David Walliams #2

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Earlier in the thread there was a screenshot from the Private Eye podcast (re a third celeb) and I just wanted to recommended it to all! It’s called Page 94. They often talk about things other media orgs are (curiously!) not talking about or before others do- eg Private Eye was on the case regarding the Postmaster scandal years ago.
 
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His poor son in all of this. Bear in mind Lara currently has breast cancer, and David has been exposed as a potential pon.
I hope the lad has good people around him. He's 13, I think, which is a brutal age anyway, without this awful furore about his dad all over the news, and his mum being poorly. :( I hope David thinks about him before doing anything to harm himself.
 
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There is a channel 4 clip on youtube talking about Walliams and other men in the industry yet to be outed, at one poimt one of the women references a man 'throwing a hissy fit and walking off set, cancelling production' noting a woman would never work again if she did that.

The only person I can think of who has done that recently is Noel Fielding on the Apple fool Turpin show.
 
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Just looked on the rum front page for any updates and the main story below RB story is this highly provocative picture of a wannabe celebrity who turned 18 only a few weeks ago and is very petite and “childlike”. What a depressing mixed message to portray.
Oh my gosh I saw this yesterday & was horrified. 🥴
 
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Oh my gosh I saw this yesterday & was horrified. 🥴
Double standards in the 'popular' press are staggering. Utterly ridiculous. No wonder there is lots of 'talk' but little real change. All for thrills and outrage. At least there are places like Tattle to highlight and discuss them. Ok, so it's a 'gossip' site but the things that matter to people are broadly discussed here and you get all shades of opinion. I don't always agree with some posts but it does help give me a more rounded way of thinking, and helps me to appreciate differing perspectives.

N.B. Edited for a bit more detail.

Edited to also add: And yet the 'popular press' gun after and love to villify Tattle. Oh, sweet irony!
 
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I've genuinely had enough. The past two days I've had to listen to conversations between coworkers (all women, btw), making the most disgusting comments about victims of sexual abuse and grooming - 'they wanted it at the time, now they're playing the victim', 'they were of legal age', 'it was different back in the day'.

I was groomed by someone in the entertainment industry when I was in my 20s and he was in his 50s, and the abuse really did a number on me. I was so distressed by these comments that I ran to the toilets crying and shaking. I genuinely cannot fathom how women, of all people, can brazenly say these things, not even considering that someone they know has probably been affected by it? I'm genuinely considering just going home, I don't come into work to be subjected to this.
 
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I've genuinely had enough. The past two days I've had to listen to conversations between coworkers (all women, btw), making the most disgusting comments about victims of sexual abuse and grooming - 'they wanted it at the time, now they're playing the victim', 'they were of legal age', 'it was different back in the day'.

I was groomed by someone in the entertainment industry when I was in my 20s and he was in his 50s, and the abuse really did a number on me. I was so distressed by these comments that I ran to the toilets crying and shaking. I genuinely cannot fathom how women, of all people, can brazenly say these things, not even considering that someone they know has probably been affected by it? I'm genuinely considering just going home, I don't come into work to be subjected to this.
That's sounds absolutely awful. Poor you. Is there anybody you could talk to to say you find the subject matter disturbing and actually inappropriate for the workplace?
I just don't get people's attitudes to the whole thing with Brand. I have never known anything like it. The amount of people being so downright nasty and cruel about victims. I avoid X because it's so dreadful atm. It feels like attitudes are going backwards tbh.
 
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The comments that eventually got him sacked came from way down the chain and someone was able to funnel them higher up, which makes me so pissed off that Fremantle can say ‘we never heard any complaints about his conduct!’

Ask me how I know- I worked as part of a small team of transcribers on BGT. When filming the live shows, the judges are mic’d up the whole time. On coffee breaks, in between takes, in hair an make up. They take them off only to go to the loo.

We were instructed to transcribe absolutely everything, every word, every totally banal interaction between them because they use it for extra bonus material should they ever say anything amusing . I myself transcribed DW rudely say he was ‘over it and tired’ and that young fans queuing to get their book signed in the breaks should ‘get a life’. Added to that comments that very young female runners were ‘gorgeous’ and Walliams requesting that Cowell give up ‘his’ runner to DW because she was more ‘his type’. What you transcribed totally depended on whatever segment you were given, and the other judges never said anything particularly note worthy (though Amanda was pretty witchy-schoolgirl in her demeanour)

I can imagine that whoever transcribed DW make the comments that eventually got him sacked managed to find a way to pass them up the chain, (it was strictly forbidden to save any material or screenshot) and I don’t doubt that by that point they were grateful to find a way to be rid of him as rumours about his conduct had been swirling to the point that could no longer be laughed off.

It was his grooming of a female runner that I raised an issue about, but the consensus was that she was quite flattered by the attention so why on earth would I take issue with it.
 
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Just reading the popbitch stuff.

How on earth was it that a gossip site was telling the public stuff and being threatened with injunctions years and years ago, I think one report was 2007, and yet the rest of the world, including friends and employers of Walliams, didnt have a clue??
I think people heard things but without evidence and the fact he was apparently very litigious nothing ever came from it.
 
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I've genuinely had enough. The past two days I've had to listen to conversations between coworkers (all women, btw), making the most disgusting comments about victims of sexual abuse and grooming - 'they wanted it at the time, now they're playing the victim', 'they were of legal age', 'it was different back in the day'.

I was groomed by someone in the entertainment industry when I was in my 20s and he was in his 50s, and the abuse really did a number on me. I was so distressed by these comments that I ran to the toilets crying and shaking. I genuinely cannot fathom how women, of all people, can brazenly say these things, not even considering that someone they know has probably been affected by it? I'm genuinely considering just going home, I don't come into work to be subjected to this.
Yep, it's a horrifying, albeit very common, view held by many women, sadly.

Has anyone seen the clip of Carole Malone on Jeremy Vine's show saying how these famous men who abuse basically 'fall victim' to being surrounded by these girls?
 
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I've genuinely had enough. The past two days I've had to listen to conversations between coworkers (all women, btw), making the most disgusting comments about victims of sexual abuse and grooming - 'they wanted it at the time, now they're playing the victim', 'they were of legal age', 'it was different back in the day'.

I was groomed by someone in the entertainment industry when I was in my 20s and he was in his 50s, and the abuse really did a number on me. I was so distressed by these comments that I ran to the toilets crying and shaking. I genuinely cannot fathom how women, of all people, can brazenly say these things, not even considering that someone they know has probably been affected by it? I'm genuinely considering just going home, I don't come into work to be subjected to this.
It’s internalized misogyny. In the past women were conditioned to be subservient to men, and though this attitude is changing it’s still very prevalent in Boomers and older Gen X.
 
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I've genuinely had enough. The past two days I've had to listen to conversations between coworkers (all women, btw), making the most disgusting comments about victims of sexual abuse and grooming - 'they wanted it at the time, now they're playing the victim', 'they were of legal age', 'it was different back in the day'.

I was groomed by someone in the entertainment industry when I was in my 20s and he was in his 50s, and the abuse really did a number on me. I was so distressed by these comments that I ran to the toilets crying and shaking. I genuinely cannot fathom how women, of all people, can brazenly say these things, not even considering that someone they know has probably been affected by it? I'm genuinely considering just going home, I don't come into work to be subjected to this.
it’s genuinely so distressing to me that sometimes the greatest enemy to women is other women. like you, the things i’ve heard women (not to generalise but mainly older women around my mum’s age) in work say this week has horrified me. where is the empathy? the understanding for how young these girls were? how scared they must have been? it’s all omg but they did this they did that what was he supposed to do (idk, maybe NOT be a massive predator?)

internalised misogyny (and male centered women in general) just makes me sick.
 
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And you know that many of these women who are sympathetic to Brand/Walliams will have experienced sexual violence themselves. But they probably find it easier to pivot to this ducked up internalized misogyny, rather than honestly confront some experiences from their own past.
 
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The pictures of “super 🤢 dave” have been available freely for years. The videos of him SA boys on stage have been available freely for years. His disdain for anyone he views as “lesser” than him- poor people, mentally ill, LD, poorly educated, “unattractive” but most of all FEMALES was there for all to see- celebrated in his books and especially little Britain. But he still got regular work, more contracts, airtime. WHY?! There was obviously public appetite for him and the companies just think of the bottom line at the end of the day. I’m not blaming the public btw, the fact that the above transgressions are being repeatedly posted as if they’ve just been discovered tells us most people didn’t know about it. I don’t really know what my point is but I suppose it’s that people are generally just exposed to what the production companies want to sell. I do have a slight ick about the general public how they are essentially told what is entertaining and they just consume it. Ant and Dec being a case in point. Anyone who knows me on here knows I can’t stand Ant and have to contain my rants but why on earth do people watch things like that? The same formulaic dross presented by people who would probably spit on you given half a chance.
 
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It’s internalized misogyny. In the past women were conditioned to be subservient to men, and though this attitude is changing it’s still very prevalent in Boomers and older Gen X.
I'm GenX and I understand what you mean. Few of my peers chose Physics at school. I did & STEM degree & pursued a career in a male dominated world so I wouldn't consider myself subservient or lacking a belief that I'm at least equal to them. I've had city boys stare at my chest & had to stare at their balls to back them the duck off. Shouldn't be that way & yes it's better now but superficially. Some men just resent women.

Recently I was fairly called out on this site & I needed to own it & reflect. I had made a judgemental comment in a personal anecdote about a buxom school contempary many years ago for being exploited by older boys. I was not not seeing a bigger picture. Partly it was me being spiteful as her actions had humiliated me as she & my crush mocked me. But yeah comments matter and people are influenced by unhelpful baggage.

As an adult I've stood up to men exploiting women whether it was a M senior partner sexually harassing a young 40s F mother returner to work or my peers perving over the potential admin hires. I was astonished and appalled by a female colleague of my age simping that men was so clever & capable in a meeting. It's always about power and whether women can be silenced or squashed.

The women who stood up to Brand are incredibly courageous and there are women enablers (TV execs, assistants & entourage & others) who are due a reckoning.
 
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