That’s very sweet of you to say, thank you. And I’m glad you know what I mean. It’s like, sure she might be weird and annoying, but as long as she’s not harming anyone, she should be free to be her weird annoying self.It makes a lot of sense and doesn’t sound hypocritical, people are complex and disliking someone doesn’t mean we wish harm on them- I think it’s good to have that honesty, to acknowledge contradicting feelings.
He’s been absolutely cleaning up the manic pixie dream girls (ie: very vulnerable younger women) based on his formula. Sorry Neil but modern women see through you.I feel like this thread has Unleashed the Neil hate in me tonight.
Someone mentioned about his Doctor Who episode.
He likes to portray himself as a lefty feminist bloke who says things like " I like stories about women who save themselves" , yet he can not write a female character who feels like a genuine women.
A lot of his adult female characters come across as either manic pixie dream girls, potential girlfriend or mean bitches.
Yes, aside from Coin Operated Boy, none of her output appeals to me whatsoever.Her Patreon is like a little cult, but thinking about other Patreons that produce nothing ‘Jack Monroe’ - she does churn out a lot of blogs, songs, Q&As, Patreon meet ups and performances and she does giveaways etc and people seem happy to support her. I like the Dresden dolls stuff, I can leave the ukulele. She is talented while also being a narcissist and unbearable showoff. I’m glad she now has real eyebrows.
I also think she is doing her best for Ash.
Absolutely, I do find Palmer annoying but Gaiman to me feels worse because it seems so dishonest. When they split there was a bit of web drama as Gaiman had publicly added a book about living with narcissists to his Goodreads page. He claimed he was hacked, in a sort of amused way, but I’m not totally convinced. It had that typical snideness that comes in when he talks about her.Yes, aside from Coin Operated Boy, none of her output appeals to me whatsoever.
BUT, I’m so aware of the way motherhood clips women’s wings and Neil, a supposed progressive lefty, has stood back like a Victorian father and allowed AP’s career to nose-dive, while literally leaving the country that his infant son lives in, eschewing all responsibility in favour of his career.
Failed at first hurdle mate.
He does come across as an absolute horror, but people hero worship him, because he's a male authorAbsolutely, I do find Palmer annoying but Gaiman to me feels worse because it seems so dishonest. When they split there was a bit of web drama as Gaiman had publicly added a book about living with narcissists to his Goodreads page. He claimed he was hacked, in a sort of amused way, but I’m not totally convinced. It had that typical snideness that comes in when he talks about her.
He was also pretty underhand with Graham Linehan who he was previously friends with. Yes they disagree on trans politics, but Gaiman posted up something on Twitter implying he was ‘concerned’ for Linehan’s mental health. It was really passive- aggressive and patronising, and obviously designed to cause a pile on while giving himself the kudos for being a ‘caring’ person.
This just seems so weird to me. If you hate someone’s politics say so, cleanly. If you care about them contact them privately. This just seems false and motivated by ego. I think a lot of his actions are motivated by a desire to control and boost his image.
The Linehan post was quite interesting, not so much for the subject in this instance but because it shows something of Gaiman’s private communication style. It doesn’t look much fun trying to discuss anything with him.He does come across as an absolute horror, but people hero worship him, because he's a male author
Linehan's debating style is like a dog with a bone, but I respect it because it's not sneaky and passive-aggressive like Gaiman's. Gaiman is proclaiming statements that he knows will please his fans, and not engaging with the actual *meaning* of them - because their only meaning to him is monetising those likes and "being on the right side of history" - which is both vain and impossible to assert. "It'll look good in my obituary" is not a moral standpoint.The Linehan post was quite interesting, not so much for the subject in this instance but because it shows something of Gaiman’s private communication style. It doesn’t look much fun trying to discuss anything with him.
Might be of interest to you folks for that reason- it does discuss trans stuff so if it’s likely to upset you on either side just be aware. (Ie. Linehan believes that you can’t change sex).
Gaiman’s whole schtick (and that demographic of Sensitive Right-On Rich Bloke (TM) kinda reminds me of this:
And that fake (public) “concern” for someone’s mental health is part of DARVO. A well known method employed by cult leaders to discredit and defame someone.Absolutely, I do find Palmer annoying but Gaiman to me feels worse because it seems so dishonest. When they split there was a bit of web drama as Gaiman had publicly added a book about living with narcissists to his Goodreads page. He claimed he was hacked, in a sort of amused way, but I’m not totally convinced. It had that typical snideness that comes in when he talks about her.
And all this is stuff that narcissists tend to do, setting up little tricks to control the narrative and playing dumb about it.
He was also pretty underhand with Graham Linehan who he was previously friends with. Yes they disagree on trans politics, but Gaiman posted up something on Twitter implying he was ‘concerned’ for Linehan’s mental health. It was really passive- aggressive and patronising, and obviously designed to cause a pile on while giving himself the kudos for being a ‘caring’ person.
This just seems so weird to me. If you hate someone’s politics say so, cleanly. If you care about them contact them privately. This just seems false and motivated by ego. I think a lot of his actions are motivated by a desire to control and boost his image.
She gave him a bit of a vicarious rock start lifestyle but as soon as her image soured he seems to have got bored, or found that she isn’t useful to him any more.
Totally agree- I think even if you disagree you can engage in good faith if you can discuss. As you say I don’t think Gaiman is really helping his case much as he isn’t presenting anything constructive, it seems very performative and hollow, and largely aimed to benefit him.Linehan's debating style is like a dog with a bone, but I respect it because it's not sneaky and passive-aggressive like Gaiman's. Gaiman is proclaiming statements that he knows will please his fans, and not engaging with the actual *meaning* of them - because their only meaning to him is monetising those likes and "being on the right side of history" - which is both vain and impossible to assert. "It'll look good in my obituary" is not a moral standpoint.
I don't want to get into the trans stuff either, because there's a forum for that, and anyway you posted a Lush video, so <3
The fake concern thing is interesting, seemed odd but I didn’t realise it was a classic sign!And that fake (public) “concern” for someone’s mental health is part of DARVO. A well known method employed by cult leaders to discredit and defame someone.
He is text book narc so it’s ironic that he played that Good Reads trick.
I reckon that AP really did want a nuclear family in the traditional sense because that is the family structure that she grew up within. All kids from stable homes crave the crazy bohemian lifestyle when young, but ultimately when they have their own children they understand that raising children in a stable 2 adult family gives children the best chance of thriving.
And that fake (public) “concern” for someone’s mental health is part of DARVO. A well known method employed by cult leaders to discredit and defame someone.
He is text book narc so it’s ironic that he played that Good Reads trick.
I reckon that AP really did want a nuclear family in the traditional sense because that is the family structure that she grew up within. All kids from stable homes crave the crazy bohemian lifestyle when young, but ultimately when they have their own children they understand that raising children in a stable 2 adult family gives children the best chance of thriving.
It’s fine to have a different opinion. Everyone has different sides and people are rarely just good or bad. It’s just that the press around him is so one-sided and cultish that it’s interesting to consider the other side sometimes.Neil Gaiman is brilliant in my opinion.
Writes amazinngly, and the few times I've met him (through work) he has been lovely and chatty and suitably down on himself.
But, go on... accuse me of hero woshipping the white male author
Power, money, kudos, a bunch of women fawning over him and no doubt the backing of the church of Scientology.I will never think that a middle aged man marrying a pop singer 15 years younger than him is the victim in the situation. She may be a crappy person, but he had the power in the relationship, and the public on his side.
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