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🇮🇪 The Examiner today

The general gist centred on a belief that some, if not many, who change their gender from male to female are liable to use entry to facilities like single sex bathrooms to prey on women. There is a dispute over the incidence of any such occurrence, but, as is standard for today’s world, a single or perceived incident can easily be blown up into a phenomenon if it fits neatly into an agenda.

Mick Clifford: Gender discourse pays scant regard to those it most directly impacts
 
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A prison officer who was sacked for refusing to use wrong pronouns has lost his appeal. Although the judge was satisfied he ‘held a philosophical belief protected by the Equality Act’ (it still jars me that calling a biological male ‘he’ is a ‘philosophical belief’), he was sacked for not complying with the company’s policies on trans prisoners, rather than his beliefs. Surely this is setting a precedent to potentially overturn the Forstater judgment in that, regardless of your ‘beliefs’, if you do not tow the line regarding using wrong-sex pronouns at work, you can still be sacked anyway. In other words, your language can now be compelled. If you want to stay employed, you are forced to reject the evidence of your own eyes and ears.

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This is the problem people far smarter than me alluded to. The Maya Forstater judgement protects gender critical views as a belief but it doesn't allow us to misgender people with impunity.
There will have to be further court cases because it's not reasonable to expect people to comply with the lie that someone has changed sex and have to validate their delusions.
 
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🇮🇪 The Examiner today

The general gist centred on a belief that some, if not many, who change their gender from male to female are liable to use entry to facilities like single sex bathrooms to prey on women. There is a dispute over the incidence of any such occurrence, but, as is standard for today’s world, a single or perceived incident can easily be blown up into a phenomenon if it fits neatly into an agenda.

Mick Clifford: Gender discourse pays scant regard to those it most directly impacts
It doesn't matter that "there is dispute over the incidence of such occurrence" does it? Women are allowed to say we don't want males in our spaces. And we shouldn't have to explain that this is: because there might be a risk of such an occurrence; for religious reasons; because some women have been subject to abuse; because women deal with messy biology or any of the other multiple reasons. We don't want them there. Those spaces are not for them, they are for us. And if just one single woman doesn't agree to it, it's a no. Because consent isn't transferable.
Sick of the bleeping hand wringing on this. Just stay out.
 
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They really do have a humour bypass don't they? (Context larsot on X was approached by a pretend PI, this was one of the comments and the response).

The TRA's would get so much further in life if they just learnt to laugh a little.
 

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They really do have a humour bypass don't they? (Context larsot on X was approached by a pretend PI, this was one of the comments and the response).

The TRA's would get so much further in life if they just learnt to laugh a little.
Poor guy is currently being targeted by the likes of Tarquin et al. Yesterday he was interviewed by police on suspicion of ‘malicious communication’.
 
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New York! New York! It WAS a wonderful town!


ETA: "Iran (a Shia Muslim country) is one of the global leaders in gender-affirming surgeries, ranking second only to Thailand. The reason? Homosexuality is a crime in Islam, so effeminate boys who would otherwise grow up gay are pressured to undergo gender transition to become socially acceptable. In his first month as mayor, Mamdani financed gender-affirming care for children. Mamdani is a Shia Muslim. This is a crime and a violation of gay rights. What you are witnessing are policies aligned with Islam, not progress."
 
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I can’t understand why women and men but especially women join unison as from personal experience they are happy to take the funds but do sweet fa about the problems they should be sorting out omo
I’m a very reluctant member as I’m a mum to a disabled daughter and wanted some semblance of backing if tit hit the fan and work were difficult about the flexibility I need. I have been very fortunate that my work are fab and think I will be cancelling my membership soon anyway.
 
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I’m a very reluctant member as I’m a mum to a disabled daughter and wanted some semblance of backing if tit hit the fan and work were difficult about the flexibility I need. I have been very fortunate that my work are fab and think I will be cancelling my membership soon anyway.
Could you see whether you could change to the Darlington Nurses Union? I don't know whether they accept non Nurses?
 
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I (mid 30s) strongly suspect I have some form of it because I have been struggling a lot with how I process things and my interpersonal relationships etc. I've hit a wall mentally, emotionally, and I have always been what I consider a bit quirky but actually I stim a lot when I get home, after a day at work or being outside. Reading about masking rings all the bells, and struggles I had at school and in my personal life make sense in light of the realisation. It's not wanting a label to be cool, I genuinely have struggled and beat myself up over the years. I was well behaved at school so I was ignored. It was a crappy school that had behavioural/respect problems so others' educational needs got swept under the carpet because staff were fighting fire all the time. I got to my final year at uni before I broke down because I was struggling to cope with the course. Only then did I get an assessment for dyslexia that found I had significant issues with my working memory that affected my coursework. This was like 18 years ago.

The problem I find is that especially for girls, is if you are well behaved and do your homework and don't cause trouble your learning difficulties or ADHD or Autism traits are missed. School was so loud amd stressful amd I would come home and basically sit and rock in my bedroom and scratch my scalp to ribbons and it would take ages for my brain to calm after the day. My parents put it down to stress but never got me seen to.

Now, I recognise the same thing when work has been bad. My mind races all the way home and I have to fidget and sing (like bizarre selective vocal tics that embarrass me) and decompress when I get home. But I don't do any of that (except fidget with my hands) at work. It's that I have learned to mask and come home and take time to let it all out.

This past year I've seen videos of folk doing the same and talking about their traits and I'm like this...is me... It feels like a revelation.

But I got through school and I hold down a job so on the one hand I don't want to pay 💸💸💸 for a private diagnosis when I can 'function', equally I don't want to queue up for an NHS diagnosis because I'd feel guilty. I have always felt guilty about taking up space in life and have poor feelings of self worth, but I also feel very black and white about justice things. Like the whole gender ideology issue matters because my brain hurts that this blatant lie (TWAW) is being inflicted on us.

I may still seek a diagnosis in the future when I can convince myself I deserve to be seen, but I definitely know have something because my whole life experiences point to it and I am so tired about everything.

It actually hurts my very soul and brain when people try to lie about the immutability of sex because we all can see and know it's biological fact.

Also to add I think my Dad is very much on the spectrum as his behaviours and quirks ring many bells. So I reckon it's always been in many families it's just only being understood very recently.
Another one here, holds hand up. I self diagnosed about 5 years ago and it was a revelation, immediate lifting of the feeling that I have had all my life of being wrong. I have so obviously been " masking" all of my life and it has got so bad now that I am in my sixties that I collapse with mental exhaustion after the most simple of social occasions with the effort of having to be seen as normal.

I won't seek a diagnosis, I am happy to know what I have (I think of it as Asperger's) but we can see signs in the kids and knowledge and acceptance at home will hopefully see them navigate through life being more at ease with themselves than I have ever been.

I find it difficult, nigh on impossible, to comprehend how anyone can believe any of the ideology behind trans.
 
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A superhero by mocking women? What the actual eff is wrong with people praising these deranged men? There is nothing admirable about walking around with a cushion up your jumper pretending to be pregnant when you’re male. Of course, these creeps thrive on the praise.
I have zero sympathy for surgeons getting sued. This is what happens when you carry out unethical Frankenstein surgery on deluded people with fetishes who clearly haven’t got the mental capacity to understand you cannot change sex.
 
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I agree with loads of what you say too. It’s so complex and murky isn’t it?

One problem with the autism spectrum being so wide is that it incorporates a lot of things that aren’t actually autism. So you’ll see kids with Down’s Syndrome with an additional diagnosis of autism (I would argue that their “autistic traits” are simply because they have a learning disability), kids with foetal alcohol syndrome who are instead diagnosed with autism/ADHD, kids with other undiagnosed genetic conditions (including severe epilepsy) who only have a diagnosis of autism.

There’s definitely been a lot of lazy diagnosing going on the past 15 or so years. Private practitioners taking advantage of massive NHS waiting times but aren’t being very thorough with their assessments.

And yes, a lot of piss takers.

I wish more people would talk about these demographics taking away from genuine autistics in need, rather than low support needs autistics being the problem.
I totally agree. When you’re high functioning (especially as a woman) you’re so used to masking and just getting on with it, that when you’re diagnosed it’s a surprise as you just thought you were quirky or different.

I got diagnosed with ADHD in the US at the same time as my then 7 year old. She was seeing her therapist for grief counselling after my mum passed, and she said my little girl has OCD (intrusive thoughts), ADHD and possibly autism. She’s gifted too and is advanced at school. She then looked at me and told me she could tell I have ADHD and possibly on the spectrum toll. I’m 41 now, what am I supposed to do with that?
 
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I'm all for transplanting uteri* into transwomen so they can get pregnant. But only if they agree to squeeze the bablet out of their winkles. No C-section for you guys.

(* Obviously I'm working on a synthetic uterus, no woman is going to be giving hers up for my hideous Frankenstein totally ethical and life affirming experiment)
 
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I can’t say I have ever heard any women wishing violence on trans people. Certainly not death. However, how many times have I seen TIM describing exactly what they’d like to do to those of us who stand up for our rights and won’t indulge their vile fetish. These are supposedly the most vulnerable people in society and we are evil bigots. Listen to the hatred coming from this nasty piece of work. The more they spout stuff like this, the more I despise them.
I’ve seen him before somewhere. Is he the one that makes up tuneless songs about transphobia?
 
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This is the problem people far smarter than me alluded to. The Maya Forstater judgement protects gender critical views as a belief but it doesn't allow us to misgender people with impunity.
There will have to be further court cases because it's not reasonable to expect people to comply with the lie that someone has changed sex and have to validate their delusions.
It's really the same (in my mind anyway) as having to agree with people's religion.
I'm not actually an argumentative person IRL but if somebody confronted me and asked me to to believe in, speak of, or allude to the existence of God, Allah, Buddha or one of the 1000s of other gods that people believe in (hmmm, some of them MUST be wrong, right?!), then I would say No! That mythical creature you've just mentioned does not exist for me.
I refuse to acknowledge it but you're fine to keep on believing in it.
Would I then risk losing my job, be fined, sued or jailed?
 
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It's really the same (in my mind anyway) as having to agree with people's religion.
I'm not actually an argumentative person IRL but if somebody confronted me and asked me to to believe in, speak of, or allude to the existence of God, Allah, Buddha or one of the 1000s of other gods that people believe in (hmmm, some of them MUST be wrong, right?!), then I would say No! That mythical creature you've just mentioned does not exist for me.
I refuse to acknowledge it but you're fine to keep on believing in it.
Would I then risk losing my job, be fined, sued or jailed?
It's a bit more nuanced than that because Religion is literally a belief so it fits into the legislation and you would be protected.
The problem with Sex is that it doesn't. Biological sex is not a belief, it is a material reality and no one should be forced pretend otherwise.
Men do not pass (Women can) so we are being expected to ignore what our eyes and senses tell us and lie.
 
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