Tim Westwood, trial early next year.
The BBC is a literal pon factory!
Aled Jones had that weird episode where he was completely cancelled for a few weeks with not much said about why, and then reinstated a few weeks later again with not much said.
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The BBC is a literal pon factory!
Aled Jones had that weird episode where he was completely cancelled for a few weeks with not much said about why, and then reinstated a few weeks later again with not much said.
That’s the crux of it for me. They are never in the wrong, they will always go into damage limitation and admit only what they think people will let slide. If he was very candid about what he knew and why he did nothing, even if it makes him look like a pos, I would be less suspicious of his own actions in these matters.
James Corden had a big spat with Patrick Stewart....just saying....
I dunno man pretty vague, could be anyone
Is this for real???!!! What the actual!!!????? I'd be fuming if this was my son on stage...disgustingIt gets worse young boys being SA on stage whilst the audience roar with laughter
I think I'm falling in love with Judge Nicklin.Clever legal advice: protection of a person's right to privacy/personal life v revelation of that private information in the public interest, coupled with duty of care with regard to the preservation of the life of a private citizen. It's an argument - like any legal submission. The facts are assessed and a balance is found.
Justice Nicklin ruled, sagely, that Walliams was in hospital, so welfare was covered as far as possible, and thus, duty of care was met. Nicklin also stated, in essence, if someone is going to harm themselves they will and not every eventuality can be considered. Like any legal benchmark, the law can respond oniy when something has happened not when it might happen. (Credible threat not withstanding, like acting on information someone is planning a terror attack, or a big drug deal). He also ruled in the public interest. Until that decision was made, Walliam's privacy was protected.
Well, sort of
But yes, putting together such a submission is very, very expensive.
First Prince Hazno's demands for money kicked into the sea, and now this. He takes no mit.
He's my new hero.
Tbf I watched the full 20 minute interview and it's clear Lucy's main reason for doing the interview is to highlight how ultimately unregulated the TV industry is for inappropriate behaviour like this, when it's not a police matter. As she said a couple of times: "There is no HR in TV".
And I think that's a very valid point. You're relying on individual production companies, studios, or promoters/agencies but it usually isn't the same as a traditional company. Most of the time as a runner or intern, you're dealing with production companies ran by higher-ups who have known and worked together for years - while you're the unimportant new kid who's got very little job security.
I did study and work in media for a spell before switching careers, mainly because it is SO hard to get on the career ladder (without industry connections, money and/or incredible looks) and the management at the production company job I did get made me miserable.
The intern was getting weekly mentorship meetings over coffee with our production boss, who kept giving them more responsibilities, their own projects, etc - meanwhile I'd get one monthly 'catch up' call scheduled which our head of production (effectively my line manager) cancelled 3+ months in a row because other people or projects took priority. Guess which one of us got their contract extended?
It is so demoralising to be in a situation where you literally can't complain about even any minor grievances or unfair treatment like that, because who are you going to tell if the higher ups are part of the problem?
Nobody wants to kill their golden goose, and runners/production assistants/interns are a dime a dozen.
Another one pretending he was gay to lull women into a false sense of security, I expect.
The concept of “knowing “ can be a bit of a mixed bag.
Yes there are those like Walliams and Brand that hide in plain sight, but even then many people will simply think that it’s an ott joke and that no one would be that bold.
Then then the are men that just give people the ick, look at the many names across the Walliams/Brand/Gossip threads, no evidence, just that a sizeable number of people have a “feeling”, we know many people easily would believe they are predators .
The thing is that also means there are many famous men out there that absolutely do not give the ick, they are the total opposite, good looking seemingly nice guys and these are popular men, so the fear of being disbelieved reporting these men is much higher than the icky ones, the backlash and disbelief is also higher.
Imagine being the lesser looking sidekick of one of these popular guys, who will believe you unless you have solid evidence, how do you actually get solid evidence, even the women assaulted struggle to get people to believe them.
What if they are wrong? They tank their lives because they think the guy is a wrong un’, but they have no evidence?
The best they can do is cut ties and warn women to stay away- which seemingly happens, you make a few pointed jokes- again this happens, but as we have seen, it doesn’t change much.
Many of us might even work with a guy that we have a feeling about, heard jokes about , been warned about, but we can’t report them because we don’t have evidence, then the guy gets caught and we say we always knew, of course we then get challenged on why we didn’t speak up!
Sadly many of us will already know a rapist, without knowing he is a rapist.
Perhaps even very closely.
Someone we like or love.
If he gets caught, people may ask how we didn’t know!
Because these sick guys put a lot of time and effort into not getting caught.
Anyway that’s my cheerful thought for the start of the day
Yes there are those like Walliams and Brand that hide in plain sight, but even then many people will simply think that it’s an ott joke and that no one would be that bold.
Then then the are men that just give people the ick, look at the many names across the Walliams/Brand/Gossip threads, no evidence, just that a sizeable number of people have a “feeling”, we know many people easily would believe they are predators .
The thing is that also means there are many famous men out there that absolutely do not give the ick, they are the total opposite, good looking seemingly nice guys and these are popular men, so the fear of being disbelieved reporting these men is much higher than the icky ones, the backlash and disbelief is also higher.
Imagine being the lesser looking sidekick of one of these popular guys, who will believe you unless you have solid evidence, how do you actually get solid evidence, even the women assaulted struggle to get people to believe them.
What if they are wrong? They tank their lives because they think the guy is a wrong un’, but they have no evidence?
The best they can do is cut ties and warn women to stay away- which seemingly happens, you make a few pointed jokes- again this happens, but as we have seen, it doesn’t change much.
Many of us might even work with a guy that we have a feeling about, heard jokes about , been warned about, but we can’t report them because we don’t have evidence, then the guy gets caught and we say we always knew, of course we then get challenged on why we didn’t speak up!
Sadly many of us will already know a rapist, without knowing he is a rapist.
Perhaps even very closely.
Someone we like or love.
If he gets caught, people may ask how we didn’t know!
Because these sick guys put a lot of time and effort into not getting caught.
Anyway that’s my cheerful thought for the start of the day
I should probably learn to hide long winded rants behind a crop or something.
More coffee required!
More coffee required!
Your last two paragraphs are very true. I worked at one studio in the late '90s where a fellow researcher told me that "something happened" with a male producer. She really was scrabbling to get into the industry, short-term contracts etc.Tbf I watched the full 20 minute interview and it's clear Lucy's main reason for doing the interview is to highlight how ultimately unregulated the TV industry is for inappropriate behaviour like this, when it's not a police matter. As she said a couple of times: "There is no HR in TV".
And I think that's a very valid point. You're relying on individual production companies, studios, or promoters/agencies but it usually isn't the same as a traditional company. Most of the time as a runner or intern, you're dealing with production companies ran by higher-ups who have known and worked together for years - while you're the unimportant new kid who's got very little job security.
I did study and work in media for a spell before switching careers, mainly because it is SO hard to get on the career ladder (without industry connections, money and/or incredible looks) and the management at the production company job I did get made me miserable.
The intern was getting weekly mentorship meetings over coffee with our production boss, who kept giving them more responsibilities, their own projects, etc - meanwhile I'd get one monthly 'catch up' call scheduled which our head of production (effectively my line manager) cancelled 3+ months in a row because other people or projects took priority. Guess which one of us got their contract extended?
It is so demoralising to be in a situation where you literally can't complain about even any minor grievances or unfair treatment like that, because who are you going to tell if the higher ups are part of the problem?
Nobody wants to kill their golden goose, and runners/production assistants/interns are a dime a dozen.
I mentioned this to another researcher, who was friends with a (very pretty) girl who'd just come in as an intern. Her face dropped. You can guess the test. She (intern) didn't stay long, I think this was voluntary on her part.
There must have been rumours because the very top boss addressed a town hall meeting saying he simply would not tolerate any sexual harassment, which was ahead of the times, really.
The producer in question went onto be a TV presenter for a short while and seems to have scrubbed himself from the internet. wick.
Agreed. They’re just stock photos. If they’re not, the first one could bloody well be Harry hill with that collar silhouette
Child stars are closely chaperoned. But there are no rules to protect young employees or interns or audience members. As someone said (and I can’t recall who) on one of these threads, top of the pops used to send free tickets to their all girls school. They didn’t send them to the her brother’s all boys school.
Thank you for sharing. Omg that was way worse than I expected. I don’t know anything about him, I just know I always found him repulsive and never looked into him any further.
I can’t believe people sat and watched the whole thing and then some of them reviewed it and commented as though it was just a regular show.
It must have been traumatic for the girl regardless of what she said afterwards
I was seeing somebody who worked for a decent sized production company a couple years ago and the stories they told me were incredible.
“Talent” just indulged. Keeping them happy the only thing that matters. Profits over people. And because it’s a “glamorous” industry that people want to work in they accept more than they would in a different workplace. Plus the “that’s just the way it is” acceptance of it normalises it.
Crazy.
“Talent” just indulged. Keeping them happy the only thing that matters. Profits over people. And because it’s a “glamorous” industry that people want to work in they accept more than they would in a different workplace. Plus the “that’s just the way it is” acceptance of it normalises it.
Crazy.
Oi, Oi, Oi! Let's leave my beloved Kryten out of this. Once and for all! I mean it!
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Yeah it’s the Little Britain Tour , why were children even allowed in when that type of content is clearly for over 18’s ?
That wasn’t always the case look at the old Hollywood elite, there’s footage of a very young Shirley Temple being kissed on the knees of various high profile directors/ producers & celebs, I guess we are all blind to it in a way….Another example a 14 yr old child and the most legendary singer in the world
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So what happens now? Does he go into exile like Phillip Schofield and Scott Mills or is a trial brought against him?