That Graham poster was in the Brand thread too, constantly derailing it, definitely a man who enjoys rage baiting women and make excuses for sexual predators. I think he stopped commenting when everyone just ignored him. He’s not even worth debating!
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This thread is moving too quickly for me to keep up but Alan Carr has liked posts about Lucy B whistleblowing.
Sure, okay...but I think we're also talking the difference between legal and moral. What's legal isn't always moral and what's moral isn't always legal. The age gap plus celebrity means a lot of these vulnerable girls and young women could be easily coerced, cajoled, have their normal common sense overrun with the glitz and glamor and seeing a face they thought was a friend they knew from tv.
So while it doesn't automatically mean someone was abused or manipulated, it means that it's likely higher that something really crappy has happened and they invite the court of public opinion upon their actions as they are public figures. No one is a saint, but it's not wrong to suspect someone who looks like a pon of being a pon (or pon adjacent) or at the very least an unsavory character who should be looked upon with derision because they played outside of the bounds of what they should have done.
BIB - |I was hoping this, too - that they could dub him.
Yeah, I actually agree with quite a bit of what you've said. I absolutely accept that there's a difference between what's legal and what's morally right, and that power imbalances, particularly when someone is famous or in a position of influence, can make situations quite uncomfortable.
I've actually experienced something similar myself. I was 19 and at uni, doing work experience on a well known TV show. Two men on the show, who were considerably older than me, asked me to have a threesome with them. Entirely legal, obviously, but I felt really uncomfortable and never went back.
So I do understand that just because something is legal doesn't necessarily make it appropriate or mean the younger person is comfortable with it.
I suppose I just think every situation deserves to be looked at individually. I'm not defending anyone or dismissing anyone else's experiences. I just don't think every age gap relationship automatically means grooming or exploitation
" I suppose I just think every situation deserves to be looked at individually. I'm not defending anyone or dismissing anyone else's experiences. I just don't think every age gap relationship automatically means grooming or exploitation "
We're not talking about normal relationships though are we, we're talking about ones where there is a significant age gap AND a massive power imbalance. Whatever type of power - physical, financial, celebrity etc
We're not talking about normal relationships though are we, we're talking about ones where there is a significant age gap AND a massive power imbalance. Whatever type of power - physical, financial, celebrity etc
But there have been mentions in regards to the law being changed to prevent these age gaps which is what I’m referring to.
People want to say oh it’s legal because it was 16 y/o girls he was pursuing for. But all it shows is if the age of consent was lower he would have gone lower. The only ones who should be pursuing teenagers is other teenagers.
exactly this. people hide behind the legality as if the man himself isn’t well aware of this and manipulating the situation.
Could not agree more. I was 18 when I was groomed by a 37 year old, told me he was 25, took me on holidays, sent me flowers and perfume to my part time job, love bombed me into oblivion, then the abuse started. He was a married man with 3 kids I didn't know about and the cherry on top, his eldest daughter was only 2 years younger than me. It took 10 years of abuse and a marriage of coercion before I finally escaped.
We need laws that protect young people from these monsters.
Yeah my little boy does too! Hopefully they can get someone else to re-record it, I don’t know the logistics of that but hope so!Aw no way we must've just caught it before it went. Gutted about that, my daughter loves it and he was only a very minor part
I think pretty much every woman on this thread has been in a situation where a man behaved in a way that she was absolutely NOT fine with but she didn't say anything for fear of offending / embarrassing him or others in the room / straight up fear / worry about being called a prude.
I honestly think a lot of men get away with bad behaviour because they KNOW we've been socialised not to say anything, ESPECIALLY in professional/social situations where speaking up would make US look like a prude / the villain.
This is part of what I would describe as a broad enabling culture and it requires a cultural pushback.
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I believe that Evangelical Christianity wouldn't have developed as it has done were it not for the disastrous mistranslation of 'logos' in John 1:1. Logos does NOT mean 'word' in this context.
Hard agree to all of this. Basically that entire media set - Knight, Osman, Hughes and their assorted spouses, colleagues and friends - are all mid level talent, snakes, toxic af and can't deal with having their behaviour questioned at all because they're so convinced their good people.Let's not forget Sali Hughes was in his BBC doc talking about tattle life and calling it extreme cyber harassment
It's crazy how much BBC money has been spent smearing tattle because honest opinions and screenshots is a threat to their "talent".
Sali Hughes has a history of being a right witch herself - far worse than some of the worst posters on tattle. Joked with India Knight about sending round her convicted child sex offender (Cat A) and convicted of assaulting a teenager husband Eric Joyce to tattlers homes. Bulled the old Guardian columnist out of her job with her twitter chums to get her the gig. Bullied Dawn O'Porter and Esther Walker in the "good old days" of twitter, but wiped this years later before totally flouncing from twitter after she defended to the hilt "poor Huw Edwards" who she claimed was a good man and an innocent victim of a smear campaign.
Tattle is pretty light on Sali Hughes considering all she's done. Awful woman. She posted during the media frenzy that Christopher Jefferies clearly had the face of a killer and often mocked Katie Price and Kylie for botox. But when she has similar comments at her she calls it harassment and totally unacceptable. Rules for thee, but not for me.
If someone's got an active tattle thread and they're very vocal about how much they hate tattle there is probably a very good reason.
If Sali Hughes doesn't want people talking about her marriage and sex life then she shouldn't write columns talking of giving her husband a maintenance bag. But she has the power of the BBC and Guardian behind her to blame tattle for her digital footprint.
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Sali Hughe's husband Dan Maier is a long time collaborator with Harry Hill and a chief writer for over a decade on his show. Marina Hyde and Richard Osman have praised him on their podcast, and their latest podcast is going down like a bag of cold sick with gaslighting subscribers about Russell Brand. Richard Osman previously defended Sali Hughes as a lovely person when she's attacked tattle. Richard Osman was a chief exec at the company that made Russell Brand famous but now claims Brand wasn't really part of the entertainment industry and wasn't on any big shows.
These people are all so connected. And so untrustworthy.
Their views on Tattlers - 'sad little hausfraus' with 'faces like sides of beef' etc are so snobby, class coded and basically unwittingly summarise what they think about the general public in general (ie, the people who pay their mortgages').
They may as well call us all stupid knuckle-dragging gammon and say that with their chest.
I love Tattle cos I love watching these people get tripped up on their own sanctimony.
Apologies, I meant heat as in stories being written about him x
Someone needs to call the Guv'nor at Wandsworth and tell him to cut off the wifi in the basement
Who are all these people? Do you need to put initials?
RJ, DB, SF, RB - Russell Brand, ML - Matt Lucas, LF??
The mods asked us not to use initials as it does get confusing.
I didn’t see that post but I’m just putting the initials they’ve posted to ask who the people are they’re referring to.