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veronica71

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Inspired by the Not Just The Tudors chat on another thread….a place to discuss all things historical including books and media 🏰🏰

I’m going to see Alison Weir tomorrow night talk about her new book about Thomas Wolsey and the ticket price includes a copy of the book!! Very excited.
 
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CarmenGhia

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I like how the Vindolanda tablets they found at Hadrian's Wall aren't all military notes or official missives. They're shopping lists, bitchy letters and party invitations.
 
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MaineCoonMama

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Medieval Madness on YouTube is great for an insight into the day to day life of ordinary folk.
I love royal life and famous people but there's something intriguing about how regular people did their shopping, made clothing and communicated.

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CarmenGhia

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My dad knows two people who have minor disabilities due to childhood polio. There was a really interesting display about it in the medical section of the Science Museum; half of the problems with polio came from the fact that no-one knew how to treat it properly and did things that made it worse. Not just the disease itself, but the after-effects. Children had their affected limbs set in plaster and were immobilised in bed, as this was thought to prevent the bones from bending and bowing, which it doesn't. Soft tissue wastage causes that, and you need movement to counteract it.

A lot of modern exercise stuff, like stationary bikes and Pilates classes, was invented to help either polio patients or injured soldiers.
 
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ordinaryjelly

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I had a really good history teacher who taught us with enthusiasm and made every lesson interesting.

I understand she had to more or less stick to the curriculum, but I moved to Asia when I was 26 and visited their museums and galleries. I realise we cannot be taught everything in our lessons here and obviously they have to do it all with European slant, we were taught European WWII. I had no idea just how vicious the Japanese had been or the other little nuances that had gone on.


This was one of the most interesting galleries I had visited. It was a pictorial time line from the beginning of WWII through to 'peace'.

On the 15th February every year Singapore marks National Defence Day. It is the day Britain surrendered Singapore to Japan and the Japanese occupation was complete, in 1942.

I will never forget how one year I was at the playground with my children. The national siren sounds for a minute. There was an elderly lady sat beside me on the bench. I could see she had tears streaming down her face, when the siren ended I didn't know what to do - being very clearly British. I just said "I'm sorry" and she said "you will never understand how cruel they were" (not in a nasty way.)

She went on to tell me that Japanese forces came into her school and took all the children's shoes. Singapore is hot, the ground at the time which wasn't fully paved as it is now, was often lanes with soil on - like that hot beach sand on holiday. Searingly hot, those children had to walk home - often extensive distances, on that ground barefoot.

I think of that lady everyday 15th February and her poor barefeet.

Japanese cruelty. What was the point of that?
 
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MaineCoonMama

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I'd love to see Mary Beard! It's not until November, I wonder if I can talk one of my friends into going? I know my husband won't be interested.
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Chocolategoggler

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I've always wondered if you're obsessed with a certain era maybe it's because you were alive during that time??🤔
I was obsessed with history at school until I had to choose my subjects, and I didn't choose history as they were doing WW1 and WW2 - boring!!! - how I wish I'd not been a little madame and taken them. 🙄 Instead I reduced my poor history teacher to tears. 😥
I was tempted back at A levels, though, as they were doing the Tudors, but with the most boring teacher. 😬
 
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veronica71

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I’ve started reading The Cardinal by Alison Weir and as lovely as it is she’s giving him a personal life I feel a bit icky reading about his sex life 🙈
 
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petitspois

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I had a really good history teacher who taught us with enthusiasm and made every lesson interesting.

I understand she had to more or less stick to the curriculum, but I moved to Asia when I was 26 and visited their museums and galleries. I realise we cannot be taught everything in our lessons here and obviously they have to do it all with European slant, we were taught European WWII. I had no idea just how vicious the Japanese had been or the other little nuances that had gone on.


This was one of the most interesting galleries I had visited. It was a pictorial time line from the beginning of WWII through to 'peace'.

On the 15th February every year Singapore marks National Defence Day. It is the day Britain surrendered Singapore to Japan and the Japanese occupation was complete, in 1942.

I will never forget how one year I was at the playground with my children. The national siren sounds for a minute. There was an elderly lady sat beside me on the bench. I could see she had tears streaming down her face, when the siren ended I didn't know what to do - being very clearly British. I just said "I'm sorry" and she said "you will never understand how cruel they were" (not in a nasty way.)

She went on to tell me that Japanese forces came into her school and took all the children's shoes. Singapore is hot, the ground at the time which wasn't fully paved as it is now, was often lanes with soil on - like that hot beach sand on holiday. Searingly hot, those children had to walk home - often extensive distances, on that ground barefoot.

I think of that lady everyday 15th February and her poor barefeet.

Japanese cruelty. What was the point of that?
That's interesting, awful but interesting.

I agree with your comment about 'what was the point of that?' and think the same about all conflicts. Take Israel and Gaza - both sides actions are abhorrent but while both are trying to win people over and persuade them that they have more of a right to the land and are more of a victim than the other side then this will just carry on. As it always has done. Both sides need to concede and compromise but that never happens does it?

Thinking about history in general, I find the social aspect of WW2 interesting but everything about military history sends me to sleep. If there's a choice of documentaries, I'd much rather a good plague than a war.
 
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mindlessness

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My teen chose history as he loves it, but the teacher is so uninspiring, it's ruined it for him. :( Even the Germany WW1 and WW2 interests him, but the delivery has ruined it. They are doing the American West which is my obsessive period, well jealous.
Ugh a bad teacher experience is the worst. Does he like to read at all? Dominic Sandbrook from The Rest is History Podcast has written a number of books (and there’s audiobooks) aimed at young people. He has one on each world war which could maybe re-ignite your son’s interest? They’re call The Adventures in Time series.


(Also, love history and love this idea for a thread!)
 
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MaineCoonMama

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The latest episode of Gone Medieval podcast sounds really interesting, can't wait to get stuck into it later tonight.
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MaineCoonMama

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I've always wondered if you're obsessed with a certain era maybe it's because you were alive during that time??🤔
I was obsessed with history at school until I had to choose my subjects, and I didn't choose history as they were doing WW1 and WW2 - boring!!! - how I wish I'd not been a little madame and taken them. 🙄 Instead I reduced my poor history teacher to tears. 😥
I was tempted back at A levels, though, as they were doing the Tudors, but with the most boring teacher. 😬
Perhaps some of us have lived many times? I love pre-history as well, when I was growing up we hadn't discovered the 'missing link' yet but now there are so many different types of human.
Medieval, Roman times, lately the Tudors and always anything Scottish are my favourites. Anything to do with plagues is always a hit too for some reason. 🤷‍♀️ Can't help what I like.

My cat is called Susan but her real name is Boudicca as I couldn't get enough Boudicca when I was little. I loved her story.
 
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L3moning

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I love Tudor/War of the Roses times (the latter is more interesting than the former but six wives!!!!) and the Viking invasion too. Obsessed with the Royal Family due to the Rex Factor podcast but there’s so much stuff before us it’s all fascinating
I find it interesting that, in the UK at least, we seem to spend more time learning about Henry VIII than anything else. Which i sort of get because he's important for a few reasons, but there are a lot of other things which are either more interesting, just as important or both.
 
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chickhicks86

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I've always wondered if you're obsessed with a certain era maybe it's because you were alive during that time??🤔
I was obsessed with history at school until I had to choose my subjects, and I didn't choose history as they were doing WW1 and WW2 - boring!!! - how I wish I'd not been a little madame and taken them. 🙄 Instead I reduced my poor history teacher to tears. 😥
I was tempted back at A levels, though, as they were doing the Tudors, but with the most boring teacher. 😬
My teen chose history as he loves it, but the teacher is so uninspiring, it's ruined it for him. :( Even the Germany WW1 and WW2 interests him, but the delivery has ruined it. They are doing the American West which is my obsessive period, well jealous.
 
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veronica71

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I love Tudor/War of the Roses times (the latter is more interesting than the former but six wives!!!!) and the Viking invasion too. Obsessed with the Royal Family due to the Rex Factor podcast but there’s so much stuff before us it’s all fascinating
 
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mee43

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I find it interesting that, in the UK at least, we seem to spend more time learning about Henry VIII than anything else. Which i sort of get because he's important for a few reasons, but there are a lot of other things which are either more interesting, just as important or both.
Completely agree. Probably because his reign was a turning point in the nation’s history and shaped the course of its future so very strongly.
I love History and can be a walking encyclopaedia on much of the Tudor period 😂 but my knowledge of other historical periods is really sketchy, because it’s only in recent years that more and more historians have come to the fore who specialise in broader eras.
I’m so grateful for some of the fantastic history podcasts that we can access now; it’s giving me so much more than the curriculum at school ever did :)
 
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CarmenGhia

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Has anyone managed to watch King & Conqueror yet? I've been looking forward to it soooooo much and am so disappointed that it appears they've made a completely different story up. I am just listening to an old Rex Factor podcast and they've mentioned the Mary Queen of Scots film and The Favourite and how they are both historically inaccurate. Why do they do this?!!? Obviously some poetic licence is allowed but there are so many amazing stories in history that you couldn't even begin to write why not stick to that or if not then do something completely new
I'm in two minds about this. I loved The Favourite, and I think it was stylised enough to count as something clearly not strictly biographical. I have more of a problem with straight history media where there's not much evidence, and imaginary reconstruction is used instead. This then gets accepted as fact, and anyone challenging it gets shouted down.

That drama that had Anne Boleyn as a black woman really annoyed me. Not just a black actress playing Anne, which might have worked on stage, but storylines where Anne Boleyn faced racism. There are lots of black women in history who would have made a good subject for a drama.
 
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ordinaryjelly

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The latest episode of Gone Medieval podcast sounds really interesting, can't wait to get stuck into it later tonight.
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This episode made me cry. I won't spoil it but I think it will emotionally effect even the most cold hearted of us all.

As always with Matt this was a well researched podcast and presented in a way that was interesting with every sentence, instead of being dry and droll like so many history podcasts can be.
 
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petitspois

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History was taught so badly when I was in school. For some reason it just seemed to be loads of iron age forts.

It's recent history but the 'back in time' series on BBC2 - anyone catch that?
 
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