David Walliams #2

[AlwightDallin]

This is what google says

I didn’t get that far but the book is sooo problematic. The main kid wants to wear dresses, he’s into fashion, but he doesn’t want to be teased. Fairly sweet and quite inclusive. But then.. the local shopkeeper reveals he’s a cross dresser and asks the kid to keep it a secret from his wife. Iffy. And would you know it the headteacher at the kids school is ALSO a cross dresser and the kid blackmails him and threatens to revel his ‘secret’.

So we have a young boy (11-12) keeping two adult secrets. He also takes his dad’s porn magazine and he also goes into the girls toilets and describes how he is in heaven doing so.

It’s aimed at 8-12 year olds. Thank goodness I read a bit first, skipped ahead and agreed it was unsuitable. The story should be ‘wear what you want, accept who you are’ etc. But it has this inappropriate seediness to it which is hard to describe. My daughter is a huge reader and moved on to far better books but I was shocked that some schools had Walliams on their curriculum!

 

[Shawads]

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I loathe this attitude from men: as long as she’s 16 there’s no case to answer, all legal, no problem.

Spot the wannabe p*edo more like (I’ve blanked out the fucker’s Twitter handle).

He does not look young enough to be out with a 16 year old girl who is not a relative of his, but then again neither did Noel fielding when he was ‘just good friends’ with the 16 year old geldof child.

 

[veronica71]

Lucy Beaumont is on Sky now talking about a young girl telling her she had been groomed by Walliams, she tried to help her but the girl had been too afraid due to an NDA she signed. She seems to have been well aware of his reputation so I don't believe anyone who claims they had no idea. Seems it was an open secret.

this was such a brave thing for Lucy to do - she says she’ll never work on tv again now for speaking out.

 

[Shawads]

I didn’t get that far but the book is sooo problematic. The main kid wants to wear dresses, he’s into fashion, but he doesn’t want to be teased. Fairly sweet and quite inclusive. But then.. the local shopkeeper reveals he’s a cross dresser and asks the kid to keep it a secret from his wife. Iffy. And would you know it the headteacher at the kids school is ALSO a cross dresser and the kid blackmails him and threatens to revel his ‘secret’.

So we have a young boy (11-12) keeping two adult secrets. He also takes his dad’s porn magazine and he also goes into the girls toilets and describes how he is in heaven doing so.

It’s aimed at 8-12 year olds. Thank goodness I read a bit first, skipped ahead and agreed it was unsuitable. The story should be ‘wear what you want, accept who you are’ etc. But it has this inappropriate seediness to it which is hard to describe. My daughter is a huge reader and moved on to far better books but I was shocked that some schools had Walliams on their curriculum!

The film is very different to this, unless I missed a whole bunch of a subtext, maybe they completely sanitised and played it down for TV?
I’d also always assumed that Walliams books were ghostwritten but I still enjoyed throwing them away anyway and I love books.

 

[Zoe88]

Watching the ITN documentary. The victims are so young and there’s such a power imbalance.

I said this when the Schofe story broke that 17 is such a grey age. Not an adult yet sex is lawful. It’s a loophole that predators abuse!

I don't understand why you're considered an adult so young, there needs to be another term for it between teenage and 25 year olds. As lots of scientists have said that your brain isn't fully formed until then. You're still so young and not aware of how manipulative and seedy some people, your best intentions are not thought of and can easily be used. You want to feel special and wanted at that age and predators know that!

 

[Shawads]

very very good friends, he even met his mam! blimey....

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‘Low people in high places’ ?

 

[Shawads]

I don't understand why you're considered an adult so young, there needs to be another term for it between teenage and 25 year olds. As lots of scientists have said that your brain isn't fully formed until then. You're still so young and not aware of how manipulative and seedy some people, your best intentions are not thought of and can easily be used. You want to feel special and wanted at that age and predators know that!

Also, much like Walliams, Philip Schofield’s contact with that particular young man started waaaay earlier than 17, he was very much a child , even if it didn’t start as sexual I don’t doubt for a minute that Philip had nefarious motives

 

[suechu]

I often think of Stephen Fry like the creepy Uncle Monty character in withnail and I.
I can imagine him rhapsodising and trying to intellectualise unhealthy interest in underage boys as ‘it was good enough for the Ancient Greeks so it’s good enough for me’ kind of thing.
Obviously that’s just my imagination and not an accusation

I make no judgements but SF and his husband Elliott Spencer make a very strange-looking couple. Quite fond of old Stephen really in a 'national treasure' kind of way. And loved the only two films I've seen him in, Peter's Friends, even though it's packed full of lovies, and he was very good in Wilde.

 

[Shawads]

I make no judgements but SF and his husband Elliott Spencer make a very strange-looking couple. Quite fond of old Stephen really in a 'national treasure' kind of way. And loved the only two films I've seen him in, Peter's Friends, even though it's packed full of lovies, and he was very good in Wilde.

They certainly do. I made no judgment until this particular relationship. I guess I am a bit judgy. I was very young and vulnerable and looked far younger than I was, I was targeted by older men all the time and my relationship experiences were always very warped.
Even as an older person now I feel sad that I didn’t get to experience ’normal’ teenage and young person sex and first love or healthy relationships.
I know a man my age (middle aged) who is always with teenage boys or very early twenties men who often seem vulnerable to me. Nobody bats an eyelid and I’m sure it’s because he’s also a posho, everyone who knows him seems to be completely enthralled by him, he just grosses me out

 

[Anna Wintour]

I make no judgements but SF and his husband Elliott Spencer make a very strange-looking couple. Quite fond of old Stephen really in a 'national treasure' kind of way. And loved the only two films I've seen him in, Peter's Friends, even though it's packed full of lovies, and he was very good in Wilde.

He fetishises the old man, young man trope. He thinks it makes him Oscar Wilde.

 

[suechu]

They certainly do. I made no judgment until this particular relationship. I guess I am a bit judgy. I was very young and vulnerable and looked far younger than I was, I was targeted by older men all the time and my relationship experiences were always very warped.
Even as an older person now I feel sad that I didn’t get to experience ’normal’ teenage and young person sex and first love or healthy relationships.
I know a man my age (middle aged) who is always with teenage boys or very early twenties men who often seem vulnerable to me. Nobody bats an eyelid and I’m sure it’s because he’s also a posho, everyone who knows him seems to be completely enthralled by him, he just grosses me out

BiB. The older I get the more I trust my gut instinct with people. If someone grosses me out it's usually with good reason, whatever other people see.

 

[maytoseptember]

I don't understand why you're considered an adult so young, there needs to be another term for it between teenage and 25 year olds.

Agree. The idea of a 16-17 year old being able to “legally” have a sexual relationship with an adult man of any age is abhorrent. Likewise the idea that an 18 year old is a full adult.

Thought this quote from the Guardian article was gross but very telling.

“Teenage women”.

No one says that. But yet clearly trying to illustrate that 18 year olds are full grown adults, nothing to see here m’lud.

Depressing, isn’t it?

 

[Tabitha D]

There are a few that I think could be goers: multiple cases of documented grooming with an explicit sexual element (reminder: grooming laws protect children AND adults) and the girl who alleges she sent him naked photos via email when she was under 18. I feel for the 15 year old who was sexually violated at his home, because I don't think there would be enough evidence there to prosecute for that one.

What strikes me about the 15-year-old’s account is that she asked him to stop and he did - BUT it seems clear that if she hadn’t, he’d have been quite happy to continue. So what’s the betting there are other young teens out there with similar experiences of him? It’s highly unlikely that she’d have been the only one under 16. Especially when, apparently, his taste for very young girls was sufficiently well known for his celeb mates to joke about it publicly.

 

[AlwightDallin]

The film is very different to this, unless I missed a whole bunch of a subtext, maybe they completely sanitised and played it down for TV?
I’d also always assumed that Walliams books were ghostwritten but I still enjoyed throwing them away anyway and I love books.

Yes, the film removed the shopkeeper bit because even then it was seen as wildly problematic. The film isn’t as bad as the book, says a lot when the screenwriter adapts out a fairly major part of the story because it’s icky.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

I did feel sorry for Matt Lucas gor a while. Having pretty much all your work wiped from streaming etc then I thought he must have known what he was like? He should have been more vocal re the tours and "hide the sausage ' and told him he didn't think it was appropriate. So I'm feeling less sympathetic to him now

 

[Prince fan 1999]

I'm wondering if this was the reason they fell out ages ago?

Then there was talk maybe last year about doing another Little Britain. Then nothing was mentioned again.

 

[Ilovemusic]

Scenario: Brand and Walliams sharing a cell having a debate on which one of them is the most "misunderstood".

 

[Shawads]

Yes, the film removed the shopkeeper bit because even then it was seen as wildly problematic. The film isn’t as bad as the book, says a lot when the screenwriter adapts out a fairly major part of the story because it’s icky.

Urgh. We used to love gangster granny, I’m just glad it’s all coming out now