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Shirley Manson can duck off too.
Manson's a fully paid up TWAW, which possibly shouldn't surprise us given her ode (Cherry Lips off their...third album I think) to literary fraud and grifter JT Leroy, who turned out to be a hoax character created by Lara Albert. The book 'Sarah' which purported to be written by JT LeRoy was about his past as a transsexual child prostitute and, iirc, includes a deeply disturbing scene involving CSA in which anal grape is metaphorised as menstruation. Basically a TiM's sexual fantasy

TBH I am rarely surprised or upset when singers or actors parrot TWAW because I look for singers and actors to entertain me, not to be public intellectuals. In fact the very fact that we seem to expect our entertainers to stand in for public intellectuals and to have all the 'right' opinions, only reinforces how intellectually vacuous we have become as a culture.
 
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We are so ducked, I think it's honestly over for the UK and I hate feeling/saying that. I've tried so hard not to be defeatist but once they got to the kids, we lost.
We really are, I think the tide will turn though with detransitioners. It’s a ticking time bomb, all of the damage that hormones and gender affirming medical procedures are doing.
 
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When you can't even watch the CFS without sex being pushed in your face, society has absolutely lost it.

I've basically retrated now. I consume very little and sometimes no current day media. I can't take the constant smut and 'boundary breaking' stuff. I do not want to have incest shoved in my face in what feels like every bloody drama going, I don't want let anyone attempt to brainwash me into being 'accepting' of anything.

It's not that there wasn't propaganda in the days before but the pornification and attempt to make it so absolutely nothing is taboo makes me sick to my stomach. I've been called an old church lady (not on here) for these views but in the real world I am far from alone in despising this stuff. It's not art, it's not edcuation. It's a platform that has been hijacked by the most utterly vile perverts who want the normalise their creepiness and force everyone to particpiate in their kinks, and parents should be screaming in the streets about it.
Had to comment to say I agree with everything you’ve said here. I feel exactly the same. Gratuitous sex scenes seem to be in just about everything these days, where they bring nothing to the story and simply degrade it. I have to switch off. What happened to great storytelling? An interesting plot? And my other particular hatred is the pornification of women in the music industry. Sick to death of seeing young women especially barely clothed and writhing around on stage while male performers are appropriately dressed. Hate it.
 
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Thank you for archiving this. I was genuinely shocked to learn that 89% of big charitable funding in Scotland actually comes from the governing SNP.

It's no wonder that Scotland "appears" to be all in on the trans tit, and adoring of the SNP, despite the terrible stats on life expectancy, educational attainment and of course the absolute scandal of the grape crisis centres. Public opinion and public norms have basically been bought by the Government.

I literally don't understand how such a huge conflict of interest can be legal. When you take into account the vastness of the Scottish public sector and third sector combined, it's about halfway to being a Soviet state. That's dreadful for ordinary Scots.

I used to spend a lot of time in Scotland and I can honestly say the Scots are the most entrepreneurial, creative and resilient people I've come across. I feel really, really bad for them.
The SNP have created a completely corrupt state. This is pretty much all on sturgeon.
If you look into the role of the Lord Advocate you would be horrified. It really is a conflict of interest as, at the moment, she is a prosecutor and legal advisor to the government.
That, plus the fact most journalists in Scotland are SNP fan girls - everything is swept under the carpet.
 
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When you can't even watch the CFS without sex being pushed in your face, society has absolutely lost it.

I've basically retrated now. I consume very little and sometimes no current day media. I can't take the constant smut and 'boundary breaking' stuff. I do not want to have incest shoved in my face in what feels like every bloody drama going, I don't want let anyone attempt to brainwash me into being 'accepting' of anything.

It's not that there wasn't propaganda in the days before but the pornification and attempt to make it so absolutely nothing is taboo makes me sick to my stomach. I've been called an old church lady (not on here) for these views but in the real world I am far from alone in despising this stuff. It's not art, it's not edcuation. It's a platform that has been hijacked by the most utterly vile perverts who want the normalise their creepiness and force everyone to particpiate in their kinks, and parents should be screaming in the streets about it.
Hard agree, everything's hyper sexualised now even very mainstream entertainment. And even when it's not, it's propagandised, hyper Progressivist views worked into the scripts and storylines. Honestly mainstream entertainment used to meet the requirements and enjoyments of the mainstream public. Now, it's hard to explain, but it almost feels like the creators of mainstream entertainment actively dislike the general public and want to shove our norms and values down our throats? Almost rub our noses in it if you like. It's a very odd feeling to have. I watch mainstream entertainment or news programmes and I feel like I'm being told off, rather than informed and/or entertained? It's not an entertaining feeling that's for certain. It feels more like being lectured or mocked, tbh.

I don't watch much current telly or streaming. I stopped in around 2014, when this feeling, that I was somehow being 'managed' or 'educated' or 'corrected', rather than entertained, really started to rise up in me. Books don't do this, as long as you're careful with non-fiction (especially history) not to pick anything published after about 2000, you're basically OK and you'll get to learn a lot without being propagandised.

If I'm gonna watch somehting it'll be a film from the 90s or earlier, or some classic TV like Prime Suspect, where plots and characters could unfold in an interesting and natural way which felt human and not.....soviet. Oh and then occasionally you'll get a breakout surpirse like Breaking Bad, which adheres to old entertainment values, and that's OK. Otherwise....nah.
 
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If I'm gonna watch somehting it'll be a film from the 90s or earlier, or some classic TV like Prime Suspect, where plots and characters could unfold in an interesting and natural way which felt human and not.....soviet.
Same here. I watch older stuff. Heartbeat, All Creatures Great and Small (the original one), Agatha Christie's Poirot and Miss Marple stories, and suchlike. It's comfort viewing, and I can rely on nothing horrible or disgusting, appearing on it.
 
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Same here. I watch older stuff. Heartbeat, All Creatures Great and Small (the original one), Agatha Christie's Poirot and Miss Marple stories, and suchlike. It's comfort viewing, and I can rely on nothing horrible or disgusting, appearing on it.
Thank goodness I have met my people glad to see it’s not just me.
 
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I'm really struggling to understand Zack Polanski. He's telling us we should all be happy and prancing about on stage saying that's what it's all about...

He thinks women should accept men into SS spaces and doesn't care if we aren't happy about it. Basically, if we aren't happy, we should just shut up and dance. Is that right?

I do wonder if he gets his ideas from Spongebob.

That said, the young'uns love him. I was telling my daughter how he believes he can hypnotise women into having bigger teats (and offered the footage). She doesn't care. She thinks we should give him a chance. I'm horrified by what I'm seeing unfold.
 
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I'm really struggling to understand Zack Polanski. He's telling us we should all be happy and prancing about on stage saying that's what it's all about...

He thinks women should accept men into SS spaces and doesn't care if we aren't happy about it. Basically, if we aren't happy, we should just shut up and dance. Is that right?

I do wonder if he gets his ideas from Spongebob.

That said, the young'uns love him. I was telling my daughter how he believes he can hypnotise women into having bigger teats (and offered the footage). She doesn't care. She thinks we should give him a chance. I'm horrified by what I'm seeing unfold.
He's a dark soul. The weekend press exposed senior Greens' whatsapp groups calling Jewish People abominations

It's not an environmental party anymore. It's exploiting the growing sectarianism of the UK, pandering to the worst extremes of eschatological Islamism, adopting highly misogynistic policies and calling them progress. They've had sex offenders and perverts in the party, they're cool with state euthanisation of the weak, sick and old. They are demonic and I'm saying that in the full Christian sense not in the slangy social media sense: The Greens are Demonic.

@ChastityDingle oh my God how could I forget Christie??? I love her! And you know the crazy thing is she was able to explore some very deep and even dark themes about human nature without having to have explicit violence, swearing, sex etc. She never had any of that but she really explored human nature. She tends to get lumped in with the disgusting modern trend of 'cosy crime' but actually she wasn't anything like that. She wrote properly good novels and never had to devolve to gore and splatter to do it.

Other female authors in that vein who I think were brilliant and deserve to be more widely read are Ruth Rendell, Patricia Highsmith, Celia Dale and Elizabeth Jane Howard.
 
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He's a dark soul. The weekend press exposed senior Greens' whatsapp groups calling Jewish People abominations

It's not an environmental party anymore. It's exploiting the growing sectarianism of the UK, pandering to the worst extremes of eschatological Islamism, adopting highly misogynistic policies and calling them progress. They've had sex offenders and perverts in the party, they're cool with state euthanisation of the weak, sick and old. They are demonic and I'm saying that in the full Christian sense not in the slangy social media sense: The Greens are Demonic.

@ChastityDingle oh my God how could I forget Christie??? I love her! And you know the crazy thing is she was able to explore some very deep and even dark themes about human nature without having to have explicit violence, swearing, sex etc. She never had any of that but she really explored human nature. She tends to get lumped in with the disgusting modern trend of 'cosy crime' but actually she wasn't anything like that. She wrote properly good novels and never had to devolve to gore and splatter to do it.

Other female authors in that vein who I think were brilliant and deserve to be more widely read are Ruth Rendell, Patricia Highsmith, Celia Dale and Elizabeth Jane Howard.
Leo Kearse joke....

Hitler was a failed art student and vegan - he blamed his problems on rich people and Jews - he'd be in the Green Party now.
 
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Leo Kearse joke....

Hitler was a failed art student and vegan - he blamed his problems on rich people and Jews - he'd be in the Green Party now.
Hahahahaha I love Leo Kearse this is funny af

Given added bite by the fact that Hitler was a committed environmentalist who was very head of his time in calling to explore renewable sources of energy, achieve 'Autarky' (self-sufficiency) in energy and reduce reliance on oil imports which he thought were controlled by the evil....you guessed it....

Truly, evil ideas do keep repeating themselves every couple of generations or so don't they
 
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Ugh, that's frightening. 😡
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Ireland has long been a key driver of gender identity policy

The Irish LGBTIQ+ agenda is not only an expanding one, but also a pioneering one.
In recent years we have seen the development of a coordinated European agenda in which Ireland plays a leading role and helps shape and export policies across European institutions. Irish politicians, activists and activist-politicians have been instrumental in pushing for transactivist policies in international institutions, and in driving the shift towards a gender identity focus within the EU. From Mary Robinson to Michael O’Flaherty, Maria Walsh to Leo Varadkar.


Ireland has long been a key driver of gender identity policy
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In a few months, on July 1st, Ireland will take over the rotating presidency of the Council of the European Union, also referred to as the presidency of the EU. This last happened 13 and a half years ago and will happen again in roughly that time. The presidency lasts for six months.

During that time you can expect a lot of very important high-level meetings, very busy side events and a very enthusiastic celebration of European values and democracy – which will include “efforts to promote and protect LGBTIQ+ rights”.

I am not saying this based on my assumptions, but on the National LGBTIQ+ Inclusion Strategy II – Action Plan 2025–2026 of the Government of Ireland.

One of its strategic objectives, placed under Pillar 4 (Equality and Non-Discrimination), is to advance the protection and promotion of LGBTIQ+ rights at an international level. This includes the UN, the EU, the Council of Europe, the OECD and the OSCE; embassy networks, outreach and funding initiatives, and specifically: the EU’s LGBTIQ+ Equality Strategy, and the Irish EU presidency.

You can also find this in Ireland’s Programme for Government, with the explicit commitment to “engage in discussions at key international forums, including the EU and the UN, to uphold the universal nature of human rights, ensuring that these rights apply equally to all individuals, regardless of gender identity, sexual orientation, or any other characteristic”.

The Irish LGBTIQ+ agenda is not only an expanding one, but also a pioneering one. In recent years we have seen the development of a coordinated European agenda in which Ireland plays a leading role and helps shape and export policies across European institutions. Irish politicians, activists and activist-politicians have been instrumental in pushing for transactivist policies in international institutions, and in driving the shift towards a gender identity focus within the EU. From Mary Robinson to Michael O’Flaherty, Maria Walsh to Leo Varadkar.

At the recent European Parliament vote, 12 of the 14 Irish MEPs supported the call to emphasise the importance of the recognition of trans identified men as women. This included Irish members of the European political groups of the Left, the Socialists and Democrats, and the Liberals, as well as the biggest and most influential group in the European Parliament: the European People’s Party and Christian Democrats, or EPP, a group “driven by a centre-right political vision”, of which Fine Gael is a founding member.

When it comes to gender identity, the EPP has become an immovable object. If anything, it is turning into an unstoppable force.

Last year, the LGBTIQ+ network within the EPP changed its name to EPPride. It is an associated entity within the EPP, with Fine Gael as one of its ten members. EPPride participated in the creation of the EPP election manifesto, cooperates with the EPP’s think tank, and gives workshops on “Strengthening the LGBT+ voice as part of the centre-right narrative”.

Meanwhile, Fianna Fáil, part of the European liberal Renew group, contributes its part; and both parties join forces in their relentless push to make Ireland best in class and to ease the burden of the collective failings of the past.

They talk to EU commissioners, lobby the committees and the European Parliament, and have repeatedly made their priorities clear:

expansion of self-ID regulations to include minors and to create a legal non-binary category
comprehensive bans on conversion therapy: a proposal from 2018 in Ireland went so far as to include a global jurisdiction clause concerning Irish citizens abroad
“the need to ensure equal recognition for families under Irish law”, which is code for surrogacy legalisation nationally and internationally
and hate speech and hate crime laws.
All of this comes with continued “international advocacy”, which is now aided by former Taoiseach Leo Varadkar, who holds a position as Senior Fellow in the Global LGBTQI+ Human Rights Program at Harvard Kennedy School, leading a project titled “The Future of LGBTQI+ Rights in the European Union“.

Here, the transactivist demands transform into policy language and emerge shapeshifted as equality, citizenship, democracy, the rule of law, non-discrimination, inclusion and values. For this, Varadkar will devise “a baseline of rights and protections that every EU member state should aspire to” and will be meeting stakeholders across Europe – equipped with connections, influence, reputation and resources.

In this framing, there are three aspects to particularly look out for:

burying women’s rights and violence against women in a linguistic and conceptual fog of gender and gender-based violence
a focus on sexual and reproductive health and rights as a policy field, advancing the interests of a male sexual rights movement that disguises the exploitation of women through surrogacy as “equality for rainbow families”
centring the debate around values and human dignity, using this framing to mobilise programmes, campaigns and resources, while expanding the scope of regulation into areas of justice and rule of law, shifting the issue away from women’s rights and presenting it instead as a priority concern of democracy
Under the banner of “human rights”, high-profile and heavily resourced stakeholders are advancing the interests of a sexual rights industry that profits from the sexual and reproductive exploitation of women while erasing women as a political and legal category altogether.

Ireland wants the driver’s seat when it comes to shaping this future of human rights. In August 2028, Europe will “follow the Rainbow” to Ireland for EuroPride.

This may all look grim. And it is. But it is important to understand what we are up against, and to know when, where and why we draw a line.
 
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The SNP have created a completely corrupt state. This is pretty much all on sturgeon.
If you look into the role of the Lord Advocate you would be horrified. It really is a conflict of interest as, at the moment, she is a prosecutor and legal advisor to the government.
That, plus the fact most journalists in Scotland are SNP fan girls - everything is swept under the carpet.
Must be, I've just been reading about how the SNP rallied round to protect convicted sex offenders Jordan Linden (a pedalo) and Patrick Grady.

Malcolm Clark has a big piece on his Substack.

Is something weird going down North of the border? Or has the SNP always been this skeevy and I just didn't notice?

ETA and also the SNP sex offenders Cameron Downing (jailed for 6 years for pedalo) and Derek MacKay! OK I'm serious this is not rhetorical what is going on with SNP?
 
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I dunno man. I'm always inclined to give Glinner a pass (although I don't think I'd want to spend time with him IRL) because if I'd lost as much as he has I'd be bitter af too.

On JKR - it's so fascinating to me how angry she makes men, how entitled they seem to feel to talk down or mansplain to her, how little they can hide their sheer rage.

I honestly believe what it boils down to is jealousy that a little woman can have more creativity and success in her little finger than the many, man men in the arts and creative industries.
It’s all the money, the oodles and oodles of money from her ‘little kids books’
 
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It’s all the money, the oodles and oodles of money from her ‘little kids books’
Well yes and this is the other thing I don't get - why her male detractors seem to keen to decry the Harry Potter series as little kids' books.

The series is a complex Bildungsroman which explores moral liminality, the responsibilities of adulthood, the perils of moral certainty, the self-sacrifice of leadership, our responsibilities to the weak and vulnerable, and the pain and ultimately the triumph of self-actualisation.

It's a kids series in the same way that Lord of the Rings or The Odyssey are kids' books. That's to say, it has a universal appeal because it explores deep Jungian themes, not because it's simple or childlike.

TBH tho, the trans movement privileges malignant narcissism and the pursuit of cheap pleasure over social, familial and ethical responsibility, so in that sense it's not a surprise that the challenging but important themes in Harry Potter make them feel uncomfortable.
 
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I'm really struggling to understand Zack Polanski. He's telling us we should all be happy and prancing about on stage saying that's what it's all about...

He thinks women should accept men into SS spaces and doesn't care if we aren't happy about it. Basically, if we aren't happy, we should just shut up and dance. Is that right?

I do wonder if he gets his ideas from Spongebob.

That said, the young'uns love him. I was telling my daughter how he believes he can hypnotise women into having bigger teats (and offered the footage). She doesn't care. She thinks we should give him a chance. I'm horrified by what I'm seeing unfold.
He’s a conman, and sadly there are always people who can be conned - and everyone else who looks askance. It’s frightening how many people are being conned into voting for him though (although he is in turn being used as a Trojan horse)
 
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Well yes and this is the other thing I don't get - why her male detractors seem to keen to decry the Harry Potter series as little kids' books.

The series is a complex Bildungsroman which explores moral liminality, the responsibilities of adulthood, the perils of moral certainty, the self-sacrifice of leadership, our responsibilities to the weak and vulnerable, and the pain and ultimately the triumph of self-actualisation.

It's a kids series in the same way that Lord of the Rings or The Odyssey are kids' books. That's to say, it has a universal appeal because it explores deep Jungian themes, not because it's simple or childlike.

TBH tho, the trans movement privileges malignant narcissism and the pursuit of cheap pleasure over social, familial and ethical responsibility, so in that sense it's not a surprise that the challenging but important themes in Harry Potter make them feel uncomfortable.
The automatic assumption that men’s activities and achievements are superior. See also that men do ART and women do crafts. Only one is studied for its history and importance whereas women can create a 3D garment out of a piece of string and a stick. (I know men knit too thanks to Tom Daley)

Why the Brontë sisters assumed male names. Why there are several notable Nobel winners who should have shared their prizes with their female co-workers and did not.

Every single male author who thinks they could have written HP in their sleep resents her.
 
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The automatic assumption that men’s activities and achievements are superior.
Interestingly, and apologies for the tangent, ancient Greek (ie pre-classical) epic and lyric poetry explicitly valorises the female work of weaving as being on the same important level as being an epic bard (seen as a very important and manly role because in a pre-literate society, bards were literally the keepers of literature).

In pre-classical Greek, the words for 'to weave' and 'to sing epic poetry' have the same Indo-European root.

In Homeric epic, Penelope, Kirke and Helene are all explicitly shown at their looms commemorating the past deeds of great heros by depicting them in tapestry. This is explicitly presented as being equal in societal value to male bards (also depicted in Homer) commemorating the past deeds of great heros in song.

In this society, women's work was literally key to maintaining a society's cultural identity.

off topic but always makes me happy

much academic literature on this topic if of interest
 
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Hard agree, everything's hyper sexualised now even very mainstream entertainment. And even when it's not, it's propagandised, hyper Progressivist views worked into the scripts and storylines. Honestly mainstream entertainment used to meet the requirements and enjoyments of the mainstream public. Now, it's hard to explain, but it almost feels like the creators of mainstream entertainment actively dislike the general public and want to shove our norms and values down our throats? Almost rub our noses in it if you like. It's a very odd feeling to have. I watch mainstream entertainment or news programmes and I feel like I'm being told off, rather than informed and/or entertained? It's not an entertaining feeling that's for certain. It feels more like being lectured or mocked, tbh.

I don't watch much current telly or streaming. I stopped in around 2014, when this feeling, that I was somehow being 'managed' or 'educated' or 'corrected', rather than entertained, really started to rise up in me. Books don't do this, as long as you're careful with non-fiction (especially history) not to pick anything published after about 2000, you're basically OK and you'll get to learn a lot without being propagandised.

If I'm gonna watch somehting it'll be a film from the 90s or earlier, or some classic TV like Prime Suspect, where plots and characters could unfold in an interesting and natural way which felt human and not.....soviet. Oh and then occasionally you'll get a breakout surpirse like Breaking Bad, which adheres to old entertainment values, and that's OK. Otherwise....nah.
Same - watch and re-watch the older stuff and listen to old radio plays on YouTube. Have lots of DVDs as well - almost all old films, period dramas and BBC comedy series (from when comedy was funny).

We've never had more channels and less to actually watch than we have now.
 
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Same here. I watch older stuff. Heartbeat, All Creatures Great and Small (the original one), Agatha Christie's Poirot and Miss Marple stories, and suchlike. It's comfort viewing, and I can rely on nothing horrible or disgusting, appearing on it.
Same here. I hate modern films and series for showing depraved stuff. Its not just the sexual stuff, it's the violence too. I presumed I'm more sensitive to it because I have been abused, I have no wish to see it for recreation. Old Hollywood movies are good escapism and I adore Golden Girls. Simpler times. I know thing were far from perfect in the old days but I suppose they were less complex and the world was more green.
 
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