IngressUK

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It's his way of not having to address it 🤷‍♀️
If you look closely, it is rather telling that many of the 'usual suspects' on here can't bring themselves to:

A) Support comments condemning the actions by these grooming gangs.
B) Support any comments that dare to criticise Labour Councils where these incidents were largely occurring, and being ignored. Nor the current attitude of the Labour Government to the issue.

Indeed, one idiot tried to pathetically deflect the situation, by trying to blame 'mainly white men' being involved in gang rapes.

Seriously!

This goes to show the level of mentality by some on the left. Ethnic minority individuals must be protected and defended at all costs, even if they have done criminal acts.

All the majority in this country want is for the law to be applied fairly to all.

Not certain groups getting more favourable treatment over others.

If you break the law, you get punished. Regardless of sex, sexual preference, skin colour, ethnic minority, or religious belief.

To be labeled 'far right' for even daring to suggest this, just goes to show how idiotic some have become on the subject of fairness.
 
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Theodore

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The ”he’s gay and shagging Lord Ali” crap on X is a nonsense. We should concentrate on what an abject liar he is and how he’s betrayed the pledges he made in order to get elected. He’s a c**t of the very highest order.
 
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moldwarp

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OK apols for double posting but have you guys seen the SCENES today from Hamas UK Your Party??

Basically as far as I can make out:

1. Zarah Sultana set up a website and acquired a domain through which people could formally join the party
2. 6 hours later Jeremy Corbyn sent out an 'urgent message' warning followers that an unauthorised person had set up a "supposed membership portal" which isn't the official one and members should ignore it or, if already signed up, cancel their direct debits. This message was co-signed by the top male members of Your Party (Corbyn, Ayoub Khan, Adnan Hussain, Iqbal Mohamed, Shockat Adam) but NO Zarah.
3. 21 minutes later Zarah fires back with a message called "My Response" where she reams out her fellow Your Party leaders and accuses them of sexism and misogyny and 'calls on' Corbyn (via fucking TWITTER) to 'meet her'

So it looks like:

1. Your Party, far from its lofty aims of espousing progressive socialism or whatever, is currently committing mass hara kiri over a web domain
2. Everyone in the party who isn't Zarah Sultana hates Zarah Sultana and won't even be in same room as Zarah Sultana
3. Zarah Sultana appears to be literally the only woman left in Britain who's failed to notice that male socialists and male islamists tend to be a bit, ya know, sexist, sometimes, so bang the two together and you might get quite a lot of sexism

Oh my days! The chaos! The incompetence! WE ARE IN CLOWNWORLD!!!

Even in the darkest of days, my friends, humour and laughter still find us :)

ETA I shouldn't have called Your Party Hamas UK. That was wrong of me. That was uncalled for. Hamas are actually pretty damn well organised.
 
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Miss polar

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I don’t agree with everything Rosie Duffield says, but she has been shouted down, bullied and gaslighted for standing up for the rights of women and girls.
She refuses to subscribe to the trans cult by simply stating the truth, that trans women are men, and do not belong anywhere near women’s single sex spaces.
I bet Keir and his cabal are pleased she’s gone.
Although the short term it will cause embarrassment for Starmer.
 
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Maleficent50

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I’m going to stick my head up here and no doubt get a whole load of abuse.

I am a single self employed mother of one child. I also have a second PAYE job. When my daughter was going through applications for high school she was offered a place at the worst school in the area under special measures. She passed the entrance exam for a very good private grammar school. I decided to pay for her education. She’s a bright but shy child. Had bullying issues in primary school. She’s excelled in private school. I have worked my absolute arse off on my own to pay the fees. We have done without a LOT to do this. I’ve pulled her out for sixth form because I am unable to find the extra money needed with the VAT increase. I have already paid my taxes into the system for a state school place we didn’t use because the school offered is fucking shite. So come at me with your arguments but it’s people like me - hard working normal parents who will lose out. Bright kids like my daughter who potentially are the future leaders of our country and trying to break out of the shite poor background I grew up with trying to do better in life. Come at me and tell me I’m wrong!
 
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moldwarp

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I'm outraged at Starmer's undemocratic shenanigans at thwarting Andy Burnham's attempt to return to Westminster. I really would like Andy 'Eye Lashes' Burnham to have a tilt at the Labour leadership.

If he does, then the whole horrible story about Eye Lashes' dark past - how he knew about the grooming gangs, and participated in the cover-up to advance his career in the deeply corrupt rotten boroughs of the North - will hopefully, finally, be brought fully to public attention.

if Burnham's attempt to crawl to the office of Prime Minister over the broken bodies and ruined minds of countless women and girls, places his complicity on the front pages, then I'm all for it. Sunlight, please! Let's hear it all!

And then the glorious North of England may finally get the leaders it deserves.

In the meantime, the brave Raja Miah continues to expose the complicity of Eye Lashes in the institutional cover up.
 
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moldwarp

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Once had someone complain that the gossip I commented on 'wasn't the right kind of gossip' 🤦‍♀️
Only Labour approved gossip is permitted in the authoritarian regime glorious socialist paradise of our Dear Leader Two Tier Kweir. You may mock Trump, Kemi, or even go all the way back to Boris Johnson and Rees-Mogg if you must. But never, ever, EVER mock the Illustrious Denizens of Labour, on pain of being banged up for 289 years in a cell that used to be occupied by a rapist (he’s now back at large). At the very least some po-faced progressive will pop up here like Candyman telling you you’re deluded and facist for wanting to have a laugh. Laughing is not permitted in the Dear Leader’s Utopia! Only Lefty humour is allowed, and since the Left don’t know how to be funny, we’re at no risk of laughing.

And whatever you do, DON’T MENTION THE RENT BOYS. I mentioned them once, but I think I got away with it.
 
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moldwarp

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Presume half of Keith's outrage about Jim Ratcliffe is to try and distract from and change the narrative from Matthew Doyle and Mandelson.
And also Naheed Ejaz, the Labour Mayor of Bracknell, who has just been found guilty of conspiring with her 41 year old son to withhold from the police evidence when he was arrested for raping a 15 year old girl.

I must say I do find it quite symbolic of our country's moral decline, that more politicans, public figures and celebs are expressing outrage of Jim Ratcliffe's WORDS than they have over the decades long grooming gang RAPES AND COVER UPS.
 
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^ Me too. Absolutely disgusting and disingenuous arseholes. Lisa Nandy would wear her knickers on her head if she was told to. Men cannot be women and you cannot grow cervixes in a laboratory. They lost my vote with this bullshit.
 
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Eye_Spy

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It’s not brexit, although that may have compounded the issue. Brexit means that we have less skilled workers coming in via the legal route, and so immigration as a whole is more of a problem because the proportions are worse in terms of being illegal or unfit/unqualified to work. So what we have now is less ‘useful’ immigration and more ‘drain on the state’ immigration.

Even the most bleeding heart liberals who are favour of letting in unvetted potential murders and putting them up free of charge in hotels…must have a cut-off point where they don’t necessarily object to immigration in principle, but realise that this country can’t sustain this rate without a complete collapse of public services and the economy.

I’ve worked in a secondary school recently, and it’s obvious the country has massive problems just from being in that environment. The standard of education is dropping, due to very poor behaviour standards. The children are in charge, we’ve just done mock exams for y11, a lot of these children are refusing to sit in the exam rooms, needing extra staff to deal with them being disruptive, negotiating being in there less time etc, being very rude, they even have parents that side with them rather than tell them to do as they are told. SEN is used as an excuse for bad behaviour constantly, the children have to be ‘understood’ and not punished, the ‘deprived home life’ has to be considered…there are no expectation standards on the parents at all, the parents even call the school expecting the school to sort out rows between siblings that are happening at home or their child putting on weight because they are sitting in front of a games console all the time at home. There are many children who, after having entered state funded education (nursery) at the age of 3, by the age of 16, with the government funding that education for 13 years…then sit in their GCSE exams and decide not even to open the question papers and intentionally fail. Insanely, there’s nothing that can be done to push children to actually care. We need something like the American system where kids can’t play sports unless they do their homework and complete exam papers (no matter the actual grade, just that they are trying), or there is some other benefits that are taken away, like making them hand in their phones so they don’t have them to play with at lunchtimes if they aren’t working in lessons etc, or putting a 10% cut on the parent’s child tax credit to make the parent care about their child’s behaviour. If this sounds cruel, believe me it isn’t…these same children who apparently can’t read/write/behave due to SEN etc…as soon as they step outside the classroom they are typing on their phones, they are arranging to play FIFA online at a certain time, they are discussing their money and how much they can spend on their new phones…therefore these children do have basic literacy, organisational skills, ability to learn etc

The staff at this school spend more hours, and therefore more cost, in dealing with behaviour and the home-life of the kids, trying to gently persuade them to do 10mins of work per 7 hour school day…than they do in constructively teaching. This is in a city school, but not a major city, it has a low number of immigrants. If this school had a higher number of kids who arrive unable to speak English (as is happening in larger cities)…I think that the education of the majority of the children, aside from the top 10-20% who genuinely arrive at school wanting to work and push their way through all the distractions and ignore all the bad behaviour…must be tanking horrendously.

The reason I’m flagging this is because in addition to bringing in undocumented migrants who can’t work legally, or even if they do get granted to remain….either don’t speak good English or any qualifications they have can’t be verified…so they remain a drain on the state even if they are working as they can’t get off minimum wage…there is also a large chunk of children leaving the school system who are essentially unemployable.

When you are constantly increasing the proportion of society who are either unemployable or can only reach minimum wage…that is a recipe for tanking the economy and raised taxes for everyone else (which is already happening, which Labour is trying to disguise).

The answer, unfortunately, to the migrant/asylum situation, is to do something drastic and unpalatable. People are crossing several safe countries in Europe before making a dangerous channel crossing, knowing they may die in the process. That means there is something they are getting in the UK that the rest of Europe isn’t providing. I don’t know what the benefits systems are like in other countries…but I’m guessing ours are better. I’ve seen photos of tent camps where migrants stay in France…yet when they arrive in the UK they are put in hotels…there is your problem…the only way to stop them risking their lives with that dangerous crossing is to ensure that what they get for doing is no better than what they are getting in the place they have left. Anyone over 18 coming here should be in an encampment until they receive remain status or are deported, safe but not comfortable conditions, no access to cigarettes or alcohol, no cash provided, just meals and a safe place to sleep, compulsory English lessons, access to the same level of healthcare we get and no queue jumping. Fingerprinting and DNA taken on arrival and stored indefinitely and checked against interpol before they are granted asylum, access to sports for health purposes but no access to costly entertainment such as cinema or games consoles. Work duties assigned within the camp so they have to change their own bedsheets and cook their own meals etc and maintain the grounds of the premises, to avoid having to pay for even more staff to just to provide for them the things that the rest of us have to do for ourselves.

This system of immediately putting people arriving without documentation into hotels with meals and housekeeping provided, giving them weekly pocket money and giving them priority access to healthcare isn’t sustainable…all it does is encourage more and more people to cross the channel.

I feel like we are on a cusp of change nationally, like a severe ‘winter of discontent’ is coming within the next couple of years. Whatever Kier Starmer claims about not raising taxes on working people isn’t going to hold it off. He’s instead put in place tax changes that raise costs for businesses, there will be job losses and cost of living increases as a result…wiping out his mantra that he’s making these people ‘better off’, the lowest paid people are still getting worse off, and there still isn’t enough financial incentive, especially for parents entitled to significant benefits, to work full time. The continued high numbers of immigrants means that alongside the alongside this problem, the strain on public services will worsen, meaning discontent that people don’t see value in return for their taxation.

It’s not racist or xenophobic to say that we would like to reduce immigration to protect our own ability to access to the education, housing and healthcare…that we are paying for ourselves, rather than suffer without those things being properly provided in favour of giving them away for free to people who have entered the country through an illegal route.

All this isn’t likely to impact on me a great deal apart from if I need to use the NHS, but it will impact the younger generation, especially anyone on a low wage who doesn’t already own a property…is essentially screwed, as they can’t pull themselves out of that situation through simply working more hours or minor promotions.
 
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Theodore

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I’m probably spectacularly missing something but what would be the issue with Starmer being bi or gay or a massive shagger?
Boris Johnson was getting blow jobs in the Foreign Office and refused to say how many children he had and it didn’t seem to matter very much.
So because Boris had no morals it’s ok for equally “married with children” Starmer to be an immoral, lying slag? What happened to the end of sleaze and “the adults are in charge”? We were promised better. Labour have turned out to be monumentally worse than the shite we had before.
 
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moldwarp

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I don't know how I've missed this story but what is the story?
Well now little @Skewbedu , sit yourself down and let me tell you a story.

Please bear in mind it IS only a story, and any resemblance to any lantern jawed politicians is purely coincidental, m'lud!

You see little @Skewbedu , once upon a time, in a kingdom far, far away, there lived a man called Mier Barmer, the hoary handed, large chinned son of a sainted and blessed toolmaker. But Mier was not satisfied with his father's toolmaking ways. His eyes were fixed upon a greater dream, he wished to journey all the way to London Town and to the Palace of Westminster, where he wished to rule all the citizens and settle his grey, technocratic and deeply corrupt fair, just and sensible rule all over the land.

In order to do this, Mier had to marry, because the citizens of Westminster prefer a leader who's happily married, to a lady (an actual lady, mind, not one of those brick shithouse ladies with willies). And so he did, he married a beautiful lady called Kicktoria, who liked all the same hobbies and pastimes as Mier did, such as getting fancy clothes for free, going to concerts for free, and wearing designer specs, also for free.

But you see, Mier had a dark and dirty secret. A secret that he believed he could never reveal, because if he did, the citizens of Westminster might not let him be their ruler anymore. And do you know what that secret was? Well, Mier LOVES immigrants, right? Especially immigrants who'll monopolise local councils and form voting blocs to keep him in power. But you see the thing is, sometimes Mier loves immigrants SO MUCH, he actually lets them come round to his house and rail him senseless unblock his u-bend with their plungers. For which he pays them. Cash in hand, of course, because whilst Mier and his mates just LOVE taxation, they only love it when other people are paying it.

And so what happened next? Well, there were three beautiful rent boys Ukrainian princelings, called, oh, I dunno, Bilbo, Frodo and Gozo. And they pumped their plungers into Mier's U-bend, and they cleaned him right out! But Mier, with his mind on serious affairs of state, forgot to pay them! And so what did those three princelings do? Well, they huffed, and they puffed, and they BURNED his house down! (Well, just the porch. And his old car.)

And Lady Kicktoria was sore in wrath and kicked him out of the house and he had to go and stay in a flat owned by his fairy godmother, Lord Ali. But Mier is very clever, so he put out lots of photos of his children so that when he did public broadcasts from the flat (as this was during a time when all the land was sorely afflicted with a plague, and all citizens were shut up in their homes), it looked like he was still in his house!

But not everyone was fooled and rumours abounded aplenty.

To be continued.....
 
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Miss Begotten

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Starmer still hasn't spoken out about the not so peaceful demonstrations, defacing of and urinating on statues in London and around the Country by hoards of aggressive men, many of whom are also holding threatening banners. And they wonder why women don't want to share facilities with them.

Previous thread here:

Well quite. Nothing says “I’m a woman” like getting your dick out in public. 🙄
Do you think someone has taken Lammy away for a quick biology lesson and told him men cant grow a cervix?
 
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PeteM

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The reason why they're not walking it is because of most of the media being a Tory propaganda machine, aiding and abetting their corrupt ways, FFS.

It wouldn't matter who was Labour leader right now.
 
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IngressUK

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Your assertion that we're jealous because we're not Prime Minister and we don't live in mansions is desperately stunted and reductive. It's the kind of point made in the absence of anything tangible.
It also stinks of hypocrisy and double standards.

Someone can't bang on about the Tories 'doing this, and doing that', yet ignore the exact same things going on under Labour, just because it is Labour.

At the end of the day, any politicians on the take, fiddling, or accepting endless 'freebies' should be rightly called out - regardless of political party.

It is not right, nor fair, that those in the real world have to pay for everything they own and consume, on a taxed income. Yet MPs arrogantly expect a decent wage (and decent pay rises every year), and for their living expenses to be subsidised, or provided for free. Through taxpayer 'expenses', or through bungs from Donors.

The supposedly £20k cost for the free use of Lord Alli's penthouse, is alone worth more than many people's income after tax.

Some people (not all) really are blinded by their partisan view of Labour, which clearly clouds their judgment on what is right and wrong. This makes them no better than the MPs (including Starmer) whom they are trying to pathetically defend.

'Nothing to see here' when it involves Labour. 'That bunch of freeloading Tories', when the Tory Government was doing the same.

As I said at the very start, just hypocrisy and double standards.
 
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Theodore

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A government with integrity, he said. The adults are back in the room, he said. He whipped his MP’s to vote against a national inquiry. Now, when it can’t be covered up anymore, this.
What a vile scumbag Keir Starmer is. At this point I’d go so far as to say that in one year he and his party have surpassed the Tories in the level of lies, hypocrisy, incompetence and mismanagement of our country’s affairs. I despise him.
 
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JAR21

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So now he’s against mass immigration and has a set list of demands for people coming here. Learn English (should be a given), have skilled workers be educated to graduate level, apparently carers from other countries will no longer be allowed to work here (that’s going to mess up the care system) and legislation being introduced to stop the courts from deciding if people should be deported (eg, you can’t deport me because my kid doesn’t like chicken nuggets in our home country, or my autistic kid won’t speak to anybody but me - even though they don’t have contact with their family!).

I just think that in order to be allowed into the UK, you need ID papers so we can check who you are. I know that they could be faked but at least we can do some sort of background checks on them. We need our ID to access other countries and our own, surely they have some form of ID. It just scares me that anyone could enter the UK. I also know we have home grown people who want to do bad things in the UK but we shouldn’t allow access to more.
My own view is that if you enter illegally, then it's an automatic no. And if you've got no papers it's an automatic no.
 
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IngressUK

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Me too, they are hiding so much from us.
Well Starmer has made a rod for his own back over this.

All anyone wants to see is the law applied fairly to all. It doesn't matter what, race, religion, or gender someone is. Not to mention the double standards over releasing information over 'prejudicing verdicts'. It seems the information is released without question in some cases, whilst others is it not allowed.

However, all we see is if someone is non-white, the way cases are reported, and handled is different to those that are. All for not risking 'community tensions'. Those communities need to start learning to act within the law, like the rest of us are expected to do - not receive favourable treatment when they break the law.

Just look at the ridiculous situation which occurred in the Manchester Airport incident. If it not were for public outcry, I doubt they would of even been charged by now, if at all. Yet, if anyone else has of done this, they would have been long since been charged with an offence.

This has got to stop. Until it does, people quite rightly have grounds to complain of two tier law and order, and justice systems.

Can also blame f**king headbanger idiots like Diane Abbott for making the streets less safe. It is not 'racist' to carry out stop and search , especially when the vast majority carrying knifes are young black males. If they don't like the prospect of being stopped and searched- then don't carry a knife - is is that simple. However, not to idiots like Abbott, who still play the race card over these kind of issues.
 
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moldwarp

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FFS haven't these politicians learned anything. 🤦‍♂️

Calling Farage and anyone who supports him or even considers immigration an issue a racist isnt going to work. Scare tactics dont work, and if anything just pushes people more to them.

It didnt work in the Brexit referendum, it got Trump elected twice, it gave Boris a massive majority etc etc.

Come up with policies and plans. Stop just trying to scare people and attacking your opponents.
I find it all very interesting. The point of a democracy is that the government should listen to what the majority wants and serve accordingly.

Of course, sometimes a responsible Government has to 'protect the people from their own worst instincts' which is why the death penalty was ended in the UK despite consistent popular support. Now you can have an argument for and against the death penalty but I think we would all agree it's quite an isolated instance where, because of the risk of miscarriage of justice, it's a decision that was, probably rightly, taken out of voters' hands.

Immigration is different. I remember exactly where I was when I first heard public unease and dissatsufaction expressed with immigration - on a state-neglected council estate in Newcastle in the mid 2000s. Even at that relatively early stage, working class people could see the social and economic downsides of unchecked immigration and were talking about it. And the public has consistently made its views on unchecked immigration known, in polls and at the ballot box.

The attempt to silence and gaslight all of these people by calling them racist, etc has been the default mode of our ruling classes since Gordon Brown's hot mic moment. It didn't work then and it's downright inflammatory now. The fact that Starmer and others are still trying it on speaks strongly to the lack of political nous or human empathy in our ruling classes.

Having a democratically elected politician shit on and insult the people who elected him, all so he can avoid difficult conversations and difficult policy decisions, is....absurd and unprecedented. It really, really is and it threatens the very social contract on which parliamentary democracy rests.
 
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