply for flexible working hours but you'll need a good enough reason why and i don't think because your a single mum would be a reason.
Im quite lucky as my kids ain't little no more.
Im loving every minute off the training. If you got support from your family then go for it, you wont regret it
You can have a flexi working pattern because of childcare and being a single parent. It’s them who have to have a business case to deny your pattern request, not all roles roles are early mids and lates. There are compressed hours and job shares as well. The job has moved on leaps and bounds in regards to accommodating flexible working. You also can’t be forced to work overtime unless it’s force immobilisation.

Hi. I’m hoping someone notices this comment on this thread!

My younger half brother is in the process of applying to get into the police and i hadn’t realised that his family members are vetted. I have never lived with him, there’s more than a 10 year ago gap between us (which is neither here nor there). About 13 years ago me and a friend got a caution for shoplifting (I know, embarrassing) and I’ve never told anyone. I’m now panicking this will come up and deter him from getting into the police. Does anyone know what kind of checks they do for immediate family? Do you get contacted individually to be vetted?
Thank you.
He should really declare your caution, it shouldnt cause an issue, however him knowing about it and not declaring it could. If he doesn’t know, then maybe it won’t. It’s only a shoplifting after all.
 
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Thank you @thatstupidcat for your views, I was expecting some negative advice and I do appreciate it as I find it keeps me grounded

Intelligence/analytical roles are more where I want to be I think, especially as my degree will be in cyber security... I was considering police officer as a way in. I wonder how different NCA is - civil service but I have worked in DWP and know the red tape 🙄
If you are interested in going into intelligence research or analysis, generally that is a civilian staff role and you don't need to be a police officer. Though (in my region) those roles require some prior knowledge of intelligence/the systems involved, so the best route in is through roles in systems/IT/compliance.

Honestly if you want to be working in cyber crime or cyber security type work, an officer role is not necessarily going to offer you the kind of technical challenge that you might be looking for, as opposed to a civilian staff role in intelligence or IT.
 
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You can have a flexi working pattern because of childcare and being a single parent. It’s them who have to have a business case to deny your pattern request, not all roles roles are early mids and lates. There are compressed hours and job shares as well. The job has moved on leaps and bounds in regards to accommodating flexible working. You also can’t be forced to work overtime unless it’s force immobilisation.


He should really declare your caution, it shouldnt cause an issue, however him knowing about it and not declaring it could. If he doesn’t know, then maybe it won’t. It’s only a shoplifting after all.
He doesn’t know about it. Nobody knows about it.
 
He doesn’t know about it. Nobody knows about it.
If it was 13 years ago and you never did anything since, most likely your record will have been deleted. They don't keep your criminal records indefinitely, there are time limits depending on the type of crime and the sentence. A caution won't still be there after 13 years.
 
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The forms only ask for the names, DOB and addresses of your immediate family (including step relations), rather than specific questions about them.

There is a separate question that asks if you associate with anyone with a criminal record or known criminal activity, however I doubt very much that your shoplifting caution would be of any concern given it was so long ago.

If he fails the vetting process he won't be told why.
Try not to worry though, I doubt there will be an issue.
This is rubbish. I have been vetted at a much higher level. No one can ask for family details. What utter nonsense!
 
This is rubbish. I have been vetted at a much higher level. No one can ask for family details. What utter nonsense!
You're wrong different sectors focus on different aspects, police do ask about family, friends, boyfriends/girlfriends. Financial sector not so much, but do delve deeply into your financial history. Having clearance, for police, cabinet office and Bank of England, I can attest to this.
 
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