True, however, I know some US schools (such as my own) are trying to adopt some of the UK style stuff for universities (like modules, class rank, etc) which is honestly really interesting.@hart301 I think there are still some big differences even at university level, but I do know what you mean! In fact, the professional schools in the US are a good example - in the UK, people usually go straight into a degree in medicine or law at age 18/19, either immediately after their A-levels or after a single “gap year”. There is no requirement for a college degree first. While there are now some special graduate entry medicine options, and it’s also possible to do a “law conversion” course after studying something else at university, the pathway is definitely quite unlike the US one.
I know a lot of British doctors think the American system is superior for medical education.
Irish.@ItsDatCuw are you Irish or Welsh that you had to take old Irish and Welsh at school as compulsory subjects?! Wow
It was a very “Celtic”-focused school so we studied both Irish and Welsh Medieval literature - The Mythological Cycle; The Mabinogian, etc., and also some variants from Brittany. It was intense! 🫠Why did you have to take Welsh?!
I'm at uni rn. I started in 2021 when lectures were online and seminars were on-campus, but since last year everything has been on-campus. They've kept online exams for about half the modules though, which is a blessing and a curse since it means less memorisation but much more applied and difficult questions to stop everyone getting 100% by copying from their notesGuessing you guys are all over 25 or so like me- the uni experience seems to have really changed for the worseIt's practically all online now!
One of our lecturers told us that he automatically takes 10% off of our grades for all online exams - just because he knows we have the option of looking at our notes 🫤I'm at uni rn. I started in 2021 when lectures were online and seminars were on-campus, but since last year everything has been on-campus. They've kept online exams for about half the modules though, which is a blessing and a curse since it means less memorisation but much more applied and difficult questions to stop everyone getting 100% by copying from their notes
While my own PhD is fully funded, self-funding is not uncommon and isn’t strange at all, at least in Ireland. It’s no different here to self-funding any other degree. There are more people doing self-funded PhDs than there are receiving grants, as funding in this country is notoriously bad and scarce. PhD places are still very competitive and limited and I know more than a handful of people whose applications were rejected even when funding wasn’t on offer. Getting a place alone here is a big achievement in itself so to be “accepted” at all is to be fully accepted. A lot of universities here don’t offer scholarships at all and when they do, it’s usually only in certain disciplines/departments and you would usually need to already hold a 1:1 MA degree. I have no idea how things are or how these things are viewed in the UK or US though.Sorry to resurrect this thread but I was browsing through the rooobee threads and I was confused at your insistence that doing a non-funded masters (that is, a masters without grant funding) was strange. I did my degree in the UK (4 year undergraduate masters, so bachelor after 3 and an extra year for the masters) and I have never heard of anyone getting a funded masters place, ever. I'm not going to deny they exist, but I should think they are few and far between, and completely atypical.
On PhD places, you're completely correct. If your PhD doesn't have funding, you're not really accepted, and self funding (that is, using your own money rather than external grant funding) is very cringe. You can go straight to a PhD from a bachelors, but it is unusual here in the UK and you don't get the masters as part of the course.
Are you in the US? Because the timelines for the expectation of self funding might line up. That would be, 4 years to start with and then external funding afterwards.
That is fair, I come from a STEM background where funding is far easier to come by for a PhD. I don't think I know anyone who has self funded a PhD, they tend to not do one if it's not available. I can tell you also disagree with the notion of "buying" your way onto a MA or PhD (which I believe was the remark from the OP where the original conversation started), which I also don't think is really a thing in the UK, and presumably not in Ireland. I don't think Ruby could have paid her way onto it, even if she tried.While my own PhD is fully funded, self-funding is not uncommon and isn’t strange at all, at least in Ireland. It’s no different here to self-funding any other degree. There are more people doing self-funded PhDs than there are receiving grants, as funding in this country is notoriously bad and scarce. PhD places are still very competitive and limited and I know more than a handful of people whose applications were rejected even when funding wasn’t on offer. Getting a place alone here is a big achievement in itself so to be “accepted” at all is to be fully accepted. A lot of universities here don’t offer scholarships at all and when they do, it’s usually only in certain disciplines/departments and you would usually need to already hold a 1:1 MA degree. I have no idea how things are or how these things are viewed in the UK or US though.
It’s interesting how different countries vary. Mine is in the humanities so totally different ball-game I’d imagine. I can’t speak for other countries but definitely here there isn’t a concept of buying an MA or a PhD. I guess the attitude is that if you can afford it, you should educate yourself if you can and it’s been like that for centuries really. In the US especially, I’d imagine the funding opportunities are much better so maybe there’s more of a stigma there about paying for your own postgrad course?That is fair, I come from a STEM background where funding is far easier to come by for a PhD. I don't think I know anyone who has self funded a PhD, they tend to not do one if it's not available. I can tell you also disagree with the notion of "buying" your way onto a MA or PhD (which I believe was the remark from the OP where the original conversation started), which I also don't think is really a thing in the UK, and presumably not in Ireland. I don't think Ruby could have paid her way onto it, even if she tried.
I've become quite familiar with the UK education. There's this misconception that in the US you can't specialize in a subject earlier on in your degree, and that's not true. There are gen eds that we're required to complete and most people don't declare their major until their sophomore year, but that's because in order to declare your major you have to meet the major requirements. For example, I'm an applied math major with a minor in physics. I was admitted to my university in the college of science because like most students I did not enter university undecided. I was not able to officially declare my major or my minor until I passed several classes in my major and minor. I was still taking 4 math classes and 1 physics class, but I could not officially declare my major. For the college of engineering at my university, they have to pass certain classes too, but they also have to maintain a higher gpa than my program or they have to pick a different major. So in the US, we do specialize early on but while we are taking classes in our majors and minors we also have mandatory gen eds and it's not official until you've proven you can handle it. I was fortunate enough to take a lot of university-level classes in high school that transferred over, but some students are stuck taking the max amount of credits to graduate on time, especially if they double major. When I'm referring to course load, I'm referring to the fact that we often cannot focus on just one or two subjects because if we did it would take 6+ years to graduate because of all the graduation requirements and if you drop below full-time you lose your government aid.@crowleyskeeper I'm just tagging you in here as the discussion's not that relevant to Ruby. I agree with this bit
''The part that's supposed to be challenging in a master's degree is the independent thought and analysis. Not the course load'' but then you say ''Her course load is not anything to write home about in either education system but especially compared to the US''.
You honestly can't really compare the UK to the US when it comes to degrees. US is broader although you 'major' in stuff, but UK you specialise quite early. You can literally do a whole essay on a pencil visible on a piece of art from the 1600s for a whole term and that's it. Neither method is better or worse- like plenty of Brits do MBAs for example at Harvard as the breadth of education is better. But suggesting there's more work in a US course is slightly off base
Not fighting with ya and I'm noooo expert, just you probs don't have a super deep knowledge of exactly how UK degrees work- no reason why you should!
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