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wafflesnwings

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I'm new to the thread - and have read everyone's posts with deep interest because I relate so much to what's been said. I'm sorry for the long post; it opened up a lot for me. I come from a culture where you're expected to be married and have children by a certain age (usually young) and if you don't, then it's presumed that there's 'something wrong' with you, which is very hurtful because I've had that line thrown at me a lot - when there's nothing wrong with me - as well as people asking whether or not I'm a lesbian. Someone posted a situation where they were asked this by work colleagues and sadly I experienced the same. I took them an employment tribunal and thankfully got a good compensation: even if I were a lesbian, my sexuality isn't anyone's business. I am in my 30s and pretty much considered to be 'on the shelf' in comparison to my cousins, friends etc. because I'm unmarried and have no children. I don't get as much stick from my family - an argument about it a while ago gave me such a bad panic attack that they seem to finally understand - but I know so many of my cousins who regret getting married and having children when they did. They just won't say it because they're afraid to be judged by others and are scared to stand up for themselves.

I've always loved children. There isn't a thing I wouldn't do for my nieces and nephews, but when it comes to having children of my own, it's a big no. I have a lot of reasons for it, lots of you have mentioned them, as well as an illness I have which has a huge impact on my daily life and mental health, which will probably get worse as I age. I know I wouldn't be able to give a baby the attention, the love, the good life/education, the fun memories of a mother who is fully present and able to keep up, that it deserves. I've seen too many unwanted, neglected and unloved children: I don't want to add to that because it is soul-destroying to harm and cause damage to a child who didn't ask to be born. I grew up feeling ignored and invisible, so that also plays a role behind that thought. I feel like becoming a parent is a huge responsibility that not enough people think through and just do because it's expected of them. I've seen some very careless parents who should have never had children, and far too many stable couples who can't conceive or who lost their babies.

EDIT: to the person asking why this thread exists, I can't speak for everyone here but only myself. I don't come across many people who think or feel the way I do with regards to having children. I'm from a background where your sanity is questioned and you are often isolated if you are a woman who does not want to have children, as well as becoming the base of cruel remarks, because so much of the thinking around women being expected to have children comes from a combination of religious beliefs, superstition and traditional attitudes (which do get used and abused). You are seen as a 'failure' or a malignant person for choosing to be child-free (the attitudes around infertility are nowhere near as shocking or cruel).
It makes for a very lonely, limbo-like and unhappy space to be in - I personally am relieved the thread exists and where people can talk about their experiences without being silenced, shamed or guilt-tripped for the choices they make and the reasons they have for not having children
 
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Blond3g1rl

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Those Mother’s Day posts doing the rounds, thinking of those who have lost children, can’t have children, don’t want children. Eh?! You don’t need to think of me on Mother’s Day as I have chosen not to have children
 
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katyazamo

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Small rant but I know childfree people will understand. Been working at my current job for the last couple of years. My boss became pregnant so off she went on mat leave for a year, came back late last year, working 3 days a week which will go up to 4 days when the kid is in nursery.

It's a shambles. Taking Mondays off is strongly discouraged because "Jane doesn't work Mondays and we can't have too many people off" but she chose not to work Mondays (or Thursdays), which happens to be our busiest day of the week. Say it's Wednesday and you need her to sign something off but can't get hold of her because she's stuck in meetings. Then she's off on Thursday! Back on Friday, again stuck in meetings with emails piling up and then... she's off until Tuesday!

Everyone else in the team works 5 days a week, her job is ultimately a 5 day a week role too as she's senior but it just does not work as 3 days per week. Except you can't ever say that. It causes so many bottlenecks with things dragging on or not being signed off because she's simply not around enough. And of course the endless family emergencies, leaving early or starting late due to her kid, and so on... and it's the people without kids who end up picking up the slack.
 
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Saddlesoap

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It's 8.34am and I'm sat in my living room with a cup of coffee and toast. Sun shining through the window. No noise except a digger somewhere on the estate. Dog snuggled up next to me. No where to be except a dog walk and work at 4pm.
Remind me again why I'm happy childfree?






On a more serious note, can't be more grateful considering the increased cost of living ATM.
 
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milkywaymelon

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I don’t get why people would have a ‘child free’ thread. You don’t have kids, you don’t maybe like or want them so why do you feel the need to discuss it with others? I don’t like cats, And don’t plan on ever having any but I wouldn’t join an online forum to discuss why I don’t want any every day? 😂🤷🏽‍♀️ No hate, just a bit curious about why the need for this forum. The same with the child free Reddit forum.
If the thread is of no interest to you then move on to one that does interest you. This is like me coming onto a thread about kniting and asking why it's here. 🙄
 
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milkywaymelon

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This may be an unpopular opinion but I don't see how having a child makes your life better.

All I see from my friends and my sister's experiences is that they are a serious drain on your money and time. You can no longer put yourself and your needs first in your own life. Like I would be depressed coming home from work to deal with children and taxi them around to various activities and birthday parties. It sparks no joy in me. It sparks dread. I don't understand why people do it.
 
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Blond3g1rl

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I was just sitting in the car eating some chips and a family walked past with a lad who then decided to scream at the pigeons, frightening them and shouting - we don't like you! Ffs leave them alone!? There not hurting anyone! The parents didn't say a word even though he looked old enough to know better. Ugh. Why do they never say anything to them? I really hate kids, and their parents.
I judge parents who let their kids run feral. I judge them even more if they are pricks to animals.
 
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prozacprincess

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When I was working on cruise ships I met a few older ladies who lived on the ships. It was actually cheaper than a retirement home in the USA and they got to see the world and be looked after constantly. One lady I spoke said she loved it because each week or so new people got onboard and she’d make a whole new set of friends to hang out with. The crew loved them like they were family.

That is my plan for old age sorted … I’ll be selling up and sailing away 🛳
 
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CheshireLove

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A truly depressing thead on Mumsnet today. I feel very sorry for the poster, she seems to be in a difficult place. Lots of "you just need a break" and "do you have neighbours or family" comments.

A reason why I don't want children - I could easily see this being me. I'd rather have a few regrets of not having had children (although I don't think this will be the case!) than regret having them and missing a life without children.


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Snowjoke

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I don’t get why people would have a ‘child free’ thread. You don’t have kids, you don’t maybe like or want them so why do you feel the need to discuss it with others? I don’t like cats, And don’t plan on ever having any but I wouldn’t join an online forum to discuss why I don’t want any every day? 😂🤷🏽‍♀️ No hate, just a bit curious about why the need for this forum. The same with the child free Reddit forum.
You could say the same for the various toddler/child threads… why would they want to discuss it with others every day either? Doubt you’d ask them that though 🤣
 
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JoeBloggs

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Really? What posts have made you miss the child free life?
All I see on here is a whole lot of denial
Denial?! Really. Most of the posts are about us being grateful for our disposable income, clean and tidy houses and sleep. If I wanted a baby I could have one, but spoiler, I don't want one. I prefer my Mulberry handbags, nice holidays and Sunday lie ins!
 
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Ellyjelly

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I have two friends who both never wanted children, from the time I met them, one at 16 one at 24, never changed their minds, never regretted it. Whikst I don’t regret having mine if I could have my time again with the knowledge I now have I wouldn’t have any. I love them yes, 100% but the worry is horrible, they are really decent young adults, but the stuff going on in the world just means I never really stop worrying about them. Plus their are many MANY times when being a parent is fucking crap. Seriously such hard work. O body likes to admit it as they think it means they don’t live their kids but that’s bullshit. Id die for mine, but if I had to do another bloody school run,or parent evening, I’d want to stick my head in an oven. I salute you all for sticking to your guns, long may you have sleep, money, tidy homes and stick two fingers up at those you judge you.
 
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Fizzwhizz2020

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I’ve decided to be child free only recently. Tried for a few years with nothing happening and decided that I didn’t want to have to worry about it any more and I honestly find it so liberating having made that decision. I like that I can spend my money as I please and do what I like with my free time. I enjoy the fact that I can hop on a plane (and do) and go to adult only hotels where I can drink cocktails by the pool. Unselfishly I don’t feel right about bringing a child into this world the way it’s going now. Pandemics, rising cost of living, threat of war etc etc. I’d just worry about the state of the world I’d leave any child I might have in. It’s hard enough now to be able to be stable, buy a home etc.. what would it be like in 30 years.
sorry about the waffling. I think people wonder what’s wrong with me, and I get the who will look after you etc etc, but realistically, I’ll have no one other than my partner to consider when I’m old or infirm so can quite happily spend my money and get myself a one way ticket to Switzerland 😂 or even retire somewhere really warm and tropical
 
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mrsbucket

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Why are child free people always asked to explain their choices? Nobody is asking why there is a pregnancy thread or a toddler thread. Go figure 🥴
 
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judgejohndeed

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twitter has been on fire with the childfree stuff lately 🤣👏🏻

there are some great replies to this one, including one that made me actually cackle in work but it’s super rude so i’ll let you guys find it 🤣

This is nauseating! I was saying to my partner today it baffles me how a lot of people seem to think when they have a kid they also pick up a license to be unbearably obnoxious and entitled. I don't care if you're a parent and had zero sleep, you queue like everyone else! If you need your caffeine that badly that you can't wait your turn then have instant coffee at home for all I care. Some people really seem to think having kids is an act of public service, I'm sure some parents I know would love everyone to clap for them like they're NHS workers or something
 
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reCAPTCHA

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Just dropping in to say that I have 3 kids, and genuinely lurk on this thread to read snippets of your dreamy child-free lives 😆

I mean, I adore my cherubs, obviously I do- they’re brilliant, clever, funny, kind, interesting little humans, but fuck me I am also cognisant of what life might be like without them. I do sometimes think what life might have been like without them; don’t we all?! Any parent who tells you they haven’t is a big billy bullshitter IMO.

As you were people 👏👏
 
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judgejohndeed

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This kind of thing makes me so mad tbh. People who just blindly have children because it’s ‘what you do’ forget there are actual human children at the end of this, if they’re not told explicitly they’re not wanted then they’ll pick up on it some other way. We’re called the selfish ones but I can’t think of something more selfish than having a baby you don’t want because you didn’t think about it, and letting that poor child grow up knowing you didn’t really want them and have to deal with that their whole life. Its weird how people who have kids think they’re superior just by virtue of doing so but making the baby isn’t the hard part (speaking very generally here), it’s raising a child that looks like the most difficult thing ever and I personally would never ever want to be responsible for inflicting that kind of emotional pain on a child.
 
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xxAprilxx

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This goes along the narrative of that somehow being a parent makes your a superhuman and belittles those without kids (for whatever reason). I hate the phrases, never known love like it, my life was complete when you were born etc. I feel a lot of people use these phases to mask the hell that is their reality.

A lot of people can just have a child, there is nothing special or magical about it, it is science.
A colleague of mine recently announced her pregnancy on Instagram and a comment from one of her friends was "your life has finally begun" :rolleyes:
 
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AlanBanan

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Has anyone ever gotten the feeling of resentment from people who are parents because you can buy stuff for yourself or even go out without thinking twice?
 
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