I voted remain and dread the financial implications it will have for my family. I also worry about access to medicines etc.
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The markets will be all over the place for the first few months of Brexit, along with exchange rates.
The covid vaccine might offer some reassurance to the world markets, but will probably be cancelled out by massive Brexit uncertainty. And since the UK will have already buried itself with around £300bn to prop up an already weak and debt-ridden economy, it goes without saying that prices will inevitably rise, especially if inflation and interest rates start to rise and imports become more expensive.
The covid vaccine might offer some reassurance to the world markets, but will probably be cancelled out by massive Brexit uncertainty. And since the UK will have already buried itself with around £300bn to prop up an already weak and debt-ridden economy, it goes without saying that prices will inevitably rise, especially if inflation and interest rates start to rise and imports become more expensive.
i think those who are screaming for sovereignty are probably comfortable enough to know the fallout won’t effect them
Are you saying remaining in the EU would lead to more price increases than ...Brexit?
Did I say that? Don’t think I did.
at what point did I weigh up the financial impact of remain vrs leave?
long term or short term?
I simple asked with less than a month to go, are the families, farmers and business owners who are worried about making ends meat now, more worried than those who know it won’t impact them anyway,
because they’re comfortable enough to weather whatever storm comes.
You said "the people who voted remain who still feel it was the right choice, are you in a financial bracket that means increases that may come in as a result won’t effect you?"
Why would voting remain, and still feeling it was the right choice remotely suggest you are in a financial bracket that means price increases wouldn't effect you? I don't really get that link, surely still feeling it was choice suggests the opposite, or if it doesn't impact people personally at least that they care about the negative impact.
I think what was being asked was whether remainers would be financially affected by something that they didn't vote for.
It depends on the hike. I can't imagine it's just the price of food that will be affected. I'm certainly not wealthy enough to say it won't sting a little bit!
Ah that makes senseOops ive just seen what I didI meant who voted leave
. I thought you were asking whether we as remain would be financially affected by something we did not vote for.I've seen news reports recently stating that food will become more expensive as obviously different tariffs will be slapped on different items. The standard response from many seems to be "well we can buy British". Do they not understand that we don't currently produce enough food to feed ourselves? We produce about 55% of the food consumed in the UK, and we import 26% from the EU. Do they really think we are going to rapidly increase our supply chain in the next three weeks to plug the deficit?
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Cameron put the referendum in the Conservative manifesto because he thought that they wouldn't get a majority, and then oh tit, they did. He then assumed that people would be sensible and vote to stay, forgetting that half his party and newspapers that support him had been implying that the EU was the most evil organisation on earth, so then it was (with the benefit of hindsight) inevitable.
The problem is that now we have got ourselves in a mess. Johnson has tried a) threats, b) smears, c) tried to annoy them enough that the EU will walk away.
a) Threats don't work - i.e. sending in the 'gunboats' as we only have 4 patrol boats to guard the coast from Land's End to John O'Groats, and do you think Biden will allow that the happen? Also, the french have been helping us out with the russians going down the coast.
b) Smearing Macron and Merkel, neither could give a toss about what Johnson and the British think of them, if anything it helps them electorally.
c) Johnson knows he has to get something, and the EU know it. He thinks he can play chicken with the EU, but he's a space hopper and they have a euro-juggernaut. They can keep going as long as they want.
I bet the EU offers another transition period, and if they do, Johnson is in the tit. He can't walk away as he knows he would be held personally responsible for the chaos following, the ERG will demand a no-deal and may do a vote of no-confidence in him, and he wants to have a great triumph and be remembered as a great Prime Minister.
Johnson really is an utter curd.
The problem is that now we have got ourselves in a mess. Johnson has tried a) threats, b) smears, c) tried to annoy them enough that the EU will walk away.
a) Threats don't work - i.e. sending in the 'gunboats' as we only have 4 patrol boats to guard the coast from Land's End to John O'Groats, and do you think Biden will allow that the happen? Also, the french have been helping us out with the russians going down the coast.
b) Smearing Macron and Merkel, neither could give a toss about what Johnson and the British think of them, if anything it helps them electorally.
c) Johnson knows he has to get something, and the EU know it. He thinks he can play chicken with the EU, but he's a space hopper and they have a euro-juggernaut. They can keep going as long as they want.
I bet the EU offers another transition period, and if they do, Johnson is in the tit. He can't walk away as he knows he would be held personally responsible for the chaos following, the ERG will demand a no-deal and may do a vote of no-confidence in him, and he wants to have a great triumph and be remembered as a great Prime Minister.
Johnson really is an utter curd.
When the results of the referendum were announced I cried. As far as I am concerned people that voted to leave stole a part of my identity and robbed me and any children I might have of the right to live and work in Europe freely.
The UK is now a small fish on the world stage and I wouldn't be surprised if the Union broke.
The only reason we had a referendum was because of Tory infighting and David Cameron wasn't expecting to actually win the election, he thought he would end up in another coalition and the vote would be scrapped. My mother says he should be prosecuted for Treason.
The UK is now a small fish on the world stage and I wouldn't be surprised if the Union broke.
The only reason we had a referendum was because of Tory infighting and David Cameron wasn't expecting to actually win the election, he thought he would end up in another coalition and the vote would be scrapped. My mother says he should be prosecuted for Treason.
I’m a Brexiteer (as stated before) but I’m not in a financial bracket that makes me immune from changes. Whatever the storm is, we’ll weather it.
Thread is getting a little toxic for me so I’ll be off and leave it at that.
Thread is getting a little toxic for me so I’ll be off and leave it at that.
I'm sorry you think its getting toxic! I'm really interested to hear your standpoint on Brexit and your reasoning on voting Leave. Like I said, I'm not the most political person and would just like to see a different (and positive) point of view. Obviously, just ignore this message if you don't feel up to it.
I'm sorry you feel like that, but to me whenever I try to talk to a brexiteer they won;t debate it. It seems many just can't or won;t debate it.
What’s toxic about it? I think everyone is just sharing their reasons for how they voted and their opinions. You’re free to do the same.
I voted to leave but regret it
Same. At the time, it was heartbreaking symbolically. I could have eventually lived with that if there were massive benefits. But those aren’t forthcoming so now it’s terrifying in practical terms too.
Thank you for being honest. I voted remain. I am not angry at people who voted leave. I am angry at people like Johnson, Farage and Gove and the newspapers who spread the lies about how we were to be far better out.
Although, some of the newspapers have started frantically back peddling!
THank you, but the EU is a club. It is controlled by the countries whom are members, and in order to have free-trade etc. you have to have a common set of goals and standards. That's why Johnson isn't making progress.
Well said. One tiny pleasure I take from all of this is the thought of the absolute contempt the EU27 leaders must now hold him in. His schtick just does not translate outside of England. They see him for the lightweight he is.