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Jelly Bean

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What an interesting thread.
Yes I believe Jesus existed and yes I believe in God. It's quite an old fashioned opinion amongst my peer group these days tbh so I rarely voice it. It brings me deep comfort and happiness though I'm not a church goer.
 
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prozacprincess

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I think it’s highly probable that a man existed that was charismatic enough to influence others into following him and the tales have been exaggerated over time.
A lot of his so called miracles can be explained away with a combination of magic tricks and mass hysteria. I do not believe he was the son of god because god does not exist.

If he was around today we would either lock him away with some very strong meds or he’d be on celebrity big brother 😂
 
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Mark81

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Yes I believe he existed, and that the broad story has truth to it (gained a following, scared government, was killed). Could he have risen? I guess there's a slim chance if they only thought he was dead, but it's unlikely. And all the healing stuff was likely untrue, luck or maybe natural medicine.

I think that might be true to a lot of bible stories, very loosely based on some true happenings the time.

I don't think I believe in God, but I do have a spiritual side. I think God, and organised religion, was likely a way to help control society, and the ten commandments aren't a bad set of rules to live by
 
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Joon

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No I don't believe in Jesus or God..I think its law and order to keep us on the straight and narrow. Ie The Ten Commandments, also being brainwashed at an early age, and follow what your parents do.As you get older it all begins to make sense. JMO...
 
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ImDavidBrent

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Yes I believe Jesus existed, but I believe a lot of the stories about him written in the bible were symbolic and not to be taken as literal. I also believe he was more a healer and parts have been exaggerated as the gospels are like Chinese whispers. I actually wrote my dissertation on how Jesus was portrayed in the bible stories and the possible accuracy but alas that was a while ago now and my brain has pushed all that information out haha.

Interesting thread and I like reading different view points.
 
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Fruitshop

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Yes I believe he existed. I think the birth and crucifixion are largely true but all miracles are a huge case of Chinese whispers. I don’t believe he is the son of god but I think his teachings are definitely his words. I don’t believe in God btw. Sorry if this offends anyone, just my two pennth.
 
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Bobby Chariot

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There's definitely every possibility that someone like Jesus existed, there were probably many, many others like him too, all trying to form their own tribe of believers & followers.
But as for stuff like God creating everything in 7 days, a "virgin birth", Moses parting The Red Sea, Adam & Eve, well that's all total nonsense in my opinion, but it makes for a good story.
 
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dorydaryl

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Even in modern society, 'Jesuses' are popping up like whack-a-moles. People who think they are the reincarnation of the original. I'm inclined towards thinking that such a man did exist but, as others have said, he was an amalgamation of many. There was something on QI about Christians hijacking a pagan tradition of 'Mithras', which became Christmas. Similarly, it grew around a man who was said to be born of a virgin and who became divine in some way. Similarly with Easter ('Oestre'- something to do with eggs and fertility).

I was raised a Catholic and did buy into much of it all for many years until I learned more about the (very deep) flaws in the Catholic religion as an institution. I've since abandoned all that but would still say I had 'faith'. My partner, also raised Catholic but now atheist asked me, recently, how I could have 'faith' if I no longer believe in much of what I was taught. I tried to explain that I just entrust myself to 'whatever'- faith in fate, so to speak. If there is some kind of divine entity, I'll be judged on how I live my life and the good things that I try to do. I try to keep it simple. I don't feel the need to do endless rituals to secure a place in some afterlife. Goodness, kindness and awareness of my (multiple) faults are the basic tenets of my 'faith'. If there is some kind of afterlife, it might count for something. I do try to keep some of the Christian values, just because I'd rather tune in to the better side of human nature than the worst. If there isn't an afterlife, so be it.

Cynics would say I'm 'hedging my bets', lol!
 
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Warpaint

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As in not on a spiritual level, that there was an actual person wandering around making such an impact on people at the time. Or is he just an amalgamation of other people and stories at the time to create one perfect person.

I don't believe there's any sort of truth in the nativity story so don't think that helps. However the narrative of his death seems fairly possibly - young hippy prophet pissing off the older Priests so they give the Romans the nod to execute him to avoid a fuss (however this power balance has always been disputed as well). Still even though there's quite a concise story of his death, no evidence of him is around to say, and writing seemed to start hundreds of years after.

I woke up early as as it's Easter started pondering :LOL:
 
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Niknak

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I agree @mochibean, my opinion is that Jesus was a man with a mental illness who genuinely believed he was the son of God. In this day and age he would be ridiculed and possibly sectioned, but I can fully appreciate why he and other prophets/religions developed a following before science gave us a lot of explanations.

Despite not believing in God myself, I understand why people do still believe even now - it is hard to get your head around how our planet is a perfect distance from our sun for life to exist.

I'm like you @RaveChampion - I'm envious of those who have faith, of any religion. To put your trust in a higher power to see you through the bad times and to be thankful to for the good times must be so settling and calming.

I love threads like this where a differences of opinion are embraced and not berated ❤.
 
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Katienana

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Yes I believe he existed. I believe he was a travelling preacher who had some sort of event happen to him to make him think he was the son of God. Maybe voices in his head (like Joan of Arc).

I believe he was subsequently crucified on the cross. That was a typical barbaric punishment in those times. So many people executed throughout history for their beliefs or going against the status quo.

I think yes, he was born in a stable, I can almost hear him preaching about his humble upbringing to a crowd. And I think his status as son of God was cemented by a few lucky 'miracles' happening which made doubters believe him (doubting Thomas). Things that we would scoff at now, but in those days must have seemed like a miracle. A bit like blood moons and comets being seen as 'signs' by pagans etc

But the fishes and loaves thing, rising from the dead, nope. Concocted to keep his following and faith going by his followers. I think his death had the opposite effect of making him a legend rather than stamping out his following/preaching.

Incidentally, Mr Peas thinks that he may have been in a coma / presumed dead after being on the cross, and did indeed 'rise from the dead' when his supposed dead body was being attended too/ washed. I think there might be something in that - we've all heard the stories of scratch marks being found on the inside of coffins because the person was actually still alive, just probably comatose
The fishes and loaves thing is not meant to be taken literally. The crowd were satisfied with the word of God and that's why the food was enough to feed everyone. We were taught this in GCSE RE at Catholic school. The miracles are all to demonstrate putting your faith in God paying off.
I think he existed, and I think his message was positive but its been misinterpreted and used to control people for thousands of years.
 
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Jelly Bean

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As a believer in Jesus and God I find comparative religion fascinating.
How a lot of religions have the same basic ideas at heart. Even the ones that at first glance seem different. It is interesting to think how these ideas started, thousands of miles apart.
 
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givepeasachance

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Yes I believe he existed. I believe he was a travelling preacher who had some sort of event happen to him to make him think he was the son of God. Maybe voices in his head (like Joan of Arc).

I believe he was subsequently crucified on the cross. That was a typical barbaric punishment in those times. So many people executed throughout history for their beliefs or going against the status quo.

I think yes, he was born in a stable, I can almost hear him preaching about his humble upbringing to a crowd. And I think his status as son of God was cemented by a few lucky 'miracles' happening which made doubters believe him (doubting Thomas). Things that we would scoff at now, but in those days must have seemed like a miracle. A bit like blood moons and comets being seen as 'signs' by pagans etc

But the fishes and loaves thing, rising from the dead, nope. Concocted to keep his following and faith going by his followers. I think his death had the opposite effect of making him a legend rather than stamping out his following/preaching.

Incidentally, Mr Peas thinks that he may have been in a coma / presumed dead after being on the cross, and did indeed 'rise from the dead' when his supposed dead body was being attended too/ washed. I think there might be something in that - we've all heard the stories of scratch marks being found on the inside of coffins because the person was actually still alive, just probably comatose
 
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monga

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Yes I believe he existed ,in a similar way todays preachers gather large followings.
 
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emmer_moans

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I was brought up in a Christian family with a vicar in the family so I was brought up on it but I've left organised religion behind in my adulthood. I still believe in the likely existence of God, however the form may be, but I am sort of agnostic too, as in 'I just can't be sure'. I take comfort from thinking someone might be 'there' watching out for me but also I get upset when bad stuff happens because then it feels like maybe its happening for a nefarious reason so I definitely go back and forth with the faith side.

Regarding Jesus, I think it is very plausible there would be a charismatic leader and back then, verbal stories would have been shared and passed on etc, but we don't really know the truth of the situation but I guess I believe he existed. I'm not sure how I feel about the miracles etc.

I don't think we ever truly know.
I don't think we are here by mistake but I also don't get why the eff we are here... and I'm not sure what to believe about a second coming etc. We just don't know anything really.
 
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jenh526

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I was raised Catholic and my mom was a former nun. She had been basically orphaned as a child and the nuns sort of raised her, so it really was more the direction her life was going rather than any spiritual calling that led her to it.

However, my mom was a very ethical and good person. She deeply believed in service to others, and I believe Catholicism played a substantial role in that attitude. And this is where I think religion plays a role in society, even though I am agnostic. The teachings of Jesus are important and necessary for a functioning society, and to be reminded of them on a weekly basis isn’t a bad thing (if they aren’t misinterpreted). The Catholic church, for all its faults, does place an emphasis on service to others, which I believe is very much in line with Jesus’ message. It’s something I feel is sorely missing in today’s society with the decline of church attendance.
 
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Wolfshead

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I believe he existed in the way that I believe Robin Hood existed. I think there were guys who went around talking to people about the Roman occupation; getting people riled up and protesting. I think there were probably many of them and we've compounded them into a single entity called Jesus Christ. It has been said that Jesus was the first communist and I think he (or they) probably was in a sense. However, I don't believe there was anything supernatural about the figure. No doubt he was crucified as that was a popular punishment at the time. Many people who rebelled against the Roman occupation were probably crucified. Possible to "rise from the dead"? I doubt it. As I understand it crucified people die of suffocation because of the position of the body. Oh and that whole stigmata thing? When a person's crucified the nails are driven into the wrists - not the palms of the hands.

The rest of it is just stories invented to control the population - a scam that's worked very well for a couple of thousand years.
 
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L3moning

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I'm an atheist.

I think Jesus existed, but he was nothing more than a radical preacher who the government / local religious authorities got pissed off with. So they did the last thing you should do in that situation. They killed him. Which - in a manner of speaking - made him live forever.
 
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thegirlscout

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Yes I believe there was a man who existed who was quite radical in his beliefs and that may have raised eyebrows with those in local authority hence him being put to death.
As for the religious element I’m wondering if it’s years of storytelling that turned his story into something else entirely.
Has anyone read The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov? It features a few chapters dedicated to Yeshua Ha-Nozri (Aramaic for Jesus of Nazareth) his meeting with Pontius Pilate and his death.
 
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Jelly Bean

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I think Jesus was real, and also mentally ill.

Religious delusions are common so I do believe that to be a possibility. People with mental illnesses like schizophrenia and bipolar often have delusions and hallucinations and the belief that they are the next coming of Jesus. This was way before any medicine or understanding of these illnesses so people were probably more inclined to believe it. He got a cult-like following and it stemmed from there. Indoctrinating others as we see with religious cults today, and these people genuinely believed it.

This thread is so interesting, I love reading what others think about this. My opinion isn't to discredit anyone's faith, I do believe we were put here by something/someone, not necessarily the Christian view of god, because the fact we even exist is incomprehensible otherwise. The Big Bang is just a theory, so a God/higher power could potentially exist, but I can only believe in what I see with my own eyes.
I am a believer in Jesus and God (but also the gods outside of Christianity - it's all the same thing to me) and don't think your interesting views are discrediting in any way. It's all just opinion.
I'm a believer because I just am and I can't explain it in a sensible or logical way at all. It makes no sense.
Arguments for and against here are very interesting and respectful.
 
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