Gender Discussion #44

[gigilouxx]

I’m so angry. There’s a sign up at the Edinburgh protest about “stop killing black trans women”

Who is this directed to? Because I’ve not heard of 1 POC trans woman being killed.

I am a black woman and I am so damn disgusted that the only time anyone seems to care about black women is when there’s “trans” infront of it
Where’s the fucking sign for the inadequate maternity care for black women, the statistics that black women receive the worst level of healthcare support, the fact that black women are the least likely to appear in the % of top earners in the uk.
I am so sick of hearing how the only victims are “trans women” because at this point I out and bad do not give a fucking shit, I care about the women subject to violence who could end up in a refuge or safe house with a man in a dress, I care about the women told theyre “Phobic“ because they want to be called a mother, not a womb owner. Sorry for the rant I’m fuming

 

[CookieZippy]

I honestly find it incredible that you can post


"Dylan Mulvaney is a man who is taking the piss out of women. If saying that makes me a transphobe then I'm happy to be one as it's a simple truth."


elsewhere on this forum and get 8 angry emoji reactions. Are these people actually paying attention to the content that Dylan puts out? That Nike video where he's exercising in the way he thinks women do is utterly blatant as a pisstake and also outright offensive. Women are not camp, mincing idiots and this arsehole needs to go away as well as be rightly questioned. Conversation about how awful he is should not be getting suppressed in the way that it is either.

 

[tablesandchairs]

Oh for goodness sake. A random instagrammer i follow has had breast reduction surgery. Still leaving her with pretty large breasts, but easier on her back. The comments are FULL of people praising her ‘gender affirming surgery’ and anyone who argues it’s not that is told rudely to ‘educate yourself’, ‘Google is free’, ‘gender affirming surgery isn’t just for trans people etc. Someone has even said ‘maybe her large breasts made her feel less feminine so it is gender affirming surgery’. Errrr no, they just hurt her back and neck

 

[IdeletedbutI'mbackagain]

Why exactly do Drag Queens want to read to children in Libraries so badly? Does anyone have an explanation for that?

They aren't Panto Dames, they aren't trans so if they want to read to children they can do, just as themselves, but these men specifically want to dress up as oversexulised charactures of women and read to them?? Why?? I don't get it.

Female burlesque dancers and pole dancers don't have the same urge funnily enough even though they are every bit the "art form" that drag is.

 

[klarakluckbag]

I've been asked to speak at a careers fair about my healthcare role. I initially turned it down because the woman who asked me (has a woman's name, clearly a woman in her profile pic) has her pronouns displayed really prominently in her email signature.

But now that I've thought about it, I might just do it, if only to see how many times I can squeeze the word "woman" into my speech! (I work in women's health, so probably quite a lot )

 

[emmer_moans]

I went out for Lunch with my mum and sister earlier, before we left I needed to use the bathroom , as I was washing my hands a man walked in and I said oh sorry you are in the wrong bathroom and he looked disgusted and ran out of the bathroom in tears?? When I went back to my mum and sister a woman approached me ( I’m guessing a friend of the trans person) and said I should be ashamed of myself) I’m honestly so over this planet.

You did the right thing. Their tears and sensitivity are not your problem. You confronted him with the truth.

Edited to add: what pisses me off is we now have a generation of overly sensitive fools who cry at the slightest reminder of basic truth. People who can't cope with the idea that women might be uncomfortable with men in their toilets, and those who break down on tiktok because customers misgendered them at the coffee counter. We have so many pathetic individuals who have been called brave and mollycoddled and their mental illnesses trivialised to the point that any experience in the real world that misaligns with the falsehood they have been promised, means they crumble. Seriously these people need to be confronted with the truth.

 

[thegirlscout]

Verifying Device

Clown world Good on him for standing up to the nonsense!

I remember when I was getting my Covid vaccine (maybe the second or third one so around 2021?) there was an elderly man across from me when I was waiting and the Dr asked if there could be a chance he could be pregnant. The elderly man looked really upset, almost distraught. After he left the doctor was rubbing his hands around his eyes and the nurse said to him ‘you had to do, we all have to ask now, just in case we get reported’.
It was bloody stupid. Even if you go along with the delusion that men can be pregnant, surely there is an age cut off like with women? A man in his 80s most definitely wouldn’t be.

 

[Scotch Mist]

Julie Burchill is giving it to Daniel Radcliffe here

The privileged ignorance of Daniel Radcliffe

What a shame that JK Rowling made a star out of such a privileged plonker.

www.spiked-online.com

 

[emmer_moans]

It really pisses me off when people try to trans dead authors and celebs who cannot speak for themselves.

Louisa May Alcott wrote primarily about the experiences of women. Just because Jo March is a bit playful and not hyper girly, does not mean she’s trans either. Goes to show how reductive the trans ideology is that a girl who doesn’t wear pink and is a bit messy or imaginitive can’t possible be a girl

Notable heroines are also not trans. Just because some fought and acted outside of the norms for their sex, does not mean they weren’t female for FFFFF sake.

Stop transing the dead. You can be gender non conforming (i.e. not live up to stereotypes) but your body is either male or female. When will the asteroid come, seriously? That said I have noticed more people online calling out stuff like this, there’s definitely been more vocal activity/awareness this past month, I think people are getting sick of virtue signalling etc of Disney, Nextflix, Nike, Bud Light. Eventually the silent majority will get pissed off.

 

[MemoryLane]

Has anyone been following #istandwithhenrietta on Twitter today? Some truly awful abuse aimed at a young disabled woman for stating how the law affects her ability to request same sex care. She is extremely vulnerable and mentions a friend who was in a position of turning away a male carer sent to her by an agency. Henrietta is paralysed from the chest down. Her care is intimate. There are people commenting with some really stupid questions. She can’t speak so they’re asking how she can put it on Twitter? Accusing her of weaponising her disability to attack trans women and stating this kind of thing never happens (abuse of a disabled woman is an higher percentage than people think) and that basically, she’s a bigot. It’s really upset me to read her tweets and the abuse.

 

[SkippyDoo]

The problem is, there are a lot of Kirsties out there, that's how this whole TWAW movement took hold. The Kirsties of the world hold KJK in contempt so don't bother actually listening to what she says.
Until I had my own run in with an AGP in the changing room, I was pretty ambivalent about Trans. I never bought into the TWAW but I was definitely on the side of live and let live but twice now 'veI witnessed 1st hand the type of Men pushing this movement and it most definitely isn't the most vulnerable and persecuted of Society.

I am a lesbian and of course, never had (nor do I still have) any issue with actually trans people living their best lives, but around 2010 things seemed to change.

In truth it had probably happened earlier, but that’s when I noticed the difference. AGPs started to appear in lesbian & gay spaces in a way I hadn’t appreciated before, and it was not a good development. These weren’t the trans people I remembered meeting in my youth on the gay scene, or elsewhere. For example, as a teenager I was interested in acting and worked as an “extra” quite a bit, including on a number of costume dramas. There was a perfectly friendly and non-AGP (as far as I can tell) trans costume designer who was on several productions and did amazing work, and I never felt nervous getting changed in front of her or being fitted for whatever the latest outfit was. She was clearly male, but totally professional and not creepy at all. That was when the rule was “of course women notice you’re not a woman and you’re in a woman’s space or making the best effort to resemble one and act like one, so everyone is behaving well, and let’s be polite…” (I miss those days but wonder if they opened the door).

The “cotton ceiling” debacle changed things for me. I watched that happen in real time online. Somehow, men with a fetish began to realise they could be indulged in a way that I’d never previously seen. I had met a few trans lesbians before, indeed I had a friend who was, in the days before gay marriage, legally married to a trans woman (who has had “the operation”) because the trans woman had left her legal sex as male, and they were a happy and settled couple who I wouldn’t dream of having an issue with. But I really assumed this would be most unusual and in life, I’d hardly ever meet someone who was both a trans woman AND a lesbian.

But suddenly, in whatever remaining lesbian clubs and social events there were, and especially online, there were significant numbers of males and it was beginning to become expressly the case that lesbians were supposed to consider them as sexual and romantic partners as a matter of course, not an exception. I met a man well into his 40s, possibly older, who was dressed as a schoolgirl, pigtails and short skirt and all, in a lesbian (at that time, maybe THE!) lesbian nightclub in London, who wanted to show me the breasts that he declared he’d proudly grown on HRT. Again, I first thought this was a one-off and then it became something impossible to avoid: men who said they were women, who were interested in women. They had no intention of any surgery that would deprive them of their male organs and this was a real head-scratcher to me. Wasn’t it precisely the definition of trans that well… you had that surgery? Or dearly wanted it because you couldn’t stand that part of your body?

It began to dawn: the old jokes about being a lesbian trapped in a man’s body, the Lisa on The L Word kind of parody, were coming true and in a way that was weird and aggressive. Lesbians were now under pressure to “investigate their biases” or “reconsider their genital preferences.”

I could ramble on more but sorry I’ll save it for my blog…! Watching this ideology develop against lesbians first (because no-one really cares about overstepping lesbians’ boundaries and it happens constantly) was deeply eye-opening. After success there, the whole thing has taken off in a way I imagine even the most ardent proponents couldn’t have guessed. A heartbreaking element is what’s happening to children since this confusion has become recast as a fundamental “truth” rather than a (of course must be sensitively handled) medical condition.

 

[Notworthy]

I've said it on here before but going through the menopause has highlighted to me how crucial our hormones are. I don't think there has been a single bodily function that hasn't been impacted. I've had depression (never suffered before) My bowel movements have changed, my bladder needs are different, my joints ache, my brain has slowed down and I suffer brain fog. Always been a natural speller but now find myself having to google simple words. my drive has disappeared, I used to be highly career driven and owned 2 businesses. My weight, after being steady for 30+ years, shot up. my skin has literally overnight gone all wrinkly and loose on my arms. I could go on. If any proper research had been done the medical community would now know that hormones literally drive every part of our bodies.

 

[OatMatchaLatte]

This is another thing that for me is very troubling when we're talking about children, teens and young adults. We ALL have phases. I had a goth phase, a cybergoth phase, a rockabilly phase, a phase getting tattoos. I was vegan, vegetarian, pescatarian, did intermittent fasting. I had a phase wanting to be a personal trainer. I'm 39 and still go through phases. Other than a few tattoos - which are just a part of me - and now unused piercings, I'm not left with any long term implications of any of these phases.

My sister was a tomboy. She went by the name of George for a while, after Georgina / George, the tomboy in the Famous 5. She refused to wear skirts and dresses. She came out as a lesbian aged 18. If she was going through the George phase now, no doubt someone would be carting her off for gender reassignment.

She had a stonewall t shirt about 10 years ago that said "some people are gay. get over it" and I don't think that has ever been more relevant. YES, SOME PEOPLE ARE GAY. THEY'RE NOT IN THE WRONG BODY, THEY LIKE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE SAME SEX!

I'm so distressed by the diminishing rights me and other women have, and my heart goes out even more to lesbians who have to put up with the additional crap in the dating world.

 

[Gidget00_]

I went out for Lunch with my mum and sister earlier, before we left I needed to use the bathroom , as I was washing my hands a man walked in and I said oh sorry you are in the wrong bathroom and he looked disgusted and ran out of the bathroom in tears?? When I went back to my mum and sister a woman approached me ( I’m guessing a friend of the trans person) and said I should be ashamed of myself) I’m honestly so over this planet.

 

[FrannyGallops]

I used to work in a University and sometimes dealt with the students who had extenuating circumstances or those that needed extra help. You had those who had clearly visible disabilities that needed support and some with hidden conditions that clearly affected them then you had the blue haired brigade who seemed to me like it was all for attention. They were generally really fat or rail thin, had a range of conditions and syndromes that they displayed like a name badge that seemed to come and go on a whim, were pretty thick and utterly self absorbed. They treated their support worker like a personal PA and happily lived on the University campus as it was a protected little world of societies and support flags.

Bingo!
I have so much to say on this that I’ll probably end up writing paragraphs and offending some people, but when my son was at school, he was socially anxious, a bit shy and worried about what his peers thought about him (just like every other teenage kid of his age). He went to see the school counsellor who petted him a bit and offered him a special room in which to take his exams. In the end, he refused, after we’d had a chat and I told him that what he was feeling was just what everyone else his age was going through, and worrying about exams and pushing yourself out of your comfort zone is a good thing and a life skill that needs to be learned.

Anyway, my point is, and that once you start going down the route of mental illness/personality disorder whether that’s anxiety, tourettes, DID, being trans or any of the others that people pretend to have/be on tiktok, you find that it can come with certain benefits, whether that’s clout and likes on social media, exceptions made to normal everyday life or simply more attention. Imagine the power a teenager feels like they’re wielding when they can demand that not only do you have to refer to them as their new name in their presence, you have to refer to them as the same when you’re out of earshot. And if you don’t? Well, you’re a hateful bigot, mum boomer! And a Nazi to boot! They’re fighting the good fight and you’re just a relic from the past who can’t get with the times. Imo, society is doing teenagers a real disservice caving to their demands and never telling them no and pandering to their tantrums when they can’t get their own way.

Obviously I’m not referring to genuine mental illness here. In the past, the way we treated people with genuine mental illnesses and disabilities was often disgusting and downright cruel but we now seem to have swung the other way to compensate and we’re pathologising normal human emotions, to the extent where everyone needs a label or to be a victim of something to fit in.

 

[Our Cilla]

I honestly find it incredible that you can post


"Dylan Mulvaney is a man who is taking the piss out of women. If saying that makes me a transphobe then I'm happy to be one as it's a simple truth."


elsewhere on this forum and get 8 angry emoji reactions. Are these people actually paying attention to the content that Dylan puts out? That Nike video where he's exercising in the way he thinks women do is utterly blatant as a pisstake and also outright offensive. Women are not camp, mincing idiots and this arsehole needs to go away as well as be rightly questioned. Conversation about how awful he is should not be getting suppressed in the way that it is either.

Its so annoying on other threads as soon as anything gender related is mentioned, even if relevant, you are immediately told to get on the gender thread as if its the actual dark web.

 

[gigilouxx]

I feel so sad that the women and girls being stripped of their rights in Afghanistan by the Taliban isn’t even a cause that comes into the minds of the people who have enough influence and voice to make change.

It’s okay that a female doctor, a female accountant and a female engineer lose their jobs and made property of their husband. It’s okay for young girls to be denied education, having their hopes and dreams absolutely trampled on. But it’s absolutely not okay that Pete and John are banned from telling stories to 4 year olds and pissing in a woman’s toilet. I hate the world we live in, I hate the fact so many women lost their lives campaigning for our rights yet society treats us like second class citizens, breaking their backs for a man in a dress.

 

[weeweegie]

Just going back to some comments made recently about unconventional looking women claiming non binary identities. I’ve been thinking about it for a few days before posting because it is something I see a lot on social media. We all have our own pre conceived ideas of what women ‘should’ look like and the minute we stray from the (fat, no make up, wild hair, non conventional clothes etc etc), we somehow become less of a woman. It’s not something I personally believe but it’s so ingrained in society that we’ve got young ‘unconventional’ women now no longer seeing themselves as female, they are they/them, like this completely different being or something. I find it so sad and regressive that there’s such a rigid standard and stereotype for women now that if you even stray a little bit away from that, you’ve apparently lost your right to be a woman It just doesn’t make sense to me and honestly I find it quite depressing. I say this as an overweight person myself. I don’t often think about my ‘identity’ I’m just living my life in my female body and won’t let the internet define me into something ‘other’. I’m a woman, even if I don’t meet the ‘standard’ I am a woman nevertheless. But then I’m in my 40s and I think that makes a difference. A lot of these ones on social media are young women in their teens and twenties. I remember how hard it is figuring life out at that age. Never once did I question my gender identity though. Maybe because I don’t have one! I think it’s great if you can be happy with yourself even though society tells you you are less than. But it does such a disservice to women when you think you can identify out of it.

That’s my morning musings

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Jim Broadbent supports JKR.
Funny how it’s the older ones who have a level head, and haven’t been sucked in to the lies like the younger actors

Another Harry Potter star has shared ‘support’ for ‘amazing’ JK Rowling

A handful of the franchise’s adult actors have defended the controversial author

www.independent.co.uk

 

[DoraMaar]

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