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Hi all. I’ve lurked until now but wanted to stick my head above the parapet with the FA’s announcement this morning
I work within football and for a long time I’ve had to be very careful professionally with my words and responses to men pretending to be women who expect and often demand to be able to play in women’s football.

Im so fucking pleased
 
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Peachsquish

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A few years old but still good

This speech by Leeds Counsilor Sarah Fields (UK) from 2020 is still the most succinct and comprehensive statement on the harms of gender ideology I've seen to date. If you don't understand what all the fuss is about, it's worth your time to read it.

"Good afternoon everyone and welcome.

Firstly I’d like to thank everyone here for coming today, our panel and the Leeds Spinners for inviting me to Chair.

Our brilliant panel of academics will be speaking today about the Declaration of Sex Based Rights. But by way of introduction, I am going to talk a little bit about Leeds and why I’m here.

....About three years ago, not long after I was first elected, I was contacted by a woman in Leeds, for advice. Her six-year-old daughter had been verbally attacked and then subjected to a violent outburst by a 17-year-old male who had been allowed to join a local girls group as a helper. This was because he said he identified as a female. What had this child done? She had asked him if he was a boy. And then this six-year-old girl had been made to stand alone in front of the entire group and apologise to him.

And I couldn’t get my head around this. So I began to do some research. And this was how I found my way to gender critical thinking and radical feminism.
And these are the following statements I’d like to make:

Every single person on the planet is unique. And I don’t care what they wear. And I don’t care who they love or have sex with, as long as they are consenting adults.

There is no such thing as living as a woman. We are women. And it is our female biology which makes us women. It is our sex. And biological sex is observable in every single cell in our bodies: it is a physical, material and biological fact. And our sex is what makes us a class. Our sex which makes us uniquely vulnerable to male violence. Our sex which means we bear the entire burden of reproductive labour. The structural oppression which women face as a class is because of their sex. And that is why all women need legal recourse to separate and sex-segregated spaces.

It is simply not ethical to categorise males as females based on their subjective feelings. To do so means the female sex no longer has legal protections or legal meaning and is instead reduced to destructive, regressive gender stereotyping.

If you cannot define women, then you cannot defend them.

Which brings me to Leeds City Council, which famously prevented a meeting here last year to discuss changes to the Gender Recognition Act. When the WPUK meeting was cancelled I read the email from a Labour Councillor and then I read the flurry of replies and actions that not once asked for clarification or any other viewpoints - just this blind acceptance of a hateful narrative – and it became clear to me that it’s become a virtue to dismiss, intimidate and silence women.

That meeting was to discuss proposed changes to legislation and the government’s consultation. Its purpose was not to tell Trans people what is best for them, but to tell politicians and lawmakers what is best for women. The vast majority of those who ask questions about Self-ID are lifelong left-leaning lesbians, trade unionists, LGB allies and of all faiths and none. These accusations we face - transphobes, bigots, TERFs, religious fundamentalists, hate preachers - are utter nonsense. And I’ve had enough.

And I must say I absolutely refute in the strongest terms any accusations of homophobia against gender critical women. A huge number of them are lesbians. And I stand with my lesbian sisters. Just as I’ve always done for years of solidarity with the LGB community. And since the woke brigade of word salad identity politics seems to love a good cliché, I’ll throw in a mention of my magnificent gay best friend and godfather to both my children.

Leeds City Council has brought in Self-Identification. Anyone can change their sex, or “gender marker” as they call it, across all council services and departments by completing a short online form.

When I asked, under FOI, for the Equality Impact Assessments I was told they didn’t do any. When I asked, under FOI, how this might impact sex-segregated services and spaces I was told Leeds City Council does not have any such spaces or services. When I asked, under FOI, for a comprehensive list of women’s and men’s clothes, as cross-dressing is specifically defined in council policy as a protected characteristic, I was told no such list exists. When asked to define a woman, they said no such definition exists.

So to be clear: men in this city can access a woman’s changing facility, toilet, leisure facility or support group or service – anywhere they are vulnerable, traumatised, undressed or asleep - because men might at some point feel like they are something which the council says is indefinable, but might mean he once wore something which may or may not be something a woman might also wear.

Well, women fought for those spaces and they are not this council’s to give away.

It is absurd, it is dangerous and millions of women across the country are saying we have had enough. You cannot identify into an oppressed class because you cannot identify out of an oppressed class. And women are uniquely oppressed across the planet: reproductive health and autonomy, Female Genital Mutilation, violence, rape, child marriage, no right to vote, death in childbirth, post-natal illness, denied access to education, lower wages, chemical contraception, sex trafficking, surrogacy, pornography, prostitution and objectification.

I’ve had women in prisons and post-prison services in Leeds who have contacted me in fear and despair because they are confined with men who threaten them with rape, assault them, repeatedly expose their so called female penises and taunt them about playing the system and flushing their hormones down the toilet.

Our statistics will be skewed and we will lose a tool of analysis that provides us with the ability to challenge the very inequalities for which sex-based provisions and quotas were created.

And of course, there is a wider underbelly of misogyny in Leeds. The so-called managed zone of prostituted, emaciated and addicted women is our flagship. In the last few months I’ve visited Holbeck twice, once at night where I observed several men out on the street openly watching pornography in their cars as women stumbled to them to be used and discarded for a fiver. During the day I was approached by punters three times in 10 minutes while simply standing by a car for some fresh air at 2pm. We are spending hundreds of thousands of pounds so men can buy the addicted bodies of the most vulnerable women in the city. Men know what a woman is in Holbeck.

I’m often asked how I would feel if I was born in the wrong body. And I say, I’ve been feeling like that every single day for as long as I can remember. You only have to go into a shop, turn on the TV, open a magazine, click on the internet and women are assaulted with GET A BIKINI BODY, 12 WEEKS UNTIL YOUR CHRISTMAS PARTY BODY, GET THE BODY YOU DREAM OF, THE BODY OF SOMEONE 20 YEARS YOUNGER, THE BODY YOU DESERVE. Botox, surgery, hair removal, Photoshop, permanent makeup, designer vagina. We get it.

I don’t think all men are rapists. I don’t think all men are intrinsically violent, creepy or degenerate. God knows, I love my dad and my brother and my dear nine-year-old son. But 98% of sexual violence is committed by men. And there is no way to tell the good ones from the bad ones. There never will be. That’s why we need our spaces and services and boundaries, for our privacy, our dignity and our safety. It’s why we need to preserve the social norms which generally prevent men from entering our spaces and preserve our confidence to challenge men who do so. Bad men will do anything to gain access to women and girls. That’s why every institution in the world attracts those who will use power and access to abuse us. If they do it in schools, the care system, churches and families then they will sure as hell do it in prisons, toilets, refuges and changing rooms. They already are.

In terms of protecting females from a significant minority of dangerous males, these reasons don’t cease to operate when males self-identify as women. And self-identification removes any gatekeeping, safeguarding or requirement for any man to do anything other than complete a cursory administrative process via an online form.

I’m truly sorry for any man who feels imprisoned and tortured by masculinity. But that is something for men to deconstruct, to dismantle and to overthrow. And there are men doing it. There are transsexuals and crossdressers and allies against the male stereotypes which damage everyone. But it is not the moral duty of women to facilitate that. If your feminism prioritises the internal identifications of men over the material conditions of women then you are not a feminist. In a world of structural and systematic oppression, and an epidemic of male violence, we owe it to women and to the legacy of every feminist who has fought before us, to stand for ourselves.

Thank you."
 
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Madge2022

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My work have quietly changed toilets that aren't full length cubicles back to male and female. Any that are full length with sink and dryer inside are now unisex. Strange it's been kept quiet, when they were so loud and proud when they changed them.

My husband's work sent correspondence saying trans must immediately start to use the correct toilet in line with equality act and supreme court guidelines, if they don't then they could be subject to disciplinary proceedings. So pleased to hear a company has taken this stance rather than saying how upsetting it is for trans folks.
 
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Just in from a night out and had the terfiest taxi driver in the land drive me home 🤣

I got in and had barely sat back when he said “I’ve just had one of the women who were involved in that Supreme Court decision in the back, do you know about that?”

Do I know about that 😀 yes sir, I do. And we were off. Fifteen minute cab ride was enough to cover all the most salient points, from “did you see that Algerian boxer punch that woman in the face at the Olympics” to “what did JK Rowling say that was so bad anyway?”.

His closing remark as I got out was, “I talk to a lot of people and nobody really believes this bollocks”.

very heartening. Most everyone is a terf ❤


(he didn’t know which woman involved in the SC case it was - I would have liked to have known!)
 
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Moon Face

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They’ve had that for a while after there were several incidents involving voyerism in various stores. They clarified in 2024 that it meant anyone who identifies as a women. Shitbags that they are.

Edited to add, middle aged women make 93% of household spending decisions so why companies risk pissing us off I don’t know. We should boycott all shops, including on line, for a week. Make them buck their ideas up!
I was in Primark yesterday with my young teenage daughter, she will only go in the women's changing room, but still wants me with her, hanging around outside the door. They were fairly busy, and at one point a young individual went to walk in, now I am rubbish at correctly sexing people, but if I had to I would have said TiM. The woman from the desk went "You need to be in the All Genders" to which the individual remarked "I am a woman" Quick as a flash the assistant replied "Well it's full in there" and so little individual went off to the All Genders.

She was an older woman, with a no nonsense look about her, so maybe some subtle gatekeeping going on. She had told the two woman in front of us that she only had All Genders available, but had obviously heard my daughter say she'd rather wait, and suddenly said "ooh I have got one"

We need people like her on the desk who won't take any silly business.
 
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Lorraine 'super, absolutely lovely, oooh you lovely wee thing' Kelly, espousing the same old bullshit today; 'just be kind'. Yes, Loz, be kind to the men chairing rape crisis centres telling women to 'reframe their trauma', be kind to the men in masks holding placards gleefully saying that the best terfs are 'dead terfs'. Be kind to India Willoughby who tweets hatred about the murderer of Sarah Everard and how he is probably a role model for women's rights activists. Be kind to 55 year old Clive who has decided he is now Carol and goes into the girls changing room and showers with his erect cock on display. Be kind to Isla Bryson, a convicted rapist who is now in a women's prison because he wants to be. I honestly think this cunt would interview Ian Huntley and say something like 'ooh, you're one of the most notorious child murderers in UK history. Well done you, absolutely super, what a lovely wee thing you are, and you look amazing, really glowing'. Absolute simpering handmaiden, an embarrassment to Scotland and the media.
 
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ShopTilYouSlop

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Some good/common sense news for the new thread. Although it still blows my mind that other women will argue that men should be allowed in women’s sports.

And the walls came a-tumbling down!

Now, are they going to apologise to the teenage girl who they dragged into an inquiry, aggressively questioned and accused of transphobia while she wept, and then banned for several matches, because she asked a man if he was a man?
 
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Not Now Bernard

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It’s important to remember that when women were campaigning for the vote there was an anti-suffragist movement and, unbelievably enough, lots of women were involved in this.
If you’ve ever wondered what type of woman would have campaigned against women having the vote you just need to look at your average female TRA.
 
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Mismatched Pegs

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We had our ED & I meeting today. My boss thought I might quite like to give everyone an update on the supreme court ruling. And I most certainly did. Nobody is in any doubt about who is most affected by it now 😁
 
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ShopTilYouSlop

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Doing a great job to reassure us after Sarah Everard, aren't they? What's wrong with these misogynistic fuckers?

Love you, JKR.


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This popped up when I was perusing Glinner’s trans lesbian mantrum tweet. I think Jack & I could be friends 😁
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As a fellow gay man, I wholehearted agree with that Twitter post by Jack David. Especially the part about an entitled bunch who can't take No for an answer.

Who the fcuk do these idiots think they are? The gay community is not obliged to support Trans Women. There are also many within it who do not agree with this gender nonsense, and militant Trans individuals thinking they can do whatever the hell they want.

They openly attempt to flout the law on one hand, yet on the other, like to hide behind and use it against others when things don't go their way.

The more this charade goes on, the more hardened my attitudes and opinions towards the Trans community demands become. A fair number of bad apples within it, are ruining it for the Trans community as a whole. Many of whom are men parading around in dresses, with all their male pieces in tact - they clearly don't seem to know the difference between Transgender and Transvestite.

However, this is what happens when individuals are allowed to become self entitled without challenge. They are always trying to push the boundaries in their favour.

Trans was once a community that existed with little fuss, demands, or wanting to become a dominant player over actual biological women.

What on earth has happened in which actual women have to continually fight for their defined rights?
 
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ShopTilYouSlop

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I'm glad I've found this thread. This whole thing is causing issues between me and my husband as he seems to think it's OK that convicted rapists (men) are allowed in women's prisons and changing rooms just because 'well they are women technically'. Well no they have a penis so no technically about it.

I know a couple of trans men and they are confused and I just don't know what my opinion should be.
Would he date a castrated man? How many women get their penises removed?

In my experience, a lot of men, even very good ones, really struggle to understand this. It's a sign of how removed they are from our experience. Which is exactly why they can't identify into it.

Your sexed body will shape your life. That doesn't mean you have to sing soprano and twirl parasols. Woman is a reproductive sex class and covers women who are black, white, straight, gay, butch, femme, strong, weak, young, old, beautiful, ugly, alive or dead. You can wear and do anything you like as a woman but the nature of your unchangeable sex means you require certain rights and protections based upon it. You may never need to call upon those protections but we still require them as a class level. Woman is not something you wear or do; it's sexist, regressive and untrue to say a woman is a person who wears makeup and dresses or has a subjective, undefined "woman feeling".

And in the case of sport, the only way women can have anything approaching equal opportunity (because there is still far less money and opportunities in female sports than male) is to have a single sex category. Yes, some elite women can beat shit men. That doesn't matter. Male advantage means they cannot beat elite men, men who rank the same among men as they do among women. The top woman can beat out of shape 40 year old Gerald but she cannot beat the top men - in most sports, she's ranked below the top 200 at least and usually more. The top 10% of women can only beat the bottom 10% of men in hand grip strength. Male advantage exists and it's actually greater than you probably realise.

It's not hateful for women to want single sex spaces for sports, showering, changing, toileting, rape counselling, prison and lesbian dating. These spaces do not exist to validate men who want to be women. They exist because women would be excluded from life without them, on account of their biology. Once we erase the common feature of that biology as a requirement, they are not single sex spaces and women cannot do anything away from men.

Transwomen can use the spaces for their sex or additional mixed sex spaces but it is not a human right for a man to access spaces for women. It is not because they're trans. It's because they're male.
 
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