teflonpanda
Chatty Member
Okay wow so Holly spilling a little bit of food on the kitchen counter or Holly eating something in her room = a big breech of family rules, absolutely unacceptable, time for her mom to crack down on that
Emily literally supporting Covid-denying conspiracy theorists and even apparently going to some sort of demonstration (?) in London with god knows what dodgy people = apparently no problem?
Like, I don't approve of the parents' controlling tendencies at all but one does wonder why those controlling tendencies apparently don't include talking some sense into Emily. (Then again I guess the whole family is not exactly famous for championing responsible health behavious or common sense - after all her parents encouraged Holly to run a fucking marathon on an injured foot) But basically I'm just super curious how the rest of the family thinks about Covid
Emily literally supporting Covid-denying conspiracy theorists and even apparently going to some sort of demonstration (?) in London with god knows what dodgy people = apparently no problem?
Like, I don't approve of the parents' controlling tendencies at all but one does wonder why those controlling tendencies apparently don't include talking some sense into Emily. (Then again I guess the whole family is not exactly famous for championing responsible health behavious or common sense - after all her parents encouraged Holly to run a fucking marathon on an injured foot) But basically I'm just super curious how the rest of the family thinks about Covid
CatCafe234
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The thing is, it’s not binary. It’s perfectly possible to get a first and also have done lots of other things AND had a life outside of your studies, even at Oxbridge. Holly seems to promote this image that in order to get a first, you have to be like her and study for fifteen hours a day and do nothing else, which is bonkers, unhealthy and not actually correct. She makes such a huge thing about coming top of her year but I’d guess that there wasn’t a lot of clear water between her and the second-ranked person, and it’d be interesting to see whether they shared the same kind of study routine and lifestyle. I’d imagine not.
pletkininke
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Her first and only video I watched was the Ruby Granger routine (because I follow Ruby). Holly said that she won't light a candle because she doesn't want to do it without "adult supervision", which is such a weird thing to say when you've already finished your studies. So I came here to say that lol
blmrqslm
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Is this her mom talking?
bigreputation
Active member
Her family are so negative lol her hair actually looked really good and I’m sure if she keeps it up it’ll look even better. Bit of encouragement wouldn’t go amiss. No wonder her recovery is almost non existent 
teflonpanda
Chatty Member
Yeah woof that video. Just woof. Honestly it just made me so, so angry to hear what Holly went through apparently without any help from her supposedly oh-so-great-and-supportive parents. I mean what the actual fuck?? At this point I just feel so sorry for Holly.
For starters, it sounds like Holly's mum never really explained much about periods to her. Because Holly explicitly mentions that she was super scared and confused when she got cramps during her period for the first time (when she was like 13-ish) - this means that noone ever told her about the side effects that can come with periods. And 13-year old Holly then felt like she had to hide that she was suffering from cramps, not tell anyone, not ask for help, and just 'power through' her school day in spite of the pain. I mean, there's something seriously messed up with this. And I don't blame Holly for this at all since she was a literal child at the time, but why wasn't her mum more supportive? Why didn't she explain these things to her daughter, and help her deal with it?
Honestly it's no wonder that teenage Holly was apparently so scared of her period, if she didn't get the information and support she needed. But God it's just sad to think about a kid so worried about "fulfilling expectations" (Holly's wording) that she sees her period as scary potential obstacle to a perfect dance performance. It's just. Not good, and it goes to show that Holly just didn't get the support she needed at home :/
But like others mentioned, the Big Obvious Glaring Issue is how Holly lost her period for SEVEN YEARS due to her eating disorder and her parents never once got her the professional help she clearly urgently needed?? I mean, for the first three years or so of this Holly was still a minor, living in her parents' house, under their care, and they apparently just ignored that she lost her period? Apart from everything else, this is shocking to me because you can lose your period for many reasons, some of them serious medical conditions, and also not having your period can have bad medical consequences in and of itself. Holly herself said that she "shudders to think" what her bone density must've been like during these years but then sort of shrugs it off in the video but like? Didn't her parents worry about her health at all??
And yes, apart from threatening her with not being allowed to go to Cambridge, I don't think Holly ever mentioned her parents doing anything in reaction to her severe eating disorder. (Like way to go, put yet more pressure on your daughter who is clearly under so much pressure already that she developed an ED as a maladjusted coping strategy! Such a good idea! Such great parenting!)
Also a big old WTF at that doctor at Cambridge who wanted to put Holly on the pill but apparently didn't inquire into the causes of her lack of hormones and her malnourishment/didn't try to get a psychologist involved. But also Holly shrugging it off by saying she "didn't want to go on the pill" - that's just weirdly reminiscent of Emily professing she "doesn't believe" in hormonal birth control. Maybe a family thing too? (Kinda weird, thinking the pill is harmful but apparently not thinking that having an untreated ED for seven years is harmful)
And Holly saying that she "didn't have time to think about" her missing period during her Cambridge years because she was too busy - that is a mental health red flag too, imho. In fact that whole video feels like one big red flag to me.
I just hope that Holly is seeing a therapist and simply doesn't mention it on camera (though why she would do that is beyond me, seeing how she shares literally every other intimate detail about her life). I just hope that she's finally getting help because oh boy does she need it. Honestly being left alone with an untreated serious mental health condition like that can be traumatizing in and of itself.
tl;dr Just me ranting about Holly's parents for a bit because holy hell they sure didn't handle Holly's ED well. Neglect can take many forms. :/
For starters, it sounds like Holly's mum never really explained much about periods to her. Because Holly explicitly mentions that she was super scared and confused when she got cramps during her period for the first time (when she was like 13-ish) - this means that noone ever told her about the side effects that can come with periods. And 13-year old Holly then felt like she had to hide that she was suffering from cramps, not tell anyone, not ask for help, and just 'power through' her school day in spite of the pain. I mean, there's something seriously messed up with this. And I don't blame Holly for this at all since she was a literal child at the time, but why wasn't her mum more supportive? Why didn't she explain these things to her daughter, and help her deal with it?
Honestly it's no wonder that teenage Holly was apparently so scared of her period, if she didn't get the information and support she needed. But God it's just sad to think about a kid so worried about "fulfilling expectations" (Holly's wording) that she sees her period as scary potential obstacle to a perfect dance performance. It's just. Not good, and it goes to show that Holly just didn't get the support she needed at home :/
But like others mentioned, the Big Obvious Glaring Issue is how Holly lost her period for SEVEN YEARS due to her eating disorder and her parents never once got her the professional help she clearly urgently needed?? I mean, for the first three years or so of this Holly was still a minor, living in her parents' house, under their care, and they apparently just ignored that she lost her period? Apart from everything else, this is shocking to me because you can lose your period for many reasons, some of them serious medical conditions, and also not having your period can have bad medical consequences in and of itself. Holly herself said that she "shudders to think" what her bone density must've been like during these years but then sort of shrugs it off in the video but like? Didn't her parents worry about her health at all??
And yes, apart from threatening her with not being allowed to go to Cambridge, I don't think Holly ever mentioned her parents doing anything in reaction to her severe eating disorder. (Like way to go, put yet more pressure on your daughter who is clearly under so much pressure already that she developed an ED as a maladjusted coping strategy! Such a good idea! Such great parenting!)
Also a big old WTF at that doctor at Cambridge who wanted to put Holly on the pill but apparently didn't inquire into the causes of her lack of hormones and her malnourishment/didn't try to get a psychologist involved. But also Holly shrugging it off by saying she "didn't want to go on the pill" - that's just weirdly reminiscent of Emily professing she "doesn't believe" in hormonal birth control. Maybe a family thing too? (Kinda weird, thinking the pill is harmful but apparently not thinking that having an untreated ED for seven years is harmful)
And Holly saying that she "didn't have time to think about" her missing period during her Cambridge years because she was too busy - that is a mental health red flag too, imho. In fact that whole video feels like one big red flag to me.
I just hope that Holly is seeing a therapist and simply doesn't mention it on camera (though why she would do that is beyond me, seeing how she shares literally every other intimate detail about her life). I just hope that she's finally getting help because oh boy does she need it. Honestly being left alone with an untreated serious mental health condition like that can be traumatizing in and of itself.
tl;dr Just me ranting about Holly's parents for a bit because holy hell they sure didn't handle Holly's ED well. Neglect can take many forms. :/
xoxoxo13
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Is she so stupid and sheltered that she really thinks that's the first time her brother's gotten drunk? I wish she got drunk and just ate massive kebabs or falafels and fries for once.
teflonpanda
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Holly, in her comment on her new video: "i would say i do a lot more than the average person in terms of trying to save the planet", "i am not 'promoting' cruises in this video at all"
The video title: COME ON A CRUISE SHIP WITH US!
Uhm, Holly... hate to break it to you, but if you accept a cruise ship company's offer of a free cruise on the condition that you vlog the experience in order to promote "the launch event for their new ship, Valiant Lady" (as you so helpfully wrote in the info box), then you are. promoting. a cruise!
Ffs, how hyprocritical can you be? And how stupid do you think your followers are if you really expect them to believe you that you are some planet-saving eco-warrior?? I just can't stand her anymore tbh.
The video title: COME ON A CRUISE SHIP WITH US!
Uhm, Holly... hate to break it to you, but if you accept a cruise ship company's offer of a free cruise on the condition that you vlog the experience in order to promote "the launch event for their new ship, Valiant Lady" (as you so helpfully wrote in the info box), then you are. promoting. a cruise!
Ffs, how hyprocritical can you be? And how stupid do you think your followers are if you really expect them to believe you that you are some planet-saving eco-warrior?? I just can't stand her anymore tbh.
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Can you not see the difference between these two things? Someone going out to exercise alone or with her family close to her house is not bad lmao. Yes it's breaking the rules, but there are scales of badness. I have no issue with someone who isn't interacting with anyone else leaving the house twice in a day.
Fastgirl154
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The whole paramedic/wheelchair thing is so wrong. It’s not normal to need a paramedic after running a race...collapsing and being out of breath etc. Sure that can happen, but needing serious medical attention?? Nah.
As someone part of the disabled community too - her whole i NeEdEd a whEeL cHaiR omG section is exploitative. Mobility aids aren’t a cool trendy thing for able bodied people to talk about like some unique and shocking experience. The way she titled that section ‘in a wheelchair!!! - not cool. Disabled folks get discriminated against for wheelchairs but when Holly needs it, it’s a sign of how much she pushed herself #wowhero and a fun clip with her sister laughing about it.
As someone part of the disabled community too - her whole i NeEdEd a whEeL cHaiR omG section is exploitative. Mobility aids aren’t a cool trendy thing for able bodied people to talk about like some unique and shocking experience. The way she titled that section ‘in a wheelchair!!! - not cool. Disabled folks get discriminated against for wheelchairs but when Holly needs it, it’s a sign of how much she pushed herself #wowhero and a fun clip with her sister laughing about it.
nissigossips
Well-known member
This is such a circular discussion, pretty boring now.
Yes, everyone thinks its fine to go to A&E if 111 advice you to.
But a 22 year old woman posting an attention seeking instagram story in A&E and then going silent (especially in the middle of a pandemic) is ridiculous.
Yes, everyone thinks its fine to go to A&E if 111 advice you to.
But a 22 year old woman posting an attention seeking instagram story in A&E and then going silent (especially in the middle of a pandemic) is ridiculous.
NotAnArtist
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If Holly is the one reading here... I can't quite believe I'm saying this, but Emily is *not* the cool, down-to-earth, free-spirited dude. Nailing a cancer research MA during a pandemic is infinitely cooler and absolutely means that those family members who lack such a degree can be told to shut the up, sit down, and listen closely.Proof that at least one of them is reading here - I said she lacked critical thinking skills yesterdayView attachment 929820
But also, for real... imagine wanting to go into science communication and sharing a home with the prime example of someone direly in need of decent science communication (actually, a lot of us can relate probably). Holly needs to move out and do her thing. A judgy, scrutinizing family that sets weirdly high expectations is one thing, having at least some of those people be conspiracy theorists makes it s much worse though.
Quick edit: The comment gives off low-key racist vibes, too. Because suuuuure, rich white Brits are definitely the petri dish of the world, it's not like white people have literally exploited people of color everywhere for their own medical pursuits. Give me a break.
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octoppus182
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She is incredibly immature, to the point where I forget she is an adult. Why basically say that it’s shit in a joking way when she’s literally been paid to advertise the product?
Honestly I cannot believe how unprofessional she is, like she really doesn’t deserve all these sponsorships because she can’t even act like a professional adult.
Things like this really highlight how little experience she has in the real world. People who have worked for others in real jobs know how important it is to remain professional about their work, whereas holly does not give a shit.
Honestly I cannot believe how unprofessional she is, like she really doesn’t deserve all these sponsorships because she can’t even act like a professional adult.
Things like this really highlight how little experience she has in the real world. People who have worked for others in real jobs know how important it is to remain professional about their work, whereas holly does not give a shit.
teflonpanda
Chatty Member
Holly's dad: *Knows that his daughter has suffered badly from an eating disorder for many years, to the point of getting serious health problems (no period for 7+ years), knows that his daughter has recently gotten better but probably still struggles with food and body image to some degree*
Holly's dad: *Sees his daughter making herself a nice healthy avocado toast for breakfast one morning*
Also Holly's dad: "Are you REally Going to EAT that??! Isn't it Weird to eat Avocado in the morning??"
I know we talk a lot about Holly's mom on here but omg what is wrong with this guy. How come every interaction he has with Holly is him being condescending/bitingly sarcastic/critical/belittling towards her?
But of course the real question is why Holly won't just move out already.. She is 23, she has two great degrees from world-class universities, she has her own business, probably lots of money from youtube etc, the pandemic is finally better, ... Like why not move out? Why not get some distance from that whole weird family dynamic?
Holly's dad: *Sees his daughter making herself a nice healthy avocado toast for breakfast one morning*
Also Holly's dad: "Are you REally Going to EAT that??! Isn't it Weird to eat Avocado in the morning??"
I know we talk a lot about Holly's mom on here but omg what is wrong with this guy. How come every interaction he has with Holly is him being condescending/bitingly sarcastic/critical/belittling towards her?But of course the real question is why Holly won't just move out already.. She is 23, she has two great degrees from world-class universities, she has her own business, probably lots of money from youtube etc, the pandemic is finally better, ... Like why not move out? Why not get some distance from that whole weird family dynamic?
Bellamerrell
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'I dont wanna use condoms because there is so much waste!' Ok love if you want to put your crazy sustainable vegan eco-friendly before your own sexual health but maybe just emphasise that condoms are very important in protecting from STI, unless you claim your vegan diet does that itself!
hippos.are.evil
Member
SHE'S LYING IN THE BINGE EATING VIDEO. She was already talking about "binging" on oats back when she was in Australia. Clearly, this is something she's struggled with for a long time now.
Like others believe, her "uncontrolled" appetite is probably her body begging her for more nutrition: Calories, fats and protein. And it makes so much more sense why she has lost weight recently. She believes she's recovered from what she calls bingeing, but she's just restricting more than ever.
Like others believe, her "uncontrolled" appetite is probably her body begging her for more nutrition: Calories, fats and protein. And it makes so much more sense why she has lost weight recently. She believes she's recovered from what she calls bingeing, but she's just restricting more than ever.
CatCafe234
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I have a long-held theory that Holly and her family are actually in Witness Protection and that’s why there‘s nothing in the house. That’s why they were so concerned about sharing their location ...