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uberoblique

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Someone who works for me grew up in one of the cults mentioned. She is one of the most resilient young women I’ve ever met. Leaving is a huge deal, she’s essentially cut herself off from a large, warm and close (if cult-loving) family permanently.

I try not to pry but occasionally she comes out with the most wild stuff, usually due to having zero popular culture exposure growing up.
 
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Foxvint

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Some groups try and wiggle out of the cult label by saying they're not a cult cos they're not secretive about what they do but the key is - are they a totalist organisation? So for example, the labour or green parties are a broad church, you can just be a member and put your cross in the box at election time or you can be very involved at local level, leafleting, door knocking, involved in community initiatives, standing for election, the full shebang. But you're both members of the party and it doesn't have to leak over into other aspects of your life. It doesn't dictate how to be in a relationship, how to educate your kids or what characteristics to cultivate in your life. It doesn't tell you what to think beyond expecting you to generally agree with the aims of the party but there's a great deal of leeway within that too. You can be further to the left or right of it. You can try and push for more progressive policies or urge caution and a more central stance. You can disagree with those in leadership roles.

None of that is possible in a cult. It is a totalist organisation that will demand or forbid behaviours. It is absolutist. There's no personal interpretation allowed. There's no questioning of leadership. And where there isn't a named leader/s, the organisation itself will be in that role.

Something I've found helpful in distinguishing between cult and crackpot but harmless fringe groups.
 
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Ineedmorecoffee

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@pumbilical cord i don’t think it’s an American thing, Ive heard shunning stories from uk ex JWs. Like I said a few posts back, I think there’s a spectrum of belief. As an example one of my relatives congregation knocked at my door. When I answer i always say ‘ oh, you’ll know X and X, they’re relatives of mine’ . Then we’ll usually have a bit of a chat, sometimes about how we mutually respect each others beliefs and that’s the end of it. However this one guy implied that my relatives weren’t acting as true JW by not actively encouraging us to attend. I told one of my relatives about this, she rolled her eyes and said ‘Oh, him! Ignore him, he thinks he’s something special!’ 😆
 
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MooBelle

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The JW parents I know have not cut out their children for leaving? I’m not criticising what you say, just saying what I know from my own family members.
From my understanding it depends if they've dedicated themselves to the church or not.
They have a ceremony a bit like a confirmation or first communion as young adults. If they grow up JW and don't 'confirm' they can leave and not be shunned. If they confirm and then leave at a later date then they are shunned.
Tbh all my JW comes from a girl who had kids in the same class as one of mine. She was JW but the kids refused to participate and she was fine with it.
The Amish do a similar thing. I watched a documentary about growing up Amish and their kids are encouraged to leave the faith for at least a year before they come back and get married. They go wild, especially the boys. In the film they just all got drunk a lot and drove fast cars.
If they didn't want to come back that was fine. They weren't shunned and other Amish who had left helped them to get jobs and they still visited family. If they came back and then left at a later date then they are cut off and not allowed back to visit.
 
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houseofhoop

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Is it worth watching the Amazon one? I’m currently watching the Netflix one and horrified esp that it’s still very active and Jeff 😡

Their response:

It is so revealing to watch how they manipulate their followers over time. As it got towards the end I was half expecting Jeff to reveal that the sperm donor would need to be just him and the women would all need to sleep with him. Thank god that didn’t happen.
The whole thing with the genders and transitioning was horrific
 
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Bingewatcher92

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Escaping polygamy on prime is a good one.
The following on Disney + is based on ‘the family’ Australian cult.
I’ve watched so many over the years it’s hard to remember and read tonnes of books on various cults. It’s fascinating but equally shocking.
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What's the deal with that 70s show?
Look into Danny Masterson and his trial - he’s a Scientologist.
 
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sassmaster3000

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Has anyone watched “under the banner of heaven”? It’s a drama based on a true story about some fundamentalist LDS members who murdered their relative because they didn’t think she was as submissive as she should have been.

It has Daisy Edgar-Jones in it. It’s a great drama but utterly harrowing and so frustrating to see how people genuinely believe this shit.

The guys who did it have never even shown remorse and at least one them is still alive and in prison, going on about how the murder was “necessary”.
I’m not religious and personally don’t believe in an afterlife - but I’d like to think there’s some entity we meet when we die that tells all these culty freaks how fucked up they are for thinking their actions and beliefs would get them a first pass to meeting whichever god they believe in.
 
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theGC

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I always watch a podcast on YouTube called Cults To Consciousness. She’s ex Mormon and interviews loads of people who escaped/left cults and high demand religions. She has some really good people on there!
 
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HarryPotHead

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I feel like if you were a 20 something and started doing bible study in the UK and your family and friends weren’t religious, they’d be like OH NO
Aye but if they called it "guided self improvement" or "meditation class" people would be like 🤷🏻‍♀️ let's us know how it goes for you.
 
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Five hundred dogs

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I've seen posts vaguely on here about the Plymouth brethren, are they a religion or a cult or in between? Interested to know more about them if anyone knows anything (more fun to read people's opinions than to google)
Very week tea this. I have a now retired family member who used to be a midwife and delivered a few Plymouth Brethren babies. She told me the women were all very polite and made really good cakes.
 
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AmeliaPevensie

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We have one of the biggest Plymouth Brethren meeting places very, very close to us. We often see them all coming out on the weekends and it does look slightly like an updated version of the Amish. Fancy cars to wear your headcovering in, rather than carriages. We used to occasionally meet one in the wild when we were teens (same age as us) and they would talk/play with us even though it's not really allowed I don't think. We found them fascinating, but also really, really odd. And so naive. I can see why fraternising with the outsiders is discouraged because we were so much more worldly wise!
 
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Zulkraa

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I think the relationship with her is really odd. She just parrots what he says most of the time. I just can’t work out what’s going on there, it seems like a bit of controlling and coercion but I’m surprised he didn’t start checking the energy of other women in the group by putting his dick in them, just to be sure. He seems the type.
Maybe I’m way off the mark here, but I felt like she was his beard.
 
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50sGirl

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Maybe I’m way off the mark here, but I felt like she was his beard.
That might explain why they went down the IVF route when they said it wasn't for fertility reasons. I didn’t understand their explanations tbh. He didn’t give me gay vibes though.
Also do you think she was actually pregnant the first time because again I didn’t understand their reason for terminating the pregnancy?
The way he spoke to the women if they spoke over him or interrupted. 😮
Scary man. Complete nutter.
 
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houseofhoop

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Oh - then I'm sorry. I hadn't realise it was cult-related for you (sorry - I didn't recognise your username as linked to the "I got out", even tough I had been admiring of your acheivement)

To me it is a reminder that one day the whole world will live in peace. Perhaps what that cult meant, too, but I'm sure it was a different concept of peace.

Apologies if it is upsetting. I will delete if I can.
Please do not apologise! Free speak here… I love to chat with people of all walks of life, no judgment ♥
 
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