Coronavirus Disease Outbreak COVID-19 #104

[Notgonnalie]

Had my first argument at the school gate today covid related of course.

I was standing waiting on my daughter (age 4) to get out of school. She has a mild cold. The other parents were talking about how their children had the cold too and how the teacher said most of them have it. I said something along the lines of how my child has it too but it’s not bothering her she’s got a bit of a runny nose and coughing a bit when it’s bed time - (it’s not an all day cough - not continuous etc.)

One of them piped in “and did her test come back negative” I said what test? They said the covid one how was she getting it. I said she didn’t get it I’m not gonna test her when she doesn’t have symptoms. A mild cough at night time isn’t a symptom - she has a cold. She said you ought to get her tested. I said no I’m not she’s fine and the teachers have no concerns either. If she had a continuous cough I’d get her tested but it’s not continuous it’s just a mild cough in the evening when she’s trying to get over to sleep. When my daughter came out the parent said to her oh I think mummy’s going to take you to the doctor you’re very sick. My daughter said I’m not sick I’m happy. I blew up. How dare anyone tell my child I’m taking them to the doctor what in the name of fuck.

Is this normal!!?!? Why should I put my four year old through an unnecessary test because she coughs a bit at bed time. She’s absolutely fine. I asked the teachers if they were ok with her being in with the cold and they said of course, they’re kids they spread all sorts to each other it’s part of life. They said they’re only concerned if they’ve a high temperature, continuous cough and other covid symptoms . Sorry this probably isn’t really relevant to the thread I just feel so annoyed

 

[jackolantern]

Has everyone just forgotten there are indeed illnesses other than COVID? There are over 200 *viruses* alone that can cause disease in humans. If you've got a negative test, you are just sick with something else. Crazy I know.

 

[EmilyChambers]

Time for a new thread me thinks

- Respect other people’s decisions and views,

- Disagreeing respectfully,

- Report if necessary

- Ignore users if necessary.

All other covid threads;
https://tattle.life/tags/coronavirus/

Can we also clear up that people not vaccinated are not anti vaxxers too please?!

I know people can't stand to hear it because it interferes with their feelings of superiority and being at the top of a 2 tier society but they really need to accept peoples choices and medical reasoning without insisting that Susan from Windows4You call centre knows better.

 

[ordinaryjelly]

Just to update you. Common sense has prevailed. This unvaccinated person is being allowed to change hospitals. No idea what caused then to change their minds - think they finally realised that their bullying and threats were not going to work with me and i was going to hold firm regardless. (That or the fact Talk Radio were ready to expose them)

Power to the people

 

[Notgonnalie]

I know a couple who take there 4 kids to every theme park, restaurant, play park ect going and then post pics of the 4 kids cuddling their great grandad. The poor guy looks so poorly as it is and I can't help but worry everytime they post a picture with him.

Maybe the grandad is ok with it. My kids great grandad is in his 80s, he’s told us as long as we are happy he would like to see the kids as often as he can as he would rather enjoy the quality of his life with them beside him and doing “normal” things. He suffered badly in lockdowns with no in person visits and now he tells us he would rather enjoy a hug and make special memories together than to go back to window visits. We wouldn’t visit if we were symptomatic (even pre covid) but we don’t test before visiting either. Everybodies wishes are different though that’s why I wouldn’t judge anyone whether they wanted to be extra cautious or not.

 

[SarahGard83]

Negative result

 

[Trixiebum]

So you’d just have the damn vaccine wouldn’t you? Her logic is insane. But that’s anti vaxxers for you

its completely her choice. As a healthcare worker I do not think we should discriminate. Everyone makes choices that aren’t always ‘good’ for their health - people smoke, drink, eat the wrong food, take risks when crossing the road, etc. From a healthcare perspective why would you not give her a transplant that if not given she will die?! They have basically sentenced this woman to death.

And to clarify, I am not anti-vax. I’ve had 2 vaccines and have my booster booked. I am pro-choice. My body, my choice.

 

[jackolantern]

The roll out to teens in England us useless and seems my age group pay the price

England's slow vaccine rollout for children 'risks new Covid spike'

Just 10 per cent of 12- to 15-year-olds have received first jab almost a month after receiving the go-ahead

www.telegraph.co.uk

Oh come on this is just getting ridiculous now. Can you still not see how well ingrained the blame narrative is? First it was millenials at fault, then it was the pregnant women now it's the kids. You are literally blaming children for you being at risk for a virus. Kids get sick, adults get sick, viruses spread, that's life and it's a shambles how this pandemic has made people think they can wave the finger. Your age group isn't 'paying the price' for anything.

Honestly, what is it you would like? Covid won't ever go away, people need to accept that. Hell most of the population are double vaxxed and people still aren't satisfied. Do we have to just all be locked up forever? Look how bad the cold that is going around is - we are fully suffering for our decision to imprison our population already.

The fact we live in a world where kids are being (experimentally) vaccinated for something they are at little to no risk of, to 'protect' (very limited actual proof) adults is fucking sick. But that those same adults would then point the finger? Jesus take the wheel.

 

[Onetwofour]

About the whole topic about transplantation and covid vaccine. I got a kidney transplantation a few years ago - one of my relatives was my donor so maybe my insight might help you to understand the complexity of the topic.

- Bad covid cases that require hospital care can lead to kidney faillure and a fair share of covid patients in ICU need dialysis. A transplanted kidney is even more sensitive to this kind of problem.

- When you are getting a kidney, you need to pass a big amount of tests. You will be asked to stop smoking/drinking and change your diet. If you have any health problems you will need to be treated prior any transplantation. You will also have a psychiatric assesment - and if you have a living donor, they will also have a big amount of tests to be sure they are healthy. They will also have a psychiatric assesment.

- You will be also requested to get vaccinated. After the transplantation you will be immunocompromised for the rest of your life. Immunosuppressant drugs are the only way to prevent the body to reject the transplant. Any vaccine you'll receive after will be less effective while at the same time - being immunocompromised you are more at risk from any disease. At the time of the transplantation you will receive extra strong doses of immunosuppressants. Those will be reduced after a while. Took me 18 months to be on a very low dose. So the months after the transplantation, transplanted patients are at an even higher risk of catching something that will have a nasty outcome (not great in the time of a pandemic). Plus in the event of the rejection of a transplant you will again receive ultra strong doses of immunosuppressants. Transplanted people also receive every year flu shots because they have much higher chances to develop a bad outcome than someome not immunocompromised. In the case of covid, transplanted patients are much higher riks to need hospital care. I have heard quite bad stories from transplanted non-vaccinated people with kidney faillure and so.

- By the way immunosuppressants can make you more at risk of developping a cancer and create other health issues. That's a fact. But giving a longer life expectancy and a better quality of life trump for most of people the possible side-effects. I have every year a few check-ups to be sure everything is fine. If someone is against the covid vaccine well to me it doesn't make sense to be then ok to get immunosuppressants as there are more chances of bad outcomes from those than the vaccine.

- If you are getting a transplant from a dead donor, you might pass 4-5 years on a waiting list. Sadly there are more people who need a kidney than kidneys donors. So every year some people die because they couldn't get transplanted. To be put on a waiting list you need to meet all the requirements I described. Your age, your health but also your aptitude to take care of yourself are criterias. Those criterias are chosen on a ethical basis. Not everybody can be transplanted so the priority is given to the people that are the most suitable candidates to a successful transplantation that will last.

- In the case of a living donor, there is a commission that checks there is no money involved between the donor and the receiver. The surgery is no joke and even though risks are low, they are still present. To perform this surgery on a healthy person that won't benefit from it is contrary to the hypocrate sermon. But you can save a life and free a spot on the waiting list that will benefit another receiver. Those benefits are taken into account but it is then requested to the receiver to meet the susmentionned criterias to ensure that this surgery is worth the costs to the donors. It can look unfair but from the doctors' point of view, they take a big responsability by opening up someone perfectly healthy so they have to make sure they are doing that for a good reason.

- At the end of the whole process to be eligible for a transplantation, an ethic committe will review your case to either assess if you can be put on a waiting list or receive a transplant from a living donor.

- Since I have been transplanted I cannot eat raw meat, raw cheese, raw eggs, vegetables not washed with vinegar. I need to protect my skin from the sun as being under immunosuppressants my chances of getting a skin cancer.

All those conditions - and the process (it took me 10 months to complete it) can look harsh but they are the fruits of intense ethical debates. They are important because black organ markets are strong around the world. It is amazing people can be saved because of transplantation. But the whole system can be so easily perverted and it needs to highly controlled to limit the abuse and as a receiver there will be more expectations towards you than any other surgery that doesn't involved other potential receivers or an other healthy human being (as a living donor). You can be of course against and those rules are not in stone. But there is a logic behind it and it doesn't seem to be the worse option when you sss what's happening when there are not regulations.

Being transplanted is not just a surgery. It's a change of lifestyle. I am young and without this transplantation my life would be completely different (or I would already be gone). I consider this transplantation as a gift and I take great care of my health and my transplant because I want to enjoy as much as I can from this second opportunity to have a good and fulfilled life.

 

[mcfeez]

VICKS
I have some in my nightstand right now put it on the soles of your feet and you’ll be grand by morning

failing all that have you got any of the holy water left from Lourdes

*** the vicks needs to be the same jar bought anywhere between 1 and 8 years ago and you can't even read the label anymore

 

[Web30]

Does anyone think any good has/will come from this pandemic (besides more people "waking up" or whatever)?

I like the fact that most shops have hand sanitiser available on entry and I'd like this to be part of the 'new normal'.

Personally i like that our school has kept the pe kits to be worn on pe day "rule" makes life easier

 

[EmilyChambers]

Pleased entry to his show didn't ask for vaccines , but why did he ask the crowd the vaccine question?
(And did the crowd suddenly part like the red sea, Vax and non Vax on opposite sides )


I know of 3 people who had symptoms (taste/smell) and did the lfT and they showed positive instantly. One of them did 4 lft and it was positive

He basically assumed everyone had been vaccinated and asked for a show of hands. For those that hadn't had it, he then did a section of pretty much insulting them. Called them stupid, called them anti vaxxers, the worst kind of people, dregs of the human race etc. To me it felt a bit nasty after about 10 mins because he asked one woman near the front if she was vaccinated and she said no, then he started on her, called her a stupid fucking mental head case which was ironic given his last tour, he did a big thing at the end about being kind to people and how depression and suicide are big killers and that just because you don't agree with someone or something, it doesn't matter as we are all free to make our choices.

He then said if had been up to him, he wouldn't have sold tickets to anyone who hadn't been vaccinated. He also said, he didnt question anything and did what he was told because normal, sane people do as they are told and that the Government wouldn't issue vaccines if they would cause any injury or death

 

[Oohthedrama]

Can we also clear up that people not vaccinated are not anti vaxxers too please?!

I know people can't stand to hear it because it interferes with their feelings of superiority and being at the top of a 2 tier society but they really need to accept peoples choices and medical reasoning without insisting that Susan from Windows4You call centre knows better.

oh I have no time for anti vax,

I also have no time for covid vaccine “fans” who refuse to accept what the concerns around the covid vaccine is…

people need to make choices that are right for them.

 

[Sea]

Sick of this divide, sick of this not being about the virus, Covid passports mean nothing.
I thought the Pandemic and lockdowns were a surreal horror story and eventually we'd go back to normal, but not it feels like we are in a dystopian universe.

 

[Unspiralled]

And apps to order in bars and more table service

I have a friend who would argue that this is actually the worst thing to come out of the last two years because he kept on ordering pints at the wrong pub

 

[SarahGard83]

Went clubbing last night for the first time since covid. Had a belting night and rolled in at 4am. I'm actually dead today though.

 

[jackolantern]

Have a vaccine to protect your health because there is SUCH A HIGH CHANCE (2% global average not accounting for uncounted cases, old age and comorbidities) you will die if you don't!

But if you don't, we won't allow you to have a transplant so you will 100% die.

That's just how much we care about your health. But remember, we want you to have the vaccine for you!

 

[jackolantern]

He basically assumed everyone had been vaccinated and asked for a show of hands. For those that hadn't had it, he then did a section of pretty much insulting them. Called them stupid, called them anti vaxxers, the worst kind of people, dregs of the human race etc. To me it felt a bit nasty after about 10 mins because he asked one woman near the front if she was vaccinated and she said no, then he started on her, called her a stupid fucking mental head case which was ironic given his last tour, he did a big thing at the end about being kind to people and how depression and suicide are big killers and that just because you don't agree with someone or something, it doesn't matter as we are all free to make our choices.

He then said if had been up to him, he wouldn't have sold tickets to anyone who hadn't been vaccinated. He also said, he didnt question anything and did what he was told because normal, sane people do as they are told and that the Government wouldn't issue vaccines if they would cause any injury or death

I'm sure the unvaccinated attendees too wish that tickets hadn't been sold to them rather than pay to be subjected to that disgusting level of abuse. I fucking hate what this world has become.

Publicly humiliating people for making choices about their own health and bodies. I think you need to look in the mirror mate to find who really is the worst kind of person.

 

[Tublet83]

#SchoolStrike2021 is trending on Twitter. Many tweeting that a lot schools have big outbreaks, yet teachers are still having to carry on teaching and they don’t feel schools are doing enough to keep kids safe.

This is a really tough one as children’s education has been disrupted a lot in the past 2 years.

Tbh I hadn’t heard of this until you posted, it was a strike today where people kept their children at home because they didn’t think it was safe?

Personally I think for the sake of children and their future things need to carry on being back to normal, everyone vulnerable has been vaccinated and we need to get on with life.

If people want to keep their children at home, that’s their decision and none of my business but I want my children in school, learning, socialising and passing childhood germs back and forth like they should be doing.

 

[Prefrontalmedialcortex]

This is one of the worst things to come out of the last two years.

The best thing was Matt Hancock’s secret affair. What a twat.