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How come out of interests?

There’s two famous Brian Coxes, two famous Michelle Williams, two famous Chris Evanses etc. Find it a bit odd that Equity can’t accept that two people may just have the same names. It happens.
It's been a thing for many decades when you had two great men Harry Corbett and Harry H Corbett entertaining the nation.
 
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I think all women have been sexually assaulted at some point in their lives. I remember having my bottom pinched standing in a queue at McDonalds once, another time when I was working in a well known clothing chain we had someone who’d come in regularly and assault the mostly female staff by squeezing our bottoms. It was seen as funny but I remember feeling violated. This was the late 90’s/early 00’s. Around the same time I had a much older man approach me in a pub who wouldn’t take no for an answer and tried to carry me away from my friends, it was terrifying but thankfully I did manage to shake him off. I’d have been about 16/17 at the time.

Why was this stuff normalised? Women are told we should be careful when out walking and running in broad daylight even now. When is something going to be done about men? I know they’re not all bad, but as the saying goes it’s not all men but always men
When was anything normalised? I have worked with many hundreds of male & female employees since 1988. It is not commonplace for an adult to grab someone's bottom.

Everyone ought be careful when alone in public, aside from sexual crimes. I have a daughter age 19 and she works at McDonald's & Tesco until very late. I'm Equally worried that anyone could assault her.

Do you really believe 30 million women have been sexually assaulted? One victim is too many - but education at a very early age is the only way things will change.
 
It may not be a 'crime' but it still feels immoral IMO - a 16 year old is still very much developing, emotionally, socially, morally AND neurologically. They're more likely to have limited knowledge of relationships and social skills, and be more easily manipulated. They won't have the experience to recognise unhealthy behaviour and abusive treatment, and someone older, eg: in their 30s, will have MUCH more experience in developing relationship skills, they will be much more independent and will likely have resources the 16 year old will not have access too, giving a HUGE power imbalance to the relationship.
I agree with this, but I think it's an issue that needs to be solved with moral and psychological education, not the law.

We have a weird problem in this society where we look to the law to solve all our problems, but actually a lot of issues are moral ones. Laws won't make much difference as to whether manipulation and abuse happens. Educating our youth will.
 
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It may not be a 'crime' but it still feels immoral IMO - a 16 year old is still very much developing, emotionally, socially, morally AND neurologically. They're more likely to have limited knowledge of relationships and social skills, and be more easily manipulated. They won't have the experience to recognise unhealthy behaviour and abusive treatment, and someone older, eg: in their 30s, will have MUCH more experience in developing relationship skills, they will be much more independent and will likely have resources the 16 year old will not have access too, giving a HUGE power imbalance to the relationship.
I hear what you are saying - you and others need to contact your MP.

Morals are all well and good, however some people use their morals to disagree with same sex or mixed race relationships, which is why we have laws & not moral police.
 
How come out of interests?

There’s two famous Brian Coxes, two famous Michelle Williams, two famous Chris Evanses etc. Find it a bit odd that Equity can’t accept that two people may just have the same names. It happens.
It's not about Equity *accepting* people with different names, it's about Equity being the official Union for professional actors. It's not compulsory to join Equity - and you can work as an actor without being a member. However, as a member of the Union, you have a right to reserve your own unique professional name, and someone who joins the Union subsequently is not allowed to use the same name as an existing member.
Brian Cox the actor is, I'm sure, a member of Equity: Brian Cox, the scientist and TV presenter is very unlikely to be. I'd also be surprised if either Chris Evans were members: the American one will be in SAG and the British one is a DJ and Presenter, and would not feel it necessary.
There was already a David Williams, so once Walliams joined Equity, he would have been required to have a different professional name. He could have chosen pretty much whatever he liked. (David Tennant's real name is David McDonald for example, because he found himself in the same situation.)
 
The age of consent being 16 is fine so long as 16 year olds are sleeping with other 16 year olds. The problem arrises when older pervs take advantage.
I think Walliams was also in a position to ‘groom’ there is a legal different IIRC.

He was offering advice to get into the industry to at least one victim, using that as a lever to get close to her.
 
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I agree with this, but I think it's an issue that needs to be solved with moral and psychological education, not the law.

We have a weird problem in this society where we look to the law to solve all our problems, but actually a lot of issues are moral ones. Laws won't make much difference as to whether manipulation and abuse happens. Educating our youth will.
Laws are the cornerstone of our society. Imagine a much older adult buys a 21 year old a new car, pays for a luxury holiday & treats them to restaurant meals. With the intention of having sex with them.

Is this older man/woman grooming this young man/woman?
 
The age of consent being 16 is fine so long as 16 year olds are sleeping with other 16 year olds. The problem arrises when older pervs take advantage.
So what is the maximum age difference at age 16, is it 5, 10 or 15 years??

Also when the teenager turns 18, do you raise the maximum?
 
When was anything normalised? I have worked with many hundreds of male & female employees since 1988. It is not commonplace for an adult to grab someone's bottom.

Everyone ought be careful when alone in public, aside from sexual crimes. I have a daughter age 19 and she works at McDonald's & Tesco until very late. I'm Equally worried that anyone could assault her.

Do you really believe 30 million women have been sexually assaulted? One victim is too many - but education at a very early age is the only way things will change.
With respect (not that you deserve it), you are a man and you have a male privilege and so you will never understand it, and yes getting your bottom pinched was seen as normal and something you had to put up with.

Please don’t dismiss my experiences or that of other women because it makes you feel uncomfortable
 
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Laws are the cornerstone of our society. Imagine a much older adult buys a 21 year old a new car, pays for a luxury holiday & treats them to restaurant meals. With the intention of having sex with them.

Is this older man/woman grooming this young man/woman?
Of course that's grooming if the older person wants sex. Man.
 
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How come out of interests?

There’s two famous Brian Coxes, two famous Michelle Williams, two famous Chris Evanses etc. Find it a bit odd that Equity can’t accept that two people may just have the same names. It happens.
I haven't researched further, but I presume it's down to joining Equity as an actor in the UK. Not sure if scientist Brian Cox or DJ Chris Evans would register with them, let alone anyone from the US. I'm sure someone with better industry connections can clarify, but that's my understanding of why Walliams had to change his name.
 
Most of the women in my circle recall ‘incidents’ that were just par for the course back in the day.

Also feeling nervous at night on public transport or walking home at night.

I’m glad we have different times now where it ai clear what is acceptable and what isn’t. Also that we have a voice.

Imagine at 15 being pursued by your idol? And without the life experience to know what’s a crossed line.
 
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When was anything normalised? I have worked with many hundreds of male & female employees since 1988. It is not commonplace for an adult to grab someone's bottom.

Everyone ought be careful when alone in public, aside from sexual crimes. I have a daughter age 19 and she works at McDonald's & Tesco until very late. I'm Equally worried that anyone could assault her.

Do you really believe 30 million women have been sexually assaulted? One victim is too many - but education at a very early age is the only way things will change.
You would be suprised the number of times i had my a slapped by random guys in a nightclub. So I would expect its happened to most women
 
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I mean this is the man who has a wife 10 years younger than him, don’t care how long they’ve been together, and I don’t care if 16 is ‘legal’ he met his wife when she was 16 and he was 26. It’s disgusting. I had a man reply to a comment I made about this on FB and he just said ‘So?’ Like it’s disturbing the amount of mean thinking it’s okay to date a 16 year old in your 20’s/30’s.
As I said in another post contact your MP with your concerns.

The law protects everyone - some people are attracted to younger/older people. Personally I was a very shy person, when I was 32 a co-worker age 20 asked me out on a date - I was friends with her, but I have never asked a female to go on a date.

We dated a short while all very innocent. Later that year I met a lady age 38, again she asked ne to go for drinks.

.You may think that the maturity levels were vastly different (she had a son age 20) but there was little difference between them emotionally.
 
You would be suprised the number of times i had my a slapped by random guys in a nightclub. So I would expect its happened to most women
I can only imagine, I have witnessed male/female co-workers cheating on their partner in public..Which is something that I could never do, but I have never witnessed a sexual assault myself...

There was a married guy who loved to enthusiasticly hug female co-workers, but these married women were fine with it & never pulled away.
 
This photo is chilling. From the Guardian article, this young girl was taken to a quiz night. Look at all the adults in the room, and how YOUNG that poor girl is.
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Sorry I am 18 pages behind, but that photo is so troubling. What I find most shocking is that in any normal, non celebrity group of friends, if a man in his 30s rocks up with a teenager, somebody would be taking him to one side and having a word. But nobody ever did.
 
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With respect (not that you deserve it), you are a man and you have a male privilege and so you will never understand it, and yes getting your bottom pinched was seen as normal and something you had to put up with.

Please don’t dismiss my experiences or that of other women because it makes you feel uncomfortable
Not dismissing anything, I am in no way uncomfortable.

Sexual assault is very common & has been since forever, but thankfully not normalised in any way.. .

I'm not looking for respect from Internet strangers or yourself.